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Reagan Mourned in Former 'Evil Empire'
The Moscow Times ^ | Monday, June 7, 2004. | Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz

Posted on 06/10/2004 9:29:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Monday, June 7, 2004. Page 1.

Reagan Mourned in Former 'Evil Empire'By Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz
The Associated Press


AP

Reagan and Gorbachev saying farewell after talks in Reykjavik, Iceland, in 1986.

He stunned the Soviet Union with his tough rhetoric, calling it an "evil empire" whose leaders gave themselves the "right to commit any crime." His famed "Star Wars" program drew the Soviets into a costly arms race they couldn't afford. His 1987 declaration to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev at the Berlin Wall -- "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" -- was the ultimate challenge of the Cold War.

Ronald Reagan's determination to destroy communism and the Soviet Union was a hallmark of his eight-year presidency, carried out through a harsh nuclear policy toward Moscow that softened only slightly when Gorbachev came to office.

Reagan, who died Saturday at the age of 93, is vividly remembered in Russia today as the force that precipitated the Soviet collapse.

"Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal," said Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s.

Reagan's agenda toward Moscow started shortly after the start of his first term -- and marked a major departure from the mild detente of the Jimmy Carter administration.

In 1981, Reagan backed his rhetoric with a trillion dollar defense buildup. U.S.-Soviet arms control talks collapsed, and the two nations targeted intermediate-range nuclear missiles at each other across the Iron Curtain in Europe.

The deployment of the U.S. missiles in Europe rattled the Kremlin's nerves, because of the shorter time they needed to reach targets in the Soviet Union compared to intercontinental missiles deployed in the United States.

In an even bigger shock to the Kremlin, Reagan in 1983 launched an effort to build a shield against intercontinental ballistic missiles involving space-based weapons.

The Strategic Defense Initiative, or SDI, dubbed "Star Wars," dumped the previous doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction that assumed that neither side would start a nuclear war because it would not be able to avoid imminent destruction.

Even though Reagan's "Star Wars" never led to the deployment of an actual missile shield, it drew the Soviets into a costly effort to mount a response. Many analysts agree that the race drained Soviet coffers and triggered the economic difficulties that sped up the Soviet collapse in 1991.

"Reagan's SDI was a very successful blackmail," Gerasimov said in an interview. "The Soviet Union tried to keep up pace with the U.S. military buildup, but the Soviet economy couldn't endure such competition."

Gorbachev said Sunday he was distressed by Reagan's death.

"I take very hard the death of Ronald Reagan, a man whom by fate sat with me in perhaps the most difficult years at the end of the 20th century," Gorbachev told reporters at the Gorbachev Foundation, a non-governmental analytical institute that he has run since 1992.

Despite Reagan's often-forceful statements against the Soviet Union, Gorbachev said he also had a personal warmth that bolstered their relations. "In terms of human qualities, he and I had, you would say, communicativeness, and this helped us carry on normally," Gorbachev said.

"But when you talk about friendly relations in politics, it's not the friendship of schoolmates, of the Arbat," he said.

"I deem Ronald Reagan a great president, with whom the Soviet leadership was able to launch a very difficult but important dialogue," Gorbachev said earlier Sunday on Ekho Moskvy radio, Interfax reported.

Gorbachev was quoted as calling Reagan "a statesman who, despite all disagreements that existed between our countries at the time, displayed foresight and determination to meet our proposals halfway and change our relations for the better."

Gorbachev listed Reagan's accomplishments as helping to "stop the nuclear race, start scrapping nuclear weapons, and arrange normal relations between our countries."

"I do not know how other statesmen would have acted at that moment, because the situation was too difficult. Reagan, whom many considered extremely rightist, dared to make these steps, and this is his most important deed," he was quoted as saying.

Yelena Bonner, the widow of Soviet dissident Nobel Peace Prize winner Andrei Sakharov, praised Reagan for his tough course toward the Soviet Union.

"I consider Ronald Reagan one of the greatest U.S. presidents since the World War II because of his staunch resistance to communism and his efforts to defend human rights," Bonner said in a telephone interview from her home in Boston. "Reagan's policy was consistent and precise, and he had a great talent of choosing the right people for his administration." Former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, 61, remembered Reagan fondly for his humor and his toughness. "His phrase, 'evil empire,' became a household word in Russia," said Bukovsky, who now lives in Cambridge, England. "Russians like a straightforward person, be he enemy or friend. They despise a wishy-washy person."

Retired General Vladimir Dvorkin said that trying to field a response to Reagan's Star Wars had "certainly contributed" to the Soviet economic demise but argued it didn't play the decisive role.

"The Soviet economy was extremely inefficient and nothing could save it," said Dvorkin, a senior Soviet arms control negotiator during the 1980s.

But Bonner said her husband -- who had played a key role in designing Soviet nuclear weapons -- believed that deploying U.S. missiles in Europe was necessary to bring the Soviet rulers back to the arms control talks. In December 1987, Reagan and Gorbachev signed a treaty that for the first time eliminated the entire class of intermediate-range missiles.

"Reagan and Gorbachev helped end the Cold War," Gerasimov said.

Associated Press writer Gerald Nadler in New York contributed to this report.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coldwar; gorbachev; reagan; ronaldreagan; russia
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1 posted on 06/10/2004 9:29:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

when will the lefties learn that socialism and communism are prisons to those that love freedom.

the truely opressed get it, while comfortable american lefties dont


2 posted on 06/10/2004 9:34:30 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I never did hear about the Nobel Peace Prize that Ronald Reagan (at least should have) won. He saved the lives of and granted freedom to hundreds of millions of people (no exaggeration). How could he have been denied?


3 posted on 06/10/2004 9:34:59 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: dufekin
You are right.

The Nobel Peace Prize really lacks stature, IMHO.

4 posted on 06/10/2004 9:36:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Heh heh heh, yep Gorby helped end the cold war the same way a football helps kick itself through the uprights.

Thanks Gorby. Mr. President, have you ever heard such nonsense?


5 posted on 06/10/2004 9:36:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: dufekin

Nobel, Schmobel . . . they gave that thing to Arafat, it ain't worth shit now.


6 posted on 06/10/2004 9:37:20 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I remember something about some starwars "golden pebbles" or something program, of The Gipper's, that drove the Soviets nuts. I enjoyed them saying it in a Russian accent as their talking heads fulminated. Even if the whole program was ludicrous, the fact that the Soviets thought it might not be - was enough. Maybe it was all yet another brilliant disinformation campaign.
7 posted on 06/10/2004 9:37:32 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

it was no joke. NMD is the present day progression of starwars


8 posted on 06/10/2004 9:39:57 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: dufekin
I never did hear about the Nobel Peace Prize that Ronald Reagan (at least should have) won. He saved the lives of and granted freedom to hundreds of millions of people (no exaggeration). How could he have been denied?

The NPP being granted to Arafat, Carter, et al, should answer that question...

9 posted on 06/10/2004 9:41:19 PM PDT by JDoutrider (In God We Trust...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I find it amazing you can now get more objective reporting about our own President from the Moscow Times than the American press. It shows how significantly Reagan's Presidency changed the entire course of humanity.


10 posted on 06/10/2004 9:43:04 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Torie
That was Brilliant pebbles. I think that morphed into Low Earth Orbit Satellites which is on the slow road.
11 posted on 06/10/2004 9:44:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks. I was thinking after my post that maybe "shining pebbles" was closer to the actual name, so I was homing into accuracy, albeit slowly. :)


12 posted on 06/10/2004 9:47:16 PM PDT by Torie
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To: dufekin

The Norwegian Nobel Committee socialists are much like the French and American socialists, they give the Peace prize to people like Yassar Arafat because they don't want to let evil socialist/communist policies to be seen as evil.


13 posted on 06/10/2004 9:52:48 PM PDT by Stagerite
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Michael Blayhost?sp (a professor at John Hopkins) is just saying to a radio talkshow host about how Ronald Reagan's funeral is like that of a Roman Emperor that "symbolizes sacred figures" and that Reagan has become some kind of Diety - he thinks that even Chris Mathews is gushing too much. This professor goes on to say how the Roman's fell and how alike we are to them. He continues with how the problem with Empires are the need to galvanize people to do things a country we shouldn't do (I guess the Iraqi war). How much we are dependent on the big eagle <---the president, and how weak we are as a country. Then he goes on to talk about the Iran-contra and demonizes Ronald Reagan big time. Guess who he wants to fall?! and he teaches our kids!!! No wonder there's disunity in this country - we got the so-called pessimistic elitists like this dude speaking from his tenured glass tower and then there's the rest of us working slobs who continue to stay focussed and optimistic.


14 posted on 06/10/2004 9:56:24 PM PDT by chase19
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When Gorbechev went to the viewing, he leaned over the casket and said something to President Reagan. I wish I knew what he said.


15 posted on 06/10/2004 10:00:40 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: chase19
A tenuous and tendentious and superficial, and therefore, quite silly, analogy, in so many ways. For starters, the US spends about 3% of its GNP on "empire building" (I am just being polite in buying into the empire thingie, which in and of itself is also superficial, and a provocative word used in lieu of thought) - Rome spent maybe 50%, and much of that was financed by plunder. I won't go on.
16 posted on 06/10/2004 10:01:17 PM PDT by Torie
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To: microgood; Stillwaters
I find it amazing you can now get more objective reporting about our own President from the Moscow Times than the American press. It shows how significantly Reagan's Presidency changed the entire course of humanity.

Ping

17 posted on 06/10/2004 10:01:55 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

18 posted on 06/10/2004 10:03:01 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Stagerite

Was watching Chris Matthews this evening, and he said to one guest that Regan's popularity stopped at our borders.

Honest to God, I pitty someone that stupid.

Nicaragua, El Salvador, Poland & the Eastern Block, Russians, former Russians states who left the U.S.S.R., yep Chris quit school in the fourth grade.


19 posted on 06/10/2004 10:03:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TheOtherOne

Nobel, Schmobel . . . they gave that thing to Arafat, it ain't worth shit now.


LOL - how right you are - kinda like the French "oscar" - they gave it to Michael Moore, cos they hate us so much, for that reason it's worth shit - not only to Michael Moore - but anyone else ever again.


20 posted on 06/10/2004 10:03:51 PM PDT by chase19
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To: lonevoice

I like that picture and all it implies about both men!


21 posted on 06/10/2004 10:06:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19
Michael Blayhost?sp

BARF!!!

22 posted on 06/10/2004 10:07:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: microgood
I find it amazing you can now get more objective reporting about our own President from the Moscow Times than the American press. It shows how significantly Reagan's Presidency changed the entire course of humanity.

Best comment of the day, IMHO...

Nicely done!!

23 posted on 06/10/2004 10:08:15 PM PDT by TXnMA (Now back home in God's country...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Was watching Chris Matthews this evening, and he said to one guest that Regan's popularity stopped at our borders.

So you get what I mean when this professor said Chris Mathews on his gushing - this guy was so left he was falling off the precipice.

Wonder where all the actors were to pay him tribute. Lots of foreign leaders, boy scouts, 5,000 people men, woman & children an hour - NO ACTORS - except Arnold Schwartenegger.

Very sad!


24 posted on 06/10/2004 10:10:44 PM PDT by chase19
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To: TXnMA; microgood

Yes, excellent comment!


25 posted on 06/10/2004 10:12:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Maybe what Matthews meant is beyond our borders in those other nations secure in their democracy, protected by the American superpower fist, who have been so for sufficiently long, that they now view it as something sort of like a law of physics and an entitlement, and thus feel free to be self indulgent and feckless, and to spend almost nothing on their own defense, or carrying the load of defending democracy, putting aside those dollars they spend on their military as a government job program, as opposed to something that actually can perform in battle, which would move the characterization from almost nothing, to near nothing.


26 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: dufekin; chase19; BenLurkin; TheOtherOne; JDoutrider

Unfortunately I have the exact answer here. I once read an American conservative article that has investigated this phenomenon. The author discovered that the Nobel peace prize committee is aware of the "peace through strength" and the committee said that they WILL NOT award anything to someone who has achieved peace through this means, saying that this was "incompatible with the original disarmament ideals of Mr Nobel blah blah blah...".

So sorry, award for Kissinger, but never for Reagan. I now know that the Nobel peace prize commemorates has very little usefulness in the big real world.


27 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:56 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: NZerFromHK
At one point, at least, you could respect the persons who won.

I say again:

they gave that thing to Arafat, it ain't worth shit now.

28 posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:19 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: NZerFromHK

So they only award to those that achieve "Peace thru Weakness" ?

Hmmmm>


29 posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19

Come to think of it, I never saw Tommy boy out there. Perhaps I missed it. Nope, that 'liberal satan' and his 'evil Kennedy spawn' wife were the ones who showed up to pay Regan homage.

I hear you. That's okay, we don't need their kind. If they don't show up, it's no loss to me. It's just par for the course.

These folks may not show up because Nancy whould whop them up side the noggen.


30 posted on 06/10/2004 10:18:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: lonevoice
Another from the Moscow Times:

22 Russian Students Stranded in Florida ( Helped by small town )

31 posted on 06/10/2004 10:22:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: chase19

In a sense he was right. Unless you are very, very conservative in much of the non-US West that were not part of the former Soviet empire - i.e. Canada, Germany, New Zealand, Norway but not Czech Republic for instance (and not conservative enough to have fallen into the nationalist and anti-American Right), you will have sneered at Reagan's legacy.

I personally feel some American liberals feel the same but can't express their true feelings at public because they know doing so will make their political future toast - after all, they are in the United States! Foreign left-wingers (or "centrists") and the far-left Americans have no such inhibitions so they feel free to say what they truly think about Reagan.


32 posted on 06/10/2004 10:23:17 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yep, unfortunately this statement is right.


33 posted on 06/10/2004 10:24:49 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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This post of mine probably sounded like I was attempting to say that I didn't need Tom McClintock's kind. In truth I was thinking of the liberal entertainment folks. Sorry for the inadvertant implication.


34 posted on 06/10/2004 10:25:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: NZerFromHK
The author discovered that the Nobel peace prize committee is aware of the "peace through strength" and the committee said that they WILL NOT award anything to someone who has achieved peace through this means, saying that this was "incompatible with the original disarmament ideals of Mr Nobel blah blah blah...".

How ironic that Nobel's goal in life was to achieve peace by creating a weapon so powerful that nobody would dare to use it.

35 posted on 06/10/2004 10:34:34 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: dufekin
I never did hear about the Nobel Peace Prize that Ronald Reagan (at least should have) won. He saved the lives of and granted freedom to hundreds of millions of people (no exaggeration). How could he have been denied?

The Nobel Peace Prize jumped the shark a long time ago.

36 posted on 06/10/2004 10:35:49 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Tailgunner Joe; doug from upland

fyi


37 posted on 06/10/2004 10:48:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
Related item:

Ronald Reagan's Secret Anti-Soviet War

38 posted on 06/10/2004 10:52:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NZerFromHK

But they take extreme care to never spout ther anti-USA views up close and personally.


39 posted on 06/10/2004 10:54:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (Sometimes, I wish liberals had beliefs, so I could desecrate them. (spok))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Russians like a straightforward person, be he enemy or friend. They despise a wishy-washy person."

Carter - Reagan

Kerry - Bush

Interesting study in contrasts.

40 posted on 06/10/2004 10:55:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: lonevoice
Thanks for the pic.

Two soulmates, one last touch.

41 posted on 06/10/2004 11:04:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let`s not forget how the lefties were screaming bloody hell when all this was going on, especially the OJ of the Senate, killer Ted Kennedy, something he is doing all over again to this day. My apologies to Freepers from Mass. but I would say you have a tremendous problem with the idiots up there who keep re-electing that sick bastard. I mean he`s only been Senator for over 40 freggin years, and in 40 years the people of Mass still can`t find one guy more suitable than that nut!?? This time he`s even worse because now he directs his rantings to the world against his own country, if you can call the US his own country anymore. "The Iraq war is a farce" Just lovely Teddy, that should get us some help. A guy who kills a woman and gets away with it, is a full blown alcoholic and is nothing short of a traitor..Yeah, this guy should be in the Senate. Holy sh*t!


42 posted on 06/10/2004 11:06:19 PM PDT by stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims (I`m still waiting for the protests against terrorism.)
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To: Askel5
He out-Russianed the Russians.

Not too shabby.

43 posted on 06/10/2004 11:12:34 PM PDT by nunya bidness ( You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.)
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To: nunya bidness

C-SPAN is showing a neat session titled the Life of Reagan,.. peggy noonan is talking right now, Ed meese spoke earlier.


44 posted on 06/10/2004 11:19:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: sarasmom

I agree. Doing so will mean their election chance is toast.


45 posted on 06/10/2004 11:22:53 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: chase19
That's the kind of guy who doesn't want people to mention that before Rome's fall... the men were spending way too much time drinking lead-tainted wine and peeking under each other's togas to run their empire.
46 posted on 06/10/2004 11:32:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump.


47 posted on 06/10/2004 11:57:32 PM PDT by ambrose (President Bush on Reagan: "His Work is Done and Now a Shining City Awaits Him")
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To: TheOtherOne
Nobel, Schmobel . . . they gave that thing to Arafat, it ain't worth shit now.

And Jimmuh Carter, the Great Failure. Democrats cradle and nurture failure, and detest success. Jimmuh Carter fudged around with Iran for 4 months. A day into his term as President, Reagan announced the hostages were free and coming home.

48 posted on 06/11/2004 1:43:53 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (John Kerry: An old creep, with gray hair, trying to look like he's 30 years old.)
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To: JDoutrider

The massive outpouring of respect and love for this great man is much more rewarding than that POS Nobel Prize.


49 posted on 06/11/2004 2:10:18 AM PDT by Levante
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To: Torie

brilliant pebbles?


50 posted on 06/11/2004 3:05:58 AM PDT by hershey
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