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Pirates should be shot on sight: Jakarta navy chief
The Straits Times ^ | June 18,2004 | AFP, AP

Posted on 06/18/2004 6:59:54 PM PDT by bunkerhill7

Pirates should be shot on sight: Jakarta navy chief June 18, 2004 JAKARTA - Pirates who launch armed attacks in Indonesian waters should be shot on sight without mercy, Indonesia's navy chief said yesterday.

'There is a legal basis for this. We are merely defending ourselves if they attack first,' Antara news agency quoted Admiral Bernard Kent Sondakh as saying. Advertisement

'If they are caught alive, they would only get, at the most, three months in jail. After that, they go pirating again,' he told reporters after presenting special citations to 24 crew members of a Navy ship.

The 24 were commended for thwarting pirates who hijacked and took hostage 36 people on board a tanker in waters off Berhala Island in North Sumatra province last Saturday.

Indonesia has the world's worst piracy record, with 21 reported attacks in the first three months of this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau.

Spurning suggestions by the United States that its forces could be used to guard the Malacca Straits, Admiral Sondakh also proposed a joint task force to guard the busy waterway.

The task force would involve Singaporean and Malaysian forces to guard the 900km waterway, one of the world's busiest shipping channels, the navy chief said.

'All this time we have had good cooperation with Malaysia and Singapore.

'If the task force is established, automatically security in the Malacca Straits will be strengthened,' said Admiral Sondakh.

He also said Indonesian officials will meet their Malaysian counterparts on June 27 to discuss increasing security in the narrow straits. A date has yet to be set for talks with Singapore's officials.

Admiral Sondakh said outside forces could help by providing intelligence, equipment or expertise.

About a third of the world's trade and 80 per cent of Japan's crude oil from the Middle East ply the 900km narrow corridor between ports in East Asia, Europe and the Middle East.

In March, a top US admiral sparked a controversy when he suggested that US Marines' special forces personnel in high-speed vessels could be deployed to help patrol the waterway.

Indonesia and Malaysia - who are wary of infringements on their territorial sovereignty - have repeatedly rebuffed US offers to deploy troops to the region.

On the other hand, Singapore says it is open to American involvement in security in the straits. -- AFP, AP


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: asia; indonesia; malaysia; maritime; pirates; southeastasia
Shoot first, ask questions later
1 posted on 06/18/2004 6:59:55 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: bunkerhill7
>>Pirates who launch armed attacks in Indonesian waters should be shot on sight without mercy, Indonesia's navy chief said yesterday.

Amen. Any terrorist should suffer the same fate. Do it to them before they do it to us.
2 posted on 06/18/2004 7:01:50 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Michael Moore is to movies as Dr. Josef Mengele was to medicine.)
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To: bunkerhill7
Pirates should be shot on sight:

Hell yeah.

3 posted on 06/18/2004 7:02:10 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: bunkerhill7

I understand that piracy is a big problem in that part of the world. If it works, do it.


4 posted on 06/18/2004 7:04:32 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: bunkerhill7

the way things are going it would be better to shoot than arrest them, since being a prisoner , kept warm and fed free meals 3 times a day now days amounts to abuse not accepted by international law.


6 posted on 06/18/2004 7:17:33 PM PDT by seastay
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To: Keith in Iowa

makes sense to me/


7 posted on 06/18/2004 7:38:47 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: bunkerhill7
Indonesia has the world's worst piracy record, with 21 reported attacks in the first three months of this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau..

Would someone explain how a 40,000 ton tanker can be robbed by rag tag pirates in dinky scows? Why don't they get everyone below decks and go at flank speed?

8 posted on 06/18/2004 7:39:55 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: bunkerhill7

I might even shoot before I see them.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 7:51:39 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: bunkerhill7
"A pirate, an outlaw, or a common enemy to all mankind, may be put to death at any time. It is justified by the laws of nature and nations."

Patrick Henry

10 posted on 06/18/2004 7:53:34 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Would because the pirates had guns and the tanker crew did not be a reason?


11 posted on 06/18/2004 8:00:22 PM PDT by sport (bttt)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
Would someone explain how a 40,000 ton tanker can be robbed by rag tag pirates in dinky scows? Why don't they get everyone below decks and go at flank speed?

Why aren't tankers armed and crews trained to repel boarders?

12 posted on 06/18/2004 8:00:32 PM PDT by toddst
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

The majority of pirate attacks occur while a ship is at anchor in a harbor.


13 posted on 06/18/2004 8:02:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( aka Gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: bunkerhill7
Yikes, an extreme response to a nine-game losing streak (especially now that they've snapped it)!

14 posted on 06/18/2004 8:04:18 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: toddst
Why aren't tankers armed and crews trained to repel boarders?

Most of the companies instruct the crews not to resist figuring it's safer. Seems dumb. There's quite a lot on modern-day piracy on the web, I haven't read any of the articles recently.

15 posted on 06/18/2004 8:06:53 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Travis McGee

ping


16 posted on 06/18/2004 8:09:43 PM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: dr_who_2
I understand that piracy is a big problem in that part of the world

Yes...it's very bad. Teams of less than 10 are taking whole cargo ships and tankers, killing the crew, and disappearing.
17 posted on 06/18/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: bunkerhill7
Pirate reports from this month alone:

06 June 2004 at 0200 LT in posn 03:55.1N - 098:47.1E, Belawan anchorage, Indonesia -- 4 pirates armed with guns & knives boarded tanker at forecastle. 2/O raised alarm. Robbers stole ship's stores & escaped. (Fri. June 11 2004)

04 June 2004 at 2115 LT at Salaverry anchorage, Peru. -- 4 pirates attempted to board general cargo ship via anchor chain. Alert crew spotted them & raised alarm. Pirates aborted attempt-- fled in boat. Port control informed. (Fri. June 11 2004)

04 June 2004 at 0340 UTC in posn 04:58.5N - 098:41.2E, Malacca Straits. Pirates in small boat fired upon an offshore support vessel underway. Alert crew mustered & activated fire hoses. Pirates aborted attempt & fled. Ship's bridge windows were damaged. No injuries to crew. (Fri. June 11 2004)

01 June 2004 at 2325 LT in posn 01:12N - 104:50E, east of Bintan island, Indonesia -- 7 pirates in black rubber boat approached livestock carrier ship underway & came very close near stern. Alert A/B raised alarm, crew mustered, switched on deck lights & directed searchlights. Boat aborted attempt & fled. (Fri. June 11 2004)
18 posted on 06/18/2004 8:14:32 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: bunkerhill7
Wouldn't it be tempting to apply the same attitude in dealing with those who have PIRATED the law and the constitution?

Let's apply this to the ACLU while we're at it.

19 posted on 06/18/2004 8:19:05 PM PDT by joe_broadway (Gird up your loins like a man. If you are indeed a man.)
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To: Anoreth; CarolinaScout

pirates


20 posted on 06/18/2004 8:29:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A rifle without ammunition is just a stick.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik; sport; Strategerist
Historically, the pirates in this area do not harm the crew unless it resists. I don't know if that has changed, although the article suggests that it hasn't. The pirates want you alive 1. to crew the ship, and 2. to avoid murder charges. The advantage is theirs, anyway--and the sharks eat the evidence. As a ship's master, you yourself would believe that arming your crew is a bad idea, seeing that you usually don't know them, and rarely speak their language. Also, the number of guards you'd have to post in order to properly defend your ship would be far too expensive, as is operating your ship at top speed. Furthermore, these ships are not that fast to begin with . . . any decent speedboat can overtake a tanker or freighter.

Finally, one low-tech method to seize a ship on the high seas is to place two dhows (or whatnot) with a line stretched between them perpendicular to the target ship's course. As the target ship strikes the line, it pulls taut and draws the two pirate vessels abeam (one on each side). From there it is a simple matter to clamber aboard. At best, the target ship has two or three crew on the bridge. Seize them, and send accomplices to Engineering and the crew's quarters to inform them that there's a new captain. Piece of cake if you know what you're doing.

21 posted on 06/18/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: toddst; SnuffaBolshevik; Rebelbase

weekly_piracy_report

http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/imb_piracy/weekly_piracy_report.asp

Maps_2003

http://www.iccwbo.org/ccs/news_archives/2004/images/piracy_2003/Maps_2003.asp


22 posted on 06/18/2004 8:46:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( GET READY!!..-> http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
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To: toddst; SnuffaBolshevik; Rebelbase

Notice that piracy doesn't occur in the US or Australia? Hmm Wonder why? LOL


23 posted on 06/18/2004 8:50:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( GET READY!!..-> http://www.ready.gov/get_a_kit.html)
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To: seastay
Let's not forget the most crucial part of this report:

Pirates who launch armed attacks in Indonesian waters should be shot on sight without mercy, Indonesia's navy chief said yesterday.

"There is a legal basis for this. We are merely defending ourselves if they attack first," Antara news agency quoted Admiral Bernard Kent Sondakh as saying.

"If they are caught alive, they would only get, at the most, three months in jail. After that, they go pirating again," he told reporters after presenting special citations to 24 crew members of a Navy ship.

Read that last paragraph again, and you'll discover exactly why Indonesia is such a pirate haven.

And let us not forget, some of these pirates are al-Qaida.

24 posted on 06/18/2004 8:52:26 PM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Kill ,em, gut 'em and mutilate 'em. But for God's sake, DON'T BLINDFOLD THEM AND PUT PANTIES ON THEIR HEADS!


25 posted on 06/18/2004 8:56:11 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Shot on sight? SHIVER ME TIMBERS!

26 posted on 06/18/2004 9:08:42 PM PDT by Lockbar
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To: bunkerhill7
Hopefully, Indonesia will NOT allow America to get involved in the Starights. Our track record [with terrorists and illegal immigrants] is one of appeasement, release and failure.

I think their idea of "shooting on sight" is much better than our version of "justice."

27 posted on 06/19/2004 6:36:05 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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