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Military Bases in Germany
New York Times ^ | June 14, 2004 | Editorial

Posted on 06/14/2004 6:34:32 AM PDT by OESY

The Pentagon is proposing sharp cuts in U.S. forces in Germany, which for more than half a century has been America's biggest military outpost in Europe. It's a bad idea, particularly at a time when the United States is struggling to rebuild its relations with its NATO allies.

Washington is hoping to cut its military presence in Germany — a little more than 70,000 soldiers — roughly in half. Two heavy divisions now based there, and the soldiers' families, would return to the United States. They would be replaced by a much smaller light combat brigade, while other units would be rotated in and out, at considerable cost, for short-term exercises. The Air Force is also thinking of moving some of its F-16 fighter jets from Germany to Turkey, where they would be closer to Middle East trouble spots but subject to restrictions by the host government.

The large American military presence in Germany has long symbolized the understanding at the heart of NATO — Washington's commitment to remain permanently engaged in Europe's security and to integrate its military operations with those of its major European allies. Recent history has only reinforced how important that relationship is to the United States. NATO is the only alliance capable of sharing some of the global military burdens that have now overstretched America's ground forces.

Many Germans, remembering Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's scornful "old Europe" put-downs of their country last year, will see these withdrawals, and the accompanying German job losses, as payback for Berlin's diplomatic opposition to the invasion of Iraq. Washington denies that. But the Pentagon does seem to have a growing preference for stationing troops either at home or on the territories of allies ready to embrace President Bush's notions of unilateral preventive war.

Despite its criticisms of the Iraq war, Germany imposed no restrictions on the use of American bases during that conflict. It continues to deploy thousands of German soldiers to protect those bases, freeing American troops for other uses. Berlin also contributes $1 billion a year to the bases' support. Economically, the plan to bring the soldiers home is a loser.

The German bases have other advantages as well. They are much closer to the Middle East and Central Asia than bases in the United States and are in a safe country with a stable democracy and the modern conveniences that make life easier for troops on long tours overseas. Soldiers stationed there have access to a variety of training exercises and can enjoy down time with their families. The American military hospital at Ramstein Air Base, the largest outside the United States, provides specialized care for battlefield casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan as it did for those from Bosnia, Kosovo and the U.S.S. Cole.

There is nothing sacrosanct about maintaining particular Army divisions in Germany. The role of American military forces there has evolved considerably over the decades — from occupying a defeated enemy to deterring Warsaw Pact aggression to symbolizing Washington's post-cold-war commitment to remain militarily engaged in Europe. Along the way, the size of the American presence has evolved as well. In the nearly 15 years since the Berlin Wall fell, United States force levels in Germany have dropped by roughly 75 percent. Further reductions should not be ruled out. But the Pentagon's current plans are unduly drastic, unfortunately timed and suspiciously motivated.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bases; brac; military; militarybases; nato
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To: OESY
It is telling that the objections that the NY Times musters against this are (1) political, and (2) economic. The truth is that we are attempting to overcome an overreliance on both of those factors that has existed in the past with regard to military deployment, and it isn't an easy thing to do. Many of those bases were placed where they were (as they have been in the United States as well) for reasons other than military utility.

But these are luxuries we can no longer afford. These redeployments are NOT being done to punish anyone despite the Times' persistent efforts to blame this and everything else on Bush. They have been on the drawing board since the Reagan administration.

51 posted on 06/14/2004 11:27:51 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: OESY
such moves will have depressant effect on the morale of military families, absent soldier-family separation as a consequence of deployment

I was a military brat, and aware of the prestige and the Plum posting that Europe was for families.

But it is now a decade since the end of the Cold War, and we have other priorities.

It is the military's mission to respond to those priorities.

Good military families will have good morale. And they will buck up and do their duty whereever their men are posted.

52 posted on 06/14/2004 12:36:16 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: OESY
We should move ALL US troops OUT of Germany. What's the point of keeping them there? The Cold war is over and now the Germans can take care of themselves.
53 posted on 06/14/2004 12:50:27 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Redbob

Inside every German is a Nazi dying to come out.


54 posted on 06/14/2004 12:52:24 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Baumholder, Gelnhausen, Butzbach, and some NATO sites up north. And those are just places I was stationed, actually got to see a bit more of the country side than that, including Hohenfels, Graf, and a lot of other places along the way.


55 posted on 06/14/2004 12:57:29 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO city...)
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To: OESY

The Pentagon is proposing sharp cuts in U.S. forces in Germany

FINALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


56 posted on 06/14/2004 1:01:11 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: OESY

The large American military presence in Germany has long symbolized the understanding at the heart of NATO —

...the understanding that the USA will bail our butts out if the commies show up coming throught the pass.
What the he!! has NATO done for us ?

Let em cover their own defense expenses and quit bleeding us for it.


57 posted on 06/14/2004 1:03:37 PM PDT by sawmill trash (NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!! NADER !!!)
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To: OESY

The Socialists at the New York Times are sure quick to support their fellow Socialists running Germany.


58 posted on 06/16/2004 9:25:03 AM PDT by RJL
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To: Eagle Eye
"...got to see a bit more of the country side than that, including Hohenfels, Graf, and a lot of other places along the way."

And don't forget Wildflecken ... the only place in the world where it didn't matter which direction you were walking, it was always uphill.

59 posted on 06/16/2004 9:29:39 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I was at Merrill Barracks, Nuernberg....

When were you at Merrill, I was there 79-82 with the 116th Ord. Co. Regards!

60 posted on 02/01/2005 3:14:48 PM PST by Bayou City
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To: OESY

Good move, this is why they hate Rumsfeld. Poland is a much better place to have to have troops.


61 posted on 02/01/2005 3:18:28 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Bayou City

Just to point out an error in the Slimes.
Ramstein doesn't have a large hospital.
Ramstein is an air base, the Hospital is Army located in Landstuhl.
While geographically close, I would bet that the Army wouldn't like it's facility to be called Ramstein Hospital?


62 posted on 02/01/2005 3:30:27 PM PST by americanbychoice2
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To: Bayou City

Oct 83 - Aug 84 HHT 2nd ACR


63 posted on 02/01/2005 11:03:57 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Kandahar Airfield -- “We’re not on the edge of the world, but we can see it from here")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

"The American military hospital at Ramstein Air Base, the largest outside the United States, provides specialized care for battlefield casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan as it did for those from Bosnia, Kosovo and the U.S.S. Cole."

The "Slimes" need to check their facts: 1)Landstuhl is not at Ramstein it is near Ramstein 2) It is not on the list to be closed.


65 posted on 05/16/2005 4:36:11 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Wolle

Struck a nerve. Huh?


66 posted on 05/16/2005 4:42:13 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The noisiest people in the libraries these days are the librarians. (battlegearboat))
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To: happygrl
I was a military brat, and aware of the prestige and the Plum posting that Europe was for families.

I was fortunate to be stationed on two AF bases during my tour in Germany: Hahn & Spangdahlem (77-81). I don't recall anybody in my unit, or anybody who I knew, saying that these were "plum" assignments. The military was a step-child during the Carter years, and was going through the pain of establishing an all-volunteer force.

I loved Germany...but I was a bachelor, too, with no wife or family to care for. I didn't have any problems with weekly/twice weekly Staff Duty Officer, where I was on-site for 24 hours straight. I was also able to enjoy the challenge of being in the Wing Command Post for 4 days straight during alerts, because I was one of two officers in my unit with the requisite security clearance. The Battery Commander was the other, and he had his share of pressing duties.

Plum assignment? I don't think so, but I have many great memories: living near the Mosel River for 3 years (Traben-Trarbach), the summer of 79 (3 months TDY at Todendorf Anti-Aircraft Range), monthly visits to Eduard Kroth Winery in Zell, and being invited to sit at the "stammtisch" of my neighborhood gasthaus, to name but a few.

However, our defense needs have changed, and it's time to reduce our presence in areas where's it's not needed, such as Germany.

67 posted on 05/16/2005 5:59:44 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: Stagerite
***she told me that she'd been taught in Germany that WW-II German POWs were mistreated in America.***

If they were sent to the POW camp in Louisiana, then I guess they probably do think they were mistreated between the heat, redbugs, ticks, and snakes. :o) My father's family lived on the outskirts of that camp and they told stories of seeing them marching around and singing their German songs.

68 posted on 05/16/2005 8:11:46 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: OESY

I had a good experience in Paris back in 2000. The Parisians on the street were friendly and helpful. I had been dreading my stay there based on what I had heard about them. Other European travels I found them to be the same with the exception of older Germans at different resorts - they had quite the attitude - guess you could call them the "Ugly Germans". I've not been back to Europe since 9/11 happened - matter of fact my passport expired last year.


69 posted on 05/16/2005 8:22:38 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: Night Hides Not
You served during the worst years for the condition of our military and the economy.

I was referring to a previous era, when the dollar was strong, and military families lived well in Europe and enjoyed the great experiences that you also have as memories.

Believe me, during the 1960s, families were excited to hear that they were being posted to Europe.

70 posted on 05/21/2005 12:54:20 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Michael81Dus
Hey, Michael I like your choice of Kanzler-Adenauer was a fine Kanzler, so was von Bismark.
When I was living in Goettingen some were in between Kassel and Hann-Muenden, I was/am member to the same Partei CDU/CSU and Franz Josef Strauss was my main man.

Boy Franz Josef was kicking Willi Brand's butt. SPD back then was a very powerful Partei.
I can not believe that Joschka Fisher of Die Gruennen is the aussenminister! That guy is verrueckt!

What's the price of a liter of benzin in Deutchland?

71 posted on 05/21/2005 2:15:32 PM PDT by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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