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Feinstein Gun Ban Could Come up in the Senate Next Week
Gun Owners of America ^ | July 1, 2004

Posted on 07/02/2004 10:02:42 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo

On Tuesday, the Senate is scheduled to begin consideration of legislation to limit class action lawsuits -- a prime candidate for so-called liberal "killer amendments," including the Feinstein amendment to extend the ban on semiautomatic firearms and magazines.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has threatened to offer her semi-auto ban to any "appropriate" legislative vehicle, and the class action bill is about as "appropriate" as any on the Senate's legislative schedule.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) has, at his disposal, a variety of parliamentary techniques to prevent Feinstein from offering the semiautomatic ban. Back in March, he chose NOT to use these parliamentary maneuvers during the debacle over the ill-fated gun makers' protection act.

The debate over this pro-gun bill resulted in a free-for-all which led to killer amendments being added to the bill -- amendments like the Feinstein gun ban.

GOA is urging Frist to learn from his mistakes and to use his leadership office to insure that the Feinstein amendment is not offered to S. 2062.

America is at a crossroads on the Second Amendment. If the pro-gun community can succeed in killing the extension of the semi-auto ban (due to expire on September 13) we will have inflicted a serious blow on the anti-gun zealots -- a blow from which they will not soon recover.

If, on the other hand, Feinstein is successful in forcing her amendment to the president's desk, Bush has indicated that he will sign the ban -- and the pro-gun community will be on the defensive and facing the anti-gunners' next priority: a comprehensive gun registration scheme.

ACTION: Please contact Senate Majority Leader Frist. Tell him to use whatever parliamentary tools are necessary to block consideration of the Feinstein semi-auto ban -- particularly as an amendment to the class action bill.

You can call Senator Frist at (202) 224-3344, or go to http://www.frist.senate.gov and select "Contact Senator Frist" under the "About Senator Frist" heading to send a message similar to the one below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator Frist:

America is at a crossroads. If we are successful in blocking the Feinstein semiautomatic ban, we will have inflicted a major blow to the anti-gun community -- a blow from which it will not soon recover.

Therefore, we would urge you to use any parliamentary tools at your disposal to prevent this amendment from being offered -- particularly to the class action bill. Thank you.

Sincerely,


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To: William Tell

"Any Republican who would support a bill outlawing an otherwise legal rifle due to the presence of a bayonet lug, deserves no support from gun owners. Ever. The appearance of a Republican majority is of no use to gun owners if that majority includes people who would infringe the right to keep and bear arms."

I have been wondering why FReepers who know a lot about war haven't been making the point that war is happening on our own soil.

Lee Malmo, John Mohammed, the cells busted in Seattle, Portland, OR, and various other places are events in addition to
9-11. War is here.

We have to tell our political and cultural betters that we are going to need at least semi-automatic weapons in easy reach of all patriotic citizens everywhere. The others already have their weapons, have actually used them, and their numbers continually grow.

Frankly, I'd like my friends and neighbors to at least match the firepower of the terrorists amongst us.

We have a story to tell, and we're not doing it. I've been doing this for years now. At first I was insulted and ridiculed. Today the ridicule has markedly diminished.

Persuade first the choir, then the undecideds, that we need all the freedom to obtain our firepower right here at home, right in our home.


51 posted on 07/03/2004 10:27:25 AM PDT by doxteve
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To: Mr. Mojo

BTTT


52 posted on 07/03/2004 11:29:13 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce.)
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To: o_zarkman44

Yep.


53 posted on 07/03/2004 12:23:23 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Let them ban whatever they would like....it won't matter...

There are only like 200 million semi automatic weapons out there right now....there isnt a chance in hell they would ever get them all....it would create a black market like we have never even seen before.


54 posted on 07/03/2004 1:04:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Since this witch is my rep, a call from me may have more weight. Of course, I won't use my screen name.


55 posted on 07/03/2004 1:04:57 PM PDT by Feiny (I can resist anything but temptation.)
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To: FairOpinion
And why not?

Because the vast majority of the R's are RINO's and part of the NWO along with the D's. There ain't a dime's worth of difference except in the presention.

Constitution Party next time.

56 posted on 07/03/2004 1:16:02 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

The previous bill failed to pass muster in the Senate because of all the amendments.....people changed their votes to no at the urging of the NRA.

I think, even if Frist doesn't stop the riders from being attached, we will be fine. Enough Republicans would vote no that it would not pass if all the additions were made. That said, we should still contact Frist and tell him to make sure she doesn't add the rider.


57 posted on 07/03/2004 1:25:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: palmer

yikes.

Does he realize that the reason why they aren't used in crimes as much is that they are ILLEGAL? It doesn't mean we are any safer just because they are used in crimes less.

This stat only shows the decrease of assault weapons as a correlation to the ban, not a decrease in crime altogether due to it. So, how can he claim it makes us safer?

The criminals are just using pistols instead of assault weapons.


58 posted on 07/03/2004 1:30:20 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: datura
She is a beauty!
59 posted on 07/03/2004 1:45:03 PM PDT by Colonel Jim
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To: rwfromkansas
I actually doubt very much those so called statistics are correct anyway.

I am sure there have been several studies which showed so called "assault rifles" are used in so few crimes as to be statistically insignificant.

Any increase or decrease in their use in crime would be of such small numbers as to not be useful in a real scientific study.

60 posted on 07/03/2004 1:53:57 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mr. Mojo

Frist? Actually support conservatives? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!


61 posted on 07/03/2004 4:23:30 PM PDT by steveegg (The FReepathon is on the air again - donate early and often (monthly is best))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Why not mention one the very first, if not the first, Supreme Court Decision affirming the Second Amendment as an individual right - the Dred Scott decision?


62 posted on 07/03/2004 8:52:23 PM PDT by Redbob (holding out for the 'self-illuminating, glass-bottomed parking lot' solution to the Iraq problem)
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To: jmstein7

PING!!!


63 posted on 07/03/2004 8:53:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: adam_az; gdc61

There's nothing like strong convictions...


64 posted on 07/03/2004 9:33:17 PM PDT by Critter (...an online gathering place for sissy boy, girlie men, nanny staters.)
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To: steveegg
Frist? Actually support conservatives? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh come on now,let's have some hope.

Fairy tales can come true

They can happen to you

When your foe's not true

I'll try to finish this Limerick.

65 posted on 07/04/2004 1:40:55 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: take

"What is a PATRIOT?"
PATRIOTS are not "Revolutionaries" trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are "Counter-Revolutionaries" trying to prevent the government of the United States from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author


66 posted on 07/04/2004 4:24:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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To: neverdem

bttt


67 posted on 07/04/2004 6:42:45 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Well it's separating the wheat from the chaff and the wolves from the sheep...time


68 posted on 07/04/2004 8:10:05 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Joe Brower
It's no use in bringing this up to either of my Senators, Chris Dodd is one of the a-holes cosponsoring Fineswines bill...I've sent him two letters, one an automatic formatted letter via NRA-ILA and another personally written letter. The only one I've gotten a response to was the auto-format one...sad, really.

BTTT!

69 posted on 07/04/2004 9:40:58 AM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: MikeinIraq

God bless you and all your comrades in U.S. uniforms. Happy Fourth of July!!!!


70 posted on 07/04/2004 10:02:25 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Eastbound

That's an interesting analysis to explain a do-nothing except pork barrel Congress. Say a prayer that it backfires on the rats come Election Day. Happy Fourth of July!!!!


71 posted on 07/04/2004 10:14:06 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Happy Fourth of July to you too, neverdem. Yes, let's hope the gun issue bites the dems this time around too. Apparently the lesson Gore learned in 2000 is going to be lost on Kerry and the rest of the democrappers.


72 posted on 07/04/2004 10:33:52 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: steveegg; All
Fairy tales can come true
They can happen to you
When your foe's not true
Disregarding everything
While they'd like to kill you

Stay safe

Happy Fourth of July!!!!

73 posted on 07/04/2004 10:47:37 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Sola Veritas

Agreed a 1 mile + range is a serious headache for body guards also the fact that there ain't concealed body armor that will stop a .50 BMG has gotta make the crooked politicians just a little nervous . Even if they are in a armored limo too.


74 posted on 07/04/2004 12:15:06 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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To: rwfromkansas

Actually you can buy a semi auto version of the AK-47 for less than $400.00 with pre-ban standard capacity magazines.

The reason they are rarely used in crimes is that they are hard to carry concealed, are extremely loud without hearing protection,akward to use in confined spaces(inside a car), weigh 7-10 lbs.

Or in real simple terms they are to much of a hassle & were used in only 2% of crimes before the ban & even less now not because of the ban, but simply due the fact that they are akward for the punks to use.


75 posted on 07/04/2004 12:38:49 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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To: Joe Brower

No more banning of guns. We've had too many banned already! How about banning liberals?


76 posted on 07/04/2004 1:34:12 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: Mr. Mojo

I'm convinced there is a core of liberals in our country who are actively working to destroy it so they can put in a dictatorship and one of the ways they will get that power will be to first disarm all of us.


77 posted on 07/04/2004 1:36:15 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: Critter

yes convictions are a heavy burdon when voting for someone who steps on them.


78 posted on 07/04/2004 2:50:54 PM PDT by gdc61
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To: Mr. Mojo

bump


79 posted on 07/04/2004 5:40:17 PM PDT by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: FairOpinion
The Dems always use every possible tactic and maneuver,the Republicans virtually never do. That's why the Dems are more successful in either pushing their agenda through, or stopping ours, even with the Republican leadership. It's time for the Republicans to wake up and fight fire with fire.

You assume that the Republicans really see themselves as engaged in opposing the Democrats, rather than having the job of maintaining a fiction that there is actually an opposing political party while making sure that no Dem initiative is ever rolled back

80 posted on 07/04/2004 7:24:39 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: take

"Five or more people killed in a shooting at Kansas meatpacking plant, police say"

Got a link? Thanks.


81 posted on 07/04/2004 8:07:51 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Ref your: "Anyone who actually reads AND understands the 2nd Amendment will see that there is no need or authority for any type of gun registration and there is no need for anyone to have to apply for a license to carry a gun."

This is true, but, due to the Overwhelming ability of the USA Courts and Politicians to use our Tax Dollars to bankrupt anybody who dares to exercise the "RIGHT", it is totally impractical for individual citizens to fight the current system under which we, as citizens are progressively reclaiming our RIGHTS.

Reference our Web Site: Ohioans for Concealed Carry
http://www.ofcc.net/

which has been successful and largely responsible for converting Ohio to a Concealed Carry State.

The Constitutionally Protected Rights were taken away by the Judicial Branch and the Legislature and the Executive Branch over the past 228 years, and we are making great progress over the past 12 years at reclaiming our rights, largely due to the power of the Internet and sites such as FreeRepublic.com.

On September 25, 2003, the Ohio Supreme Court declared that the State had the power to ban "Hidden Guns" since the citizens had another way (Open Carry) to exercise their right to carry firearms as spelled out in the Ohio Constitution, not to mention the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. The Supreme Court Justices laughed at the "Low Life" citizens who would consider such a thing as openly carrying firearms, but they were WRONG. We seized upon their words in "Klein vs. Leis" to declare Ohio as "OHIO CARRY" State and many of us began Openly Carrying our Firearms, participating in state-wide Open Carry "DEFENSE WALKS" while carefully still complying with the laws against carrying loaded firearms in our cars. We then leveraged this "Ohio Carry" to get the Ohio HB12 passed and even signed by RINO Governor Taft on January 7, 2004 for implementation on 8-APR-2004.

Now, holding our OH, FL, and PA CHL's we can choose many states in the USA where our Vacation and Business Travel Dollars are welcome and we can largely avoid the rest!

Now, you can wait for the 2nd Amendment to actually get re-established by citing references to Thomas Jefferson, but I guarantee that that has not worked, except as motivation to individuals in groups like Ohioans For Concealed Carry all over this great nation to, brick by brick, remove the barriers and re-claim our rights.

RamS
82 posted on 07/05/2004 6:05:37 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
IIRC, one of Finestein's body guards packs a Tec-9. Reminds me of the old phrase: Do as I say, not as I do.

Look in Websters, and next to the definition of "Elitist, limousine liberal hypocrite," is Di-Fi's picture.

5.56mm

83 posted on 07/05/2004 6:15:40 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: RamingtonStall
"Now, you can wait for the 2nd Amendment to actually get re-established by citing references to Thomas Jefferson, but I guarantee that that has not worked, except as motivation to individuals in groups like Ohioans For Concealed Carry all over this great nation to, brick by brick, remove the barriers and re-claim our rights."

I appreciate your input.
You make some good points.
IF everyone carried guns, without "illegal" permits, society would become more civilized.
84 posted on 07/05/2004 10:40:21 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Better not to ban them? Why go through the hassle of a black market if you don't have to?


85 posted on 07/06/2004 12:12:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Kerry/Clinton--Taking Things for the Common Good 2004)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for your response. I expect that the USA is going to become more civilized and polite as more and more Americans obtain their CHL's even though they do not believe the Government had the power to ban carry in the first place.

In the cases where the State denies the applicant a CHL for some reason, the "OHIO CARRY" option is still available in Ohio and, quite frankly, I frequently "Open Carry" in support of them even though I have my CHL. Plus, in order to comply with Ohio's Law, I need to "OPEN CARRY" when riding my Motorcycle! (Does the Uncle Remus Story about B'rer Rabbit and the Briar patch come to mind?)

Be Safe!

RamS


86 posted on 07/06/2004 5:12:52 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: take

I was watching the movie The Majestic (with Jim Carrey) yesterday and there was one part that really caught me. The lawyer (I think) for Carrey's character told him that the Constitution is a contract with the American people and that like all contracts is open to renegotiation. Seems that a lot of people believe that whether by choice or because it was ingrained into them. What we need is more people like Carrey's character, that are willing to stand up no matter what the possible reprucussions and state that the Constitution is a contract that is not open to renegotiation.


87 posted on 07/06/2004 7:01:43 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn

Thats funny, a constitution is supposed to be superior to a "contract" just like a constitutional amendment trumps a mere law.


88 posted on 07/06/2004 7:41:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: RamingtonStall

Odd how VT is the only state where there is no need for a permit to carry a gun.
Last I heard Alaska was working on this also.


89 posted on 07/06/2004 8:01:20 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

VT came about in the early 1900's pretty much like the "OHIO CARRY" came about in 2003. Not through the Legislature and the Governor signing a bill into law, but by a Supreme Court Ruling from the early 1900's that effectively said people in VT have the right carry guns wherever they wanted as long as they do not intend to use them in the commission of a crime. If you rob a gas station with a gun in VT, you get charged with robbery plus illegal possession of a firearm.

Ohio's Supreme court got too loose with their pen in writing their decision in Klein v. Leis (25-SEPT-2003). They were trying to have their cake and eat it too by saying that it is illegal to carry concealed guns, thinking that people would never even want to openly carry. They effectively declared the right to Open Carry a firearm is a Basic Fundamental Right in Ohio. While many considered this to be a set-back for the efforts to reclaim the right to Concealed Carry in Ohio, I personally started touting this as a GREAT VICTORY!

The Ohio Supreme Court had Pronounced that citizens of Ohio could Openly Carry Firearms as a Basic Fundamental Right with no need for Training, Licenses, Fees, regulations, limits, etc. This ruling and our reaction were undoubtedly instrumental in the Legislature and Governor passing and signing the new CHL law.

The "Open Carry" option is still available to anyone who is denied a CHL due to some stupid reason such as a 25 year old drug possession conviction, etc. While not able to carry in a car, they could follow the "Ohio Carry" procedures which we carefully spelled out to assure that they will be able to possess and carry firearms for their self defense and security.

ALASKA: Alaska, I believe, just declared by Law that everybody can carry "VT Style" PLUS they began issuing Licenses to qualified applicants which gave then Alaska Citizens the ability to be recognized in other states or to qualify for Non-Resident Licenses in other States, something that has been a problem for the citizens of VT.

Be Safe!

RamS


90 posted on 07/06/2004 11:20:40 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: RamingtonStall

Thanks for the further education!


91 posted on 07/06/2004 11:35:48 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'm with you, but I guess what I said is more indicative of the result of such idiocy by the Dim-o-craps


92 posted on 07/06/2004 1:44:53 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Looks like the Communist from California, Diane Feinstein, isn't going to let up one iota on eroding our American inalienable rights that are GUARANTEED in the U.S. Constitution which SHE took an oath to uphold!


93 posted on 07/06/2004 5:19:57 PM PDT by cacher
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To: FairOpinion

A large core of the Republican Party was highjacked several years ago by left-wingers, (progressives,liberals, communists, Trotskyites, etc.), when the Republicans took over both Houses in '94. They like to refer to themselves as "moderates" or Neo-Cons, but they seem to vote more with liberal Democrats than true Conservatives. It's best we concentrate more on educating our fellow citizens and neighbors on OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS that are ETCHED IN STONE. I don't care what Bills may come before Congress or what "opinion" the Supreme Court may render, I will NOT abide by it, period.


94 posted on 07/06/2004 5:28:22 PM PDT by cacher
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To: cacher

Absolutely right about the Left Wingers of the Republican Party. In Ohio, we finally got rid of Democrat Senator Metzenbaum and Senator Glenn, only to get 2 RINO's in Senator DeWine And Senator Voinovich.

But, in the past 20 years, the new technology boom has toppled the Soviet Union from within by FAX communications, The Chinese Government is under attack from within due to the Cellular Phone Text Messaging, and the Truth about Guns is being regularly spread over the Internet in Gun Grabbing countries like England, Australia, and Canada. Life is Good and the wider spread use of the Internet is going to make it better.

The USA needs to be run by "We the People" and not by the Liberal Politicians who want to take away our guns.

Free Republic Rocks!

RamS


95 posted on 07/07/2004 4:46:24 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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