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Baby boomers not all alike
Sun News/ Myrtlebeachonline ^ | 7/11/04 | Jeffrey Zaslow

Posted on 07/12/2004 9:38:33 AM PDT by qam1

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To: Warren_Piece
And I like the way Howe and Strauss divided the 'X' generation into 'Atari' and 'Nintendo' X-ers. I turn 40 next month, and certainly have very little in common with early boomers; however, the same could be said of my my tatooed and pierced brethren in the Nintendo wave of the 13th gen.

I can accept that explaination, I would be a member of the "Atari X'ers." I just turned 38 last week on the 8th so yeah, I do see that division there. For the most part, i feel I have very little in common with the later X'ers too.
351 posted on 07/12/2004 5:54:24 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Brad's Gramma
Who you calling "Kid"? I'm a grandmother and a baby boomer and I don't think the "Greatest Generation" is a sacred cow no matter how many blue hairs they have.

Futhermore, my children are Gen-Xers, and it's their generation that's fighting the war on terror, and maybe it's high time we started cutting these "Kids" some slack.

They don't have the same future to look forward to, that the "greatest generation" had. So if anyone is falling down on the job, perhaps it's due to a self-congratulatory and self-aggrandizing generation that bailed-out when the check came due while they were busy patting themselves on the back.

352 posted on 07/12/2004 5:55:41 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: CyberCowboy777
Are you stating that a generation cannot be responsible for an impact on the society?

I think events that occur and those that participate in them and those that try to counteract them impact society.

It is best to discuss the specific events and decades in a historical context rather than berate a whole group based on their age.

353 posted on 07/12/2004 5:56:01 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: GVgirl; Brad's Gramma
They don't have the same future to look forward to, that the "greatest generation" had.

Absolutely correct. They have potential ten-fold over the blue haired crowd. They'll pee it away at their own peril. Perhaps a few of them listened to someone who'd been around, someone with character, someone in whom they had trust.

Perhaps not.

354 posted on 07/12/2004 6:09:31 PM PDT by glock rocks (I want to be herd !!)
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To: Glenn
Ping list for the >discussion excoriation of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Gen-Reagan/Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including of all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

So we are suppose to happily pay for all your goodies and not complain at all? Gee I wonder why people say Baby Boomers are selfish.

Stop whining, X'er. It's getting you nowhere but bitter. When you reach my tax bracket, you might have a clue.

I'm not bitter, As  Forbes calls us “ the most entrepreneurial generation in American history.” and we are the ones who ushered in the Information Age so despite what you Baby Boomers like to believe my Generation already has a good legacy, As for your generation, well the baby boomers have already secured their place as the most selfish and worst generation in American history. 100 years from now when you and I are both gone and Gen Z+4 is still paying off the debt you ran up do you really think history is going to look kindly on the baby boomers?

355 posted on 07/12/2004 6:18:21 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: CyberCowboy777; All

I wonder if you could find any demographic info on the people born from 1946 - 1964 and how many kids the people had during these years. What I'm trying to find out is if there were more kids born to the front end boomers as opposed to the end ones, or is it just about equal?

For instance, did the people born in 1946-1956 have more kids later on than the ones from 1956 - 1964? It's just something I've been wondering about. If you know where to find such info, I thank you in advance.


356 posted on 07/12/2004 6:23:57 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
This may help

I believe the later Boomers who gave birth to Gen-Ys had more kids than early Boomers. The Peak Birth years of Gen-Y are the late 1980's which was probably the end of child bearing for the Hippy early Boomers.

357 posted on 07/12/2004 6:36:42 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1
"we are the ones who ushered in the Information Age"


Lets see, Alan Turing did his work in the 30's, stored program computers and the transistor were invented in the 40's, and the IC and the basics of computer science were invented in the 50's. The 60's saw large scale transistorization, the fundamental theory of packet switching, and the invention of hypertext, the 70's the invention of the microprocessor and arpanet,and the 80's the Internet and the widespread availability of personal computers. In the 90's it all came together and GenXers started writing web pages. Ergo, GenXers singlehandedly ushered in the Information Age. NOT.

Given the number of dot-com companies that collapsed, I think all they should really take credit for is the invention of "vaporware" and the worlds largest reservoir of hubris.
358 posted on 07/12/2004 6:56:23 PM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: CyberCowboy777
1970 Voting Rights Act was the lowering of the voting age to 18. In 1964 only the first year of the considered "boom" (1946) was old enough to vote.

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Um, a little basic math (very basic)....1946 plus 21 = 1967. With us so far?

In 1964 absolutely no boomers were 21, the legal voting age at the time. The first election year when any boomers were old enough to vote (21) was 1968 and then it was only those born before November 1947, not very many no matter how you look at it.

359 posted on 07/12/2004 7:11:23 PM PDT by wtc911 (moderate islam is the swamp where evil festers)
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To: beef
In the 90's it all came together.......

Fueled by boomer capital.

360 posted on 07/12/2004 7:15:22 PM PDT by wtc911 (moderate islam is the swamp where evil festers)
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To: wtc911
Of course your right, but my math was fine.

I used the wrong voting age in my first calculation.

1946 plus 18 = 1964

I do wonder why you would assume I could not do "very basic" and make the correction in such a manner? Do you just like to demean others?

Heck, I was agreeing with you.

361 posted on 07/12/2004 7:26:21 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: qam1

I was born in 1947 and I am quite disgusted with my generation. I don't share any of their 'values' at all. And I wasn't at Woodstock. I'm a Vietnam vet. We raised four responsible adults who don't reflect the inflated ego's of most of their generation either. - By the Grace of God.


362 posted on 07/12/2004 7:30:03 PM PDT by Gotterdammerung
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To: beef
Lets see, Alan Turing did his work in the 30's, stored program computers and the transistor were invented in the 40's, and the IC and the basics of computer science were invented in the 50's. The 60's saw large scale transistorization, the fundamental theory of packet switching, and the invention of hypertext, the 70's the invention of the microprocessor and arpanet,and the 80's the Internet and the widespread availability of personal computers. In the 90's it all came together and GenXers started writing web pages. Ergo, GenXers singlehandedly ushered in the Information Age. NOT.

Of course we didn't do it singlehandedly, Just like Henry Ford didn't usher in the automotive age singlehandedly. However like Henry Ford we are the ones who brought computers into the mainstream, If it weren't for us computers would still be only found in University basements.

Given the number of dot-com companies that collapsed, I think all they should really take credit for is the invention of "vaporware" and the worlds largest reservoir of hubris.

Given the number of airplane companies that went out of business early on, I guess by your logic the Wright Brothers were failures.

Again 100 years from now, What do you think future generations are going to think the Baby Boomers legacy is?

363 posted on 07/12/2004 7:42:30 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: wtc911

"Fueled by boomer capital."


And built on boomer technology.


364 posted on 07/12/2004 7:56:26 PM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: beef
"Fueled by boomer capital."

And sucked away by boomer taxation.

365 posted on 07/12/2004 8:00:42 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Mary Landrieu challenged any Sen/Cong. to prove F-911 wrong this morning on FOX. GOP- get busy.)
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To: tahiti
I'm still trying to figured out what happened in 1913.

The fifteenth amendment was ratified in 1870, assuring the right of all citizens to vote no matter their color, race or previous condition of servitude.

For forty three years things moved along just fine (I guess) then BAM! two amendments, back to back, in one year that basically nullified all the individual liberties guaranteed by the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

We got hit with the 16th in February 1913, which removed individual privacy then in April 1913 we got the 17th that removed legal representation for the States. (How else end up with someone like Hillary as a Senator?)
366 posted on 07/12/2004 8:13:23 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: Gingersnap
I was born in 1955 but my Dad was career military so I was a bit more in tuned with the difference between Washington politics and campus politics.

Dad served in Korea and did two tours in Vietnam(real tours, 12 months for the first 16 months for the second), I saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in '64, got sent to the principal in '63 when I was the first in my school to know the President was dead and shot my mouth off, stood still with the rest of the world when we walked on the moon in '69, etc etc.

But all that aside, I know what you mean. I've worked at something since I was 12 to make my own money outside the home. I was pretty disgusted with the peace/love/dove bunch myself. They preached tearing down the establishment but had nothing to offer in its place and they were the ones that dishonored our soldiers when they returned from a war in which they won every battle but were forced to desert their allies.

I'm a Daddy's girl at heart and no one disses Daddy.
367 posted on 07/12/2004 8:41:12 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: qam1
"However like Henry Ford we are the ones who brought computers into the mainstream"

Yes, the Model T of computers. The Apple II. 1977.

"If it weren't for us computers would still be only found in University basements."

I had one in my dorm room in 1976. I was on the 6th floor.

"Given the number of airplane companies that went out of business early on, I guess by your logic the Wright Brothers were failures."

They did something that was actually new. Also, when they went out of business, the NASDAQ didn't drop 3000 points and plunge the country into a recession.

"Again 100 years from now, What do you think future generations are going to think the Baby Boomers legacy is?"

Well it's hard to say, since we're not even close to done yet. As boomers have taken control of our institutions, we have managed (among other things) to avoid inflation and gas lines, successfully deregulate numerous industries, keep unemployment low, outlast the Soviet Union (a big plus for the GenXers), establish record rates of home ownership, and invent the World Wide Web.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
368 posted on 07/12/2004 8:41:45 PM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: cyncooper
Is this still going on????

THUD THUD THUD

What's that noise???

OH .. It's me banging my head on the keyboard

369 posted on 07/12/2004 8:47:13 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

I was late to reading it and starting posting after most had gone. It's more or less dead--save your head (hey, that rhymed!).


370 posted on 07/12/2004 8:51:57 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: cyncooper

LOL!


371 posted on 07/12/2004 8:55:35 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Howlin

LOL!

Read what you write and how you write it.

It's as clear as the nose on your face.

Don't fret. I could care less. Just pointing it out to you.


372 posted on 07/12/2004 9:09:47 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Brad's Gramma

GO GRAMMIE GO!!!


WOHOOOO ... you done good!!!


373 posted on 07/12/2004 9:34:12 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Brad's Gramma
Because ALMOST WITHOUT FAIL, the generation that you're in, is still living off of their parents in some way. Either they're living at home or their parents have bought them their homes.

Don't leave those of us out in Gen-X who *bought* our parents their home, made our own way, and are quite content with that.

374 posted on 07/12/2004 11:27:53 PM PDT by superloser (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Brad's Gramma
There is NO WAY I would've said that about my grandparents OR parents.

Unlike previous generations, many Gen Xers do not share any great sense of connection or loyalty to the Boomers. It'll be hard for the aging boomers as a group to demand what it is that at least half of their children have not already been given in turn.

Many boomers (not all) NEVER grew up, and never learned that there were needs other than their own, even those of their own children. The whole world is only there to serve their own sense of self-worth and validation. Anything else, be damned! They tend to be selfish, absent, self-absorbed, me, me, me, with no sense of responsibility, and a general incapacity to ever admit doing anything wrong. Far too many of the boomers failed as parents, which is why today so many Gen Xers believe that they succeeded in SPITE of their parents, and not because of them.

Me, personally, I just can't wait until all the boomers start retiring from academia and the universities. The boomers have succeeded in ruining them.

375 posted on 07/12/2004 11:52:34 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: exhaustedmomma

"And sucked away by boomer taxation."

Well, we just need to keep those boomers out of the white house.



376 posted on 07/13/2004 5:21:31 AM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: Fraulein
"Many boomers (not all) NEVER grew up, and never learned that there were needs other than their own, even those of their own children. The whole world is only there to serve their own sense of self-worth and validation. Anything else, be damned! They tend to be selfish, absent, self-absorbed, me, me, me, with no sense of responsibility, and a general incapacity to ever admit doing anything wrong. Far too many of the boomers failed as parents, which is why today so many Gen Xers believe that they succeeded in SPITE of their parents, and not because of them."

I can't help but see the parallels between this and what Boomers had to say about their parents. It seems like it's the solenm duty of each generation to rebel against the one before. The Generation Gap is alive and well.
377 posted on 07/13/2004 5:42:46 AM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: beef

Keep in mind, for many of us older Xers, boomers were not our parents (that title belongs to the Silent Generation), but our Generational Older Siblings. So our gripes cannot be boiled down to youthful rebellion against our parents. Heck, I turn 40 in a couple of weeks, there's nothing 'youthful' about me.


378 posted on 07/13/2004 6:13:39 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: beef
Yes, the Model T of computers. The Apple II. 1977.

Hardly, It was more like the Duryea. The Model "T" of computers was the Commadore 64. And we actually went on to do something with them while you boomers just used them to play Pong.

"Given the number of airplane companies that went out of business early on, I guess by your logic the Wright Brothers were failures."

They did something that was actually new. Also, when they went out of business, the NASDAQ didn't drop 3000 points and plunge the country into a recession.

Ummm, did you ever hear of the Great Depression

"Again 100 years from now, What do you think future generations are going to think the Baby Boomers legacy is?"

Well it's hard to say, since we're not even close to done yet.

Yes I know, Which is scary. I really look forward to all the new wonderful social programs and health/saftely laws still to come from you guys. I personally can't wait until the "Should Viagra be added to the prescription drug benefit" debates.

As boomers have taken control of our institutions, we have managed (among other things) to avoid inflation

umm. Late 1970's

and gas lines,

For now, How many new gas refineraries and nuclear power plants have been opened since you've taken power?

successfully deregulate numerous industries,

Yeah name one, "Capitalism" is not the 1st word anybody thinks of when they think of boomers

keep unemployment low,

By increasing the size of government at all levels

outlast the Soviet Union (a big plus for the GenXers),

HUH? We outlasted the Soviets too, As well as the WWII and Silent and Ys?

It was because of Reagan not because the Baby Boomers who if many had their way we would have unilaterally disarmed.

establish record rates of home ownership,

Wow! The largest generation had the largest homeownership!! Who would have thunk it.

Then you turned around and increased property taxes to fund your Boomer programs and now you are pushing age restricted housing.

and invent the World Wide Web.

Again if it wasn't for us, You would be just talking to some kid on his 6th floor dorm.

Sorry but in the future, When people think of the baby boomers they will think of the following, Your generational legacy before they think of any of the above

Activist Judges, Junk Science, Tune in, Turn on and drop out, Health/Safety Nazis, RINOS, Destruction of the Nuclear Family, Destruction of the Black Extended family, Frivolous lawsuits, The Constitution as a living document, The Welfare State, The Nanny State, If it feels good do it, Smoking bans in bars and restaurants, The Liberal Media elite, The founding fathers were nothing more than evil slave owners, Sound bites over substance or facts, It’s for the Children, Abortion on demand, NIMBY, The Clintons, Seatbelt laws, Feminism, Tree Huggers, Criminals that have more rights than the victim, Taking time off to find your self, Meathead, Blame America First, Latch key kids, Kids being raised by their grandparents and/or strangers, Disco, Helmet laws for Motorcycles, Helmet laws for freaking Bicycles, Cradle to grave entitlements, War on Fat, Me, Me, ME, 21 year old drinking age, Yuppies, Careers over your children, Limousine Liberals, Keeping up with the Joneses, Hatred of the Military, Time Out discipline, Reporters who think they are not only part of but bigger than the story they are covering, Focus groups, Weekend dads, Single moms, Prisoner rights groups, Prozac, Ritilin, Viagra, ½ our income going for taxes, America owes me, Living past failed dreams through your children, Even though the WWII generation saved the world from fascism and tyranny they are still uneducated simpletons, Cocktail Parties with the likes of Mike Bloomberg, Turning an educational system that once was the best in the world to S!@, The 2nd Amendment doesn't mean the Right to bear arms, Do as I say not as I do, Peacekeepers instead of soldiers, Vietnam syndrome, The weakening of the CIA, Power Couples, Soccer Moms, NPR, Eradication of Dodge Ball, Prescription drug benefit, It's all society's fault type excuses and made up syndromes instead of personal responsibility, and so many more but I will close with.

An Obscene and still growing national debt that WE the future generations will have to pay off.

379 posted on 07/13/2004 8:53:20 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1
"Hardly, It was more like the Duryea. The Model "T" of computers was the Commadore 64. And we actually went on to do something with them while you boomers just used them to play Pong."

The Mark-8 would have been the Duryea. Apple IIs were useful and you could fix one yourself, an important characteristic of a model T. In any event, your 64 was designed by boomers, too. While you were "doing something" with it, we were developing the next generation of computers, polishing internet protocols, and building the communication infrastructure to make the Web possible.

"Ummm, did you ever hear of the Great Depression"

Was that our fault, too?

"As boomers have taken control of our institutions, we have managed (among other things) to avoid inflation

umm. Late 1970's "

Get your facts straight. Mortgage rate were 14% in 1982. I was there, OK?

Look, you are all over the place on the rest of it. I will admit I never knew that stay at home soccer moms were evil. What do you want them to do, get jobs and put their careers before their children? No, wait, that makes latch-key kids!
I do want to say that when the web was born, the GenXers were at best midwives in training who happened to catch the baby when it popped out and, strangely enough, now seem to think that they made it.

As you grow up, you will realize, like we did, that you are not quite as smart as you thought you were.
380 posted on 07/13/2004 9:55:35 AM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: qam1

"Dennis Peterson and his daughter, Dee Ann Haibeck, are boomer bookends, born Jan. 1, 1946, and Oct. 28, 1964. Peterson of Bellevue, Wash., says people from his era "opened the door for a lot of discussions America hadn't been having" - about such divisive matters as race, women's rights, the Vietnam War. He says those of his daughter's era "didn't have the testosterone to get involved in social issues. I don't think they had our sense of responsibility.""

Haibeck feels some of her dad's hippie contemporaries "changed our culture for the worse" by making society too liberal."


Oh this is beautiful.

Dad was only 18, some damn SELFISH drug- and sex-crazed narcissist, when he sired this girl. He doesn't see how HE is the selfish, self-gratifying idiot. And every1 else is inferior, older and younger. So typical '60s hippie. (Likewise selfishly and self-righteously, he thinks his little teenage butt had so much to do w/what was "questioned". Nevermind all that '60s stuff was simmering in the '50s at least, and could only be brought to the fore by those at least in their mid-20s - you know, those who had lives?)

She's a bit older than I am and she must oppose her dad's views. Well, isn't it a shock that an 18yo "father" who praises self-gratification anything-goes and "rebellion" (for the sake of rebellion, against older people like your parents) would find himself w/a daughter who's "rebelled" against him? Oh no, it couldn't be!


381 posted on 07/13/2004 10:00:31 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Fraulein

"Far too many of the boomers failed as parents, which is why today so many Gen Xers believe that they succeeded in SPITE of their parents, and not because of them."

Wait a minute! Not *all* of us GenReagans were sired/"raised" by Hippie Boomers. Lots of us came from the older generation; sorry!

You're not painting *my* parents w/the '60s brush! LOL


382 posted on 07/13/2004 10:31:07 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: beef; qam1; All

Well, break it up, guys! Please! LOL

I haven't read this whole thing, just the 1st and last pages. But it looks like there's been alot of:

a) using a broad brush on any given generation, particularly "Boomers" and

b) reactionary replies to a)


1st, I want to say that indeed there is generally a reason for things like "generations" getting a reputation. Stereotypes have at least a grain of truth. As for Boomers, perhaps the majority of people there were NOT hippy liberals, but that majority sure was silent, while the stupid minority got the limelite and the policy influence. Because of that minority's influence, the Boomer generation gained a reputation as a Hippie Generation. (On FR, that's a hated thing....)

2nd, I think most of us aren't so stupid as to really believe every person of so&so generation is like the stereotype. So please, people, don't take these slights so seriously and PERSONALLY.

BTW, I disagree w/alot of what qam1 said, or analogized. I am that GenReagan (I don't like X!) myself, and I think so far our "gen" may be superior to that before on many planes, but I don't know; not yet. I'd NEVER call our GenReagan the Greatest, or anywhere near. Not from what I've seen! That's my objective take on it. Just cuz I think (maybe) the ~influential~ side of my own generation may be superior to the Hippie part of the previous gen, doesn't mean I think it's better than any other. (So that's not "biased", thanks.)

My objective view in fact is that Brokaw pegged the Greatest Generation way off. The greatest was the 1st real Americans. They weren't socialists, and they certainly didn't raise a bunch of socialist brats, either!


(Again, apologies to all reasonable Boomers, and I know there're alot of you out there! Heck my bro and sis are part of the last wave!)


383 posted on 07/13/2004 10:42:40 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: beef

Truce.


384 posted on 07/13/2004 11:05:50 AM PDT by beef ("Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth.")
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To: qam1; beef
Q, your style or tactic is straight from the democrat play book. I started to read through the litany of social ills for which you blame the "boomers".....

Junk Science....like what, alchemy or maybe diagnosing people with the vapors?

Tune in, Turn on and drop out....Timothy Leary, greatest generation.

Health/Safety Nazis.....Nazis? (a useful dem word) Oh, I get it, those guys who gas whole families and incinerate the remains if they don't wear a seatbelt...those Nazis

Destruction of the Nuclear Family....courtesy of feminism, pioneered by the likes of Germaine Greer, Phyllis Chessler and a half dozen other non-boomer women and a result of reliable reproduction controls aka "the pill", an invention of the GG

Destruction of the Black Extended family....this is likely your most bald-faced lie. The welfare state that created the conditions that led to this problem was, as you well know, installed by Washington in the years before any boomers were old enough to vote.

That's as far as I got. You have more lies in the first three lines of your rant than Michael Moore has in the first halfhour of F911. Your methods and his are the same. You both villify, name call and you both are dishonest.

385 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:59 AM PDT by wtc911 (moderate islam is the swamp where evil festers)
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To: Howlin

"I'll read whatever is posted on FR; that is, if you don't mind."

Sure, Buddy, read whatever the heck you want. But don't read it and then grouse to the rest of us that you're tired of reading it. If you're tired of reading things that you don't like, then the solution is...stop reading.


386 posted on 07/13/2004 2:32:00 PM PDT by busterspam
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Well, break it up, guys! Please! LOL

I haven't read this whole thing, just the 1st and last pages. But it looks like there's been alot of:

a) using a broad brush on any given generation, particularly "Boomers" and

I see you missed post #132

b) reactionary replies to a)

2nd, I think most of us aren't so stupid as to really believe every person of so&so generation is like the stereotype. So please, people, don't take these slights so seriously and PERSONALLY.

BTW, I disagree w/alot of what qam1 said, or analogized.

You disagree with me? I am utterly shocked :-)

But I agree with the way you put it and I can give you another analogy that fits these threads with what you are saying.

I was born a New York and now I live in New Jersey, So whether you consider me a New Yorker or New Jerseyian doesn't matter, either one will do. Now just look at who they both voted in, In New York we elected the most liberal socialist governor 3 times and New York City is the bullseye for every terrorist out there and yet they still support Kerry by wide margins and then there is Hillary. While in New Jersey there was the whole Toricelli-Lousenberg thing and we have one of the most corrupt Governors in the country and in the last election NJ voters gave him majorities in both houses.

Now there is only one conclusion you can reach from the above, Most New Yorkers and New Jerseyans have to be stupid to vote these people in. And yes on NY & NJ threads people from other states will eagarly point that out. Now does that mean they think everyone from NY or NJ is an idiot? Are the people from other states just trying to start "Interstate" warfare? Do I or other freepers from NY/NJ get insulted when they say these things? Of course not.

The same with the Baby Boomers, many are fine, wonderful people (Like my parents), However the fact is many if not most of them  in that generation did/are doing their best either willingly or unwillingly to undo all the values and institutions that made this country great and the sooner the myth they give themselves breaks and they are removed from power the better.      

387 posted on 07/13/2004 10:21:33 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1

(I disagreed w/you thinking the C-64 was the Model T; the Boomer was right, the AppleII and variants was the Model T. Every1 had 1 who had a computer. Neither did I much like comparing "us" to Henry Ford. But I digress....)

I agree very much about that analogy.

The hard truth is stereotypes have at least a grain of truth in them. I know we're not supposed to believe that, even on a conservative board, but it's the truth. Stereotypes don't develop successfully w/o there being a broad basis in truth.

BTW, it's also true MDers are ludicrous lefties. I'm native and I still live here; I'm not offended and I can even admit that leftie "bias" straight out! I hate it, but hey, it's true!


388 posted on 07/14/2004 7:49:52 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: xsmommy

Reread my previous posts. I think boomers are generally liberal, so it follows that I also think boomers' attitudes toward SS are liberal. Mind you, this is one person's opinion.


389 posted on 07/14/2004 4:04:43 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader

well my point is... generalizing is generally a crock, and that Freepers who are boomers are conservative and hold different views, so you might imagine they would be Pd O being lumped in with the liberal boomers. : )


390 posted on 07/14/2004 4:06:33 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

We can empathize as I hate being lumped in with liberal X-ers. :-)

What concerns me is I think the boomers and the seasoned citizens are in control of policy right now as they have the market on votes. It'd be nice if they could help turn our nation in a more conservative direction domestically.


391 posted on 07/14/2004 4:11:09 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Red Badger

Not true My Grandparents are WW2 Gen & they were too young 2 vote 4 Roosevelt


392 posted on 10/24/2004 1:29:36 AM PDT by Chrysler813
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