Posted on 07/12/2004 6:34:33 AM PDT by SmithPatterson
Good points.
NJ is surprising in flux at the moment, many assumed it would swing to Kerry early. And many in NJ consider Guiliani an idol. I know one woman who named her daughter Guiliana.
California... even if Arnold can't deliver California for Bush, it will force the Dems to spend money there. That's less money for the Dems to spend in PA, FL, Ohio, etc...
Political conventions don't sway voters. Political conventions are meant for loyal party activists to gather together and nominate their choice to run for POTUS. It's a big rally designed to call to action the party faithful and come together to renew an effort by joining in a common cause. Most of the RNC delegates will be made up of consevatives and rightfully so. Just like the DNC delegates are mostly made up of liberals.
While Pat Buchanan's rhetoric in 1992 was over the top, he was right. There is a culture war going on in America today. Its the left against the right. And spotlighting GovRino as a prime time speaker isn't the best way for conservatism to triumph over liberalism. Besides, Arnold's support for PresBush is lukewarm at best. Heard through the grapevine that Arnold wanted to attend the Democratic National Convention in a show of bi-partisanship. His advisors told him, that was a bad idea.
People seem to forget it's about winning an election .. not spotlighting their petty little agenda.
The President has already proven to me by his actions that he has the best interests of AMERICA on his mind and in his heart.
That's all I need to know. If some extreme right-winger doesn't get asked to speak .. that's just too bad.
Does Weyrich hear himself? The words hateful, spiteful, mean, narrowminded, petty and childish spring to mind.
As Dog Gone pointed out to you when you made that same statement an hour ago on another similar thread, the post-Convention bumps prove otherwise. Mushy middlers pay attention to the conventions and become attracted to candidates as a result.
What they will say will be very helpful to President Bush. They will all praise his leadership and explain why he should--needs to--be re-elected.
You are right, of course they won't be advocating the issues listed.
The CORE should be fired up against Liberals without needing help from anyone. I don't need Bush to fire me up to vote against Democrats. If the CORE needs "firing up" then the CORE has a serious problem.
Dog Gone is right IMHO -- over the years the mushy middle has chosen their candidates from conventions and why you see the bumps. Sometimes the mushy middle changes and likes the 2nd convention better then the first.
Thus, we have Rudy (great speaker) and Arnold (very popular) speaking.
If the base isn't already fired up, especially this time, a convention is not going to help. Didn't help me get fired up with Dole! The base is meant to get fired up by VP Cheney and Pres Bush not other speakers as they give their speeches and then leave the convention on a campaign swing. The last night is for the base IMHO!
It was only afterwards that the media (and liberal Republicans) began their campaign to position the speech as a hate-filled diatribe.
And, we see that even today, the media won the war to rewrite the speech after the fact, to the point where even Republicans buy into the dishonest and factually incorrect spin that was applied after the fact.
And I don't even like Buchanan! But, this almost Soviet rewriting of history really bothers me.
Heard through the grapevine that Arnold wanted to attend the Democratic National Convention in a show of bi-partisanship. His advisors told him, that was a bad idea.
Sure you did.
On your very own sour grape vine.
Arnold has ALWAYS campaigned for the GOP.
The latest Pew research indicates that 97 percent of CONSERVATIVES support Bush.
No doubt; you are correct; this is not about party affiliation, this is about dead kids...
BS; I've never met one that WASN"T horrified by it. You're a great one to be telling people they're not conservatives.
And I don't believe one word you said about support for the GOP going up after that speech; if that were so, the GOP wouldn't have run like hell from Pat Buchanan.
It was THE nastiest, most mean-spirited, condescending speech I have ever heard.
Some around here -- the "real conservatives," ya know? -- are demanding somebody short of Pat. Some "in your face" stuff that would turn off most of the swing votes AND some of the other conservatives.
BS.
I think you replied to the wrong post... I said nothing about Buchanan or his speech.
Since you mentioned it to me, though, I'll tell that I thought Buchanan's speech was a great one, just a poor venue for it strategically. Buchanan's speech given at the convention helped underscore the growing complaints that Bush 41 wasn't conservative enough. I became one of the angry, ill-informed, "teach the GOP a lesson about moderates" who voted 3rd party in 1992, the only time in my life that I didn't vote a straight Republican ticket. And look where that brilliant strategy got us.
"MODERATE" will get Kerry elected.
Then ponder this one for a moment... there is currently a bill heading for Congress that will force abortionists to inform women seeking abortion that the infant suffers severe pain during the process. There will be real babies saved once women are forced to hear this and a few change their minds.
It will be a battle to get this passed, if not this year then we have a better shot next year with a few more conservatives and "repugnicans" that help us keep an even greater majority in Congress and force bills to the floor.
Lastly... if that bill DOES pass Congress but not until next year, Bush will sign it. If Kerry is in the White House at that point, Kerry certainly will not.
If God can use a donkey then we can surely use moderates to give us leverage in gaining ground on pro-life issues.
Forgot to throw in the debates. They are significant and influencial in people making a final determination on who they'll vote for in the end.
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