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Weyrich Wary of Muslim Dominance in Western Europe
Agape Press ^ | July 12, 2004 | Chad Groening

Posted on 07/12/2004 2:37:03 PM PDT by veronica

(AgapePress) - A conservative activist says Islam has never gotten over being driven out of Europe centuries ago, so it is using massive immigration to infiltrate the continent. The result, he says, could be a Muslim majority in several European countries within the next decade or so.

Paul Weyrich, president of the Free Congress Foundation (http://www.freecongress.org), says he is alarmed about the Islamic population explosion in western Europe. "England has a problem; Germany has a problem; the Netherlands have a problem -- it's pretty much universal," he says. "But France has the worst problem of all."

France has the highest concentration of Muslims of any western European country. According to Weyrich, the French military is so "infiltrated" with Muslims that it would be difficult to put down an Islamic takeover.

"In the case of France, they're getting so many [Muslims] there -- and of course, their birth rate is incredibly high, and the French birth rate isn't even at replacement stage," he says. "So one of these days, the Frenchmen are going to turn around and they're going to find out that the Islamacists control their country."

The conservative icon predicts continued growth of the Islamic population in other European nations as well, resulting sooner rather than later in a strong political push by that faction. "I think we're talking about ten or fifteen years [from now, but] future generations [of Muslims] are going to move," he says. "As soon as they think they have enough power, they're going to move."

He contends Muslims want revenge for being pushed off the continent centuries ago. "The fact is that from the Moslem point of view there is no such thing as defeat," Weyrich explains. "You just wait your turn and you move again -- and they are moving again."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanmuslims

1 posted on 07/12/2004 2:37:04 PM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica

Here's a long term prediction..Canada breaks up..as the separatist movement in Quebec finally wins a referendum,a nd the Western provinces get sick of les Quebecois...the western provinces join the US, and 95 % of non Muslim France emigrates to Quebec..


2 posted on 07/12/2004 2:40:24 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: ken5050
What we need is effective rhetoric.

We need to define Islam as an ideology (which it is) instead of a religion.

Unless we manage this, political correctness will be our downfall.

3 posted on 07/12/2004 2:44:05 PM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: veronica
Weyrich Wary of Muslim Dominance in Western Europe

Uh,.....

?...Keep terrorist WMD out of the U.N./Hague's EU?

[Weyrich Wary of Muslim (ie.North Korean/Chinese) Dominance in Western Europe]

/sarcasm

4 posted on 07/12/2004 2:44:17 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Mamzelle

PC is ALLREADY our downfall..and we DON'T need rhetoric..we need bullets..they are fanatics..they have to be killed..


5 posted on 07/12/2004 2:51:51 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: ken5050
An ounce of rhetoric, well done, is worth a ton of bullets.

There are 1.5 BBBillion Muslims in the world.

15 million Jews.

If we could get the rhetoric in gear, convincingly-- "Islam is Fascism. Islam is oppression and tyranny"-- that'd at least keep Muslims from entering the country. And we're looking at making parts of America like France (Dearborn, Mich and Loudon County, Va) We can't discriminate as to "religion", but we can discriminate as to subversiveness.

We have to find a pretext, subtext, text-- to keep 'em out.

6 posted on 07/12/2004 3:05:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: veronica
It isn't just Europe that is at risk any more.


The Islamic Agenda And Its Blueprints (CAIR "Qur'an should be highest authority in America")
      Posted by Mark Felton
On 07/12/2004 5:02:17 PM CDT


answering-islam.org ^ | 7/12/04 | answering-islam.org
The Islamic Agenda And Its Blueprints It was reported in The Times on Thursday January 17 2002 that the alleged British shoe bomber Richard Reid, a suspected agent of al-Qa'eda, managed to stay safe by deception.The report said that one of his tricks was to hide his religious fanaticism by scavenging empty alcohol bottles (Muslims generally do not drink alcohol) and cigarette ends from rubbish bins to leave in his hotel rooms. Another was putting his passport through the washing machine to remove a Pakistani visa stamp that might have posed difficulties when he travelled to Israel.

7 posted on 07/12/2004 3:11:05 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Mamzelle

We have to find a pretext, subtext, text-- to keep 'em out."


We have to get over our fear of the charge of "racism" when it is our survival at stake...which it will be soon enough.


8 posted on 07/12/2004 3:13:01 PM PDT by millefleur
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To: Mamzelle

OK..you're correct..I see where you're going with that line of thougth..but IMHO it's still a non-starter..Look..a part, possible a big part of Islam is rotten, evil..what %..25-35%???? the point is..no outside influences will work unless the rest of Islam attempts to take it back..cast out the bad guys..


9 posted on 07/12/2004 3:20:52 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: ken5050

I would add one thing to this scenario, that as the non-Quebecois Canadians embrace 'multiculturalism',with it's current sympathies toward Muslims and against Jews and others, including Christians, many of us in this 'new' Muslim sympathizer US/Canadian amalgamation (now fully and openly Socialist) will be brushing up on our high school French and buying warmer winter clothing for our own immigration to Quebec. And of course, France (now fully Muslim) and the US/Canada group will have mended their friendship, so sorely tested during what will be regarded by them as the dark era of Muslim 'persecution'.


10 posted on 07/12/2004 3:21:22 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Mamzelle

I agree. Trouble is, they're already in. And they've worked 'our' own system to their advantage - and against us.


12 posted on 07/12/2004 3:23:26 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Mamzelle

why then do US JEWS vote democratic en mass


13 posted on 07/12/2004 3:23:37 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: RalphieATL

90% of European Jews will emigrate to Israel..


14 posted on 07/12/2004 3:26:05 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: y2k_free_radical

It's changing....rapidly..


16 posted on 07/12/2004 3:27:44 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: RalphieATL

If Israel doesn't exist in 2050..then the mideast also won't exist..Israel will RESPOND, if not Pre-empt..NEVER AGAIN..means exactly that..


17 posted on 07/12/2004 3:30:12 PM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: veronica

No one wants to talk about it, but France will need to be disarmed so the Moslems can't get control of the nukes. We're talking a war against France, where troops will need to land on the beaches and secure the nukes.

And I don't see France voluntarily disarming.


18 posted on 07/12/2004 4:00:54 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: ken5050

This article is dead on. I have family in 3 of those countries, and they want these people gone. They also agree with the reasons why they are flooding their countries.
I've tried to explain that they may hate our war a little less, if they stopped to realize that unless we can provide a decent place for these folks, it's impossible to drain the swamp.
Unlike our countries where our taxes fund our government,
the handful of people called "their" government don't need these people at all.
I think our guys should show them a video of Norway.
The whole country lives extremely well off the fruits of the oil.


19 posted on 07/12/2004 4:43:00 PM PDT by Bogey
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To: ken5050
"...no side influences will work unless the rest of Islam attempts to take it back..cast out the bad guys.."

That is of course the problem...the rest of Islam.

20 posted on 07/12/2004 5:01:30 PM PDT by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: Mamzelle
An ounce of rhetoric, well done, is worth a ton of bullets. There are 1.5 BBBillion Muslims in the world. 15 million Jews. If we could get the rhetoric in gear, convincingly-- "Islam is Fascism. Islam is oppression and tyranny"-- that'd at least keep Muslims from entering the country. And we're looking at making parts of America like France (Dearborn, Mich and Loudon County, Va) We can't discriminate as to "religion", but we can discriminate as to subversiveness. We have to find a pretext, subtext, text-- to keep 'em out.

Well, we have to use both. You just cannot use infantry, cavalry and artilery singly, it does not work.

As for 15 million jews killing with bullets 1.5 billion nazies, it can be done. Jews are as much part of the winning team as anyone. We cannot let ourselves be intimidated by this game.

In fact, rhetoricaly speaking the islamofascists have already sealed their fate: they have pleaded not guilty, and thus now a trial is underway effectively to prove the contrary. On the other hand, we have not pleaded anything anyway. They can try to torture us to extort a plea and a subsequent confession, but that does not work. Because divisions will occur in their camp as people will see that pleading is simply the stupidest thing you can do and will be united thus.

21 posted on 07/12/2004 5:06:17 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: veronica

So, when Islam takes over France does it then inherit France's nukes to do with as it sees fit?


22 posted on 07/12/2004 5:06:19 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: JudgemAll

In other words, no plea, no trial, just legitimate warfare and patience greater than theirs.


23 posted on 07/12/2004 5:07:45 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: veronica

"He contends Muslims want revenge for being pushed off the continent centuries ago. "The fact is that from the Moslem point of view there is no such thing as defeat," Weyrich explains. "You just wait your turn and you move again -- and they are moving again."


I believe he is right. Muslims are taking a multi-prong attack to make themselves the majority.


24 posted on 07/12/2004 5:08:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: DoctorMichael
So, when Islam takes over France does it then inherit France's nukes to do with as it sees fit?

WEll, they see it fit that muslims become French trained military elites in their midsts... so, that really becomes a detail, an important detail symbolizing the foly of it all, but a detail.

25 posted on 07/12/2004 5:09:18 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: JudgemAll

The Muslims (and I include the great silent tacitly-approving Muslim majority) are misbegotten children of disaster! What other people on earth, are so inhuman!!? Not even the Huns, not even the Mongols, killed their own young in ritual suicide murder!! When are we going to cease to being so goshawful PC? Kill the evildoers!!

Islam IS as Islam DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 07/12/2004 5:20:00 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: sergeantdave
No one wants to talk about it, but France will need to be disarmed so the Moslems can't get control of the nukes. We're talking a war against France, where troops will need to land on the beaches and secure the nukes.

I remember back in the 1970's and 1980's, the term "Islamic Bomb" where it meant that a Moslem nation gets an A-Bomb or H-Bomb via the black market or by building it on their own. Despite Pakistan succeeding in 1998, I think it would be easier and more profitable for them to bide their time and take over such a nation like France. I know not only France has atomic bombs but also has the capability to produce as well as have H-bombs. Why go through all the work of secret research and production or hunting down someone in the black market when all you got to do is play the political cards to get even more nukes?
27 posted on 07/12/2004 5:21:59 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: ken5050
Here's a long term prediction..Canada breaks up..as the separatist movement in Quebec finally wins a referendum,a nd the Western provinces get sick of les Quebecois...the western provinces join the US, and 95 % of non Muslim France emigrates to Quebec..

And then the new Ice Age begins forcing them to move south into the US.

28 posted on 07/12/2004 5:22:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ken5050
I'm with ken5050 one hundred percent. However, the problem with Quebec as a refuge is that it is filling up with Moslems too; they are welcomed there if they speak French and the North African Moslems as well as many sub-Saharan Africans speak French.
29 posted on 07/12/2004 5:43:30 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: veronica

The only good I see coming out of all of this is we conservatives get to say "told you so" to the women's rights movement, which is about to be set back by about ONE THOUSAND YEARS.

Go ahead girls. Vote for Kerry/Edwards and your own doom. It won't be me wearing the burka. Baby.


30 posted on 07/12/2004 5:51:22 PM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: veronica

Soon it will be illegal (first in Western Europe) for him to say these things.


31 posted on 07/12/2004 5:53:06 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad)
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To: Guillermo

PC (stinking) thinking is the lynchpin of the whole thing: You cannot check MUSLIMS at airports; you cannot stop them at the borders; you cannot round them up and tuck them in at Manzanar; you cannot even arrest the chest-beaters in the mosques who are trying to foment jihad in the US??? Why oh why? I heard Madeleine L'Engle say, once, at a lecture -- "I am NOT PC. I follow a man who was SO not-PC that they crucified Him." It is up to those of us who see clearly to speak the truth again and again. We cannot make people HEAR it, but we can never stop speaking it. imho


32 posted on 07/12/2004 7:06:49 PM PDT by bboop
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33 posted on 07/12/2004 7:11:49 PM PDT by Consort
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To: veronica

btt


34 posted on 07/12/2004 7:13:28 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Mamzelle
We need to define Islam as an ideology (which it is) instead of a religion.

Unless we manage this, political correctness will be our downfall.

But what you suggest is precisely the PC thinking of today, which dare not confess Islam as a dangerous and territorially expansionist sect. You need to give up your delusions, here. See Islam for what it is.

As for Weyrich, he makes the obvious point. France's recent defense against Islam, and head-gear, was based not on the principles of Catholic France, but that of Napoleon and Revolution!, The Terror. The downfall of France will come if none rise to restore that religious defense against religious Islam. And it may happen, in France, and in Germany. They may yet rise to the occasion. There is prophecy suggesting just that. For the present, the French suffer their own leadership. I don't really think the heart of the French is gone.

Spain, now, is another matter. After pulling out due to the recent bombing, after appearing as if the terrorists could literally order them around, this might be a country that would surrender if somebody shouting - Allah! - walks in goes - Boo! Spain could be done as a nation. This was the country of Ferd and Isabella, setting Columbus adrift just years after they beat back the last of the major Islamic armies that threatened all of Europe, for centuries. This is obviously not that Spain.

35 posted on 07/12/2004 7:37:31 PM PDT by sevry
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To: Nowhere Man

Of course, it'll be interesting to see if they can continue to assure the standards and quality needed to make nuclear weapons. Islam has no technology it didn't acquire from the west and their own attempts at indigeneous industry are a thorough train wreck. Look for Europe to regress technologically as well as socially when it falls. That may be the only thing that saves us.


36 posted on 07/12/2004 7:53:53 PM PDT by coydog (End Single-Party rule in Canada!)
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To: coydog
Of course, it'll be interesting to see if they can continue to assure the standards and quality needed to make nuclear weapons. Islam has no technology it didn't acquire from the west and their own attempts at indigeneous industry are a thorough train wreck. Look for Europe to regress technologically as well as socially when it falls. That may be the only thing that saves us.

I know the Moslem world had been a bastion of knowledge 1000 years ago or so, they were ahead of Europe at that time. Even today, they are no dummies but what would hold them back as you stated is they have a crutch where everything that happens is "the will of Allah." I've heard stories that when we are teaching the Egyptians on how to run and maintain the M1 tanks we sell them, it is a headache to impress upon them that the tanks need to have preventative maintenance every so often. The oil needs changed, the tracks need to be replaced, this needs overhauled every 100,000 miles, etc. I was discussing this with a friend one night and he pointed this out to me where if a tank or a truck breaks down, it isn't due to lack of maintenance (even if that is really the cause of it) but it is because of "the will of Allah."

I know nukes need maintenance, especially H-bombs, you need to put in new tritium every so often since that isotope of hydrogen has a half-life of 10.8 years (or around there) although the fission core can "still go boom" for maybe the size of a Hiroshima blast (12 to 20 kilotons) although there are some fission weapons that can get up to 500 kiloton yields. I'm not familiar with what France has to comment on their weapon yields.

Still maybe that could be our saving grace although society as we know it will collapse and hopefully we can prevent that or at least have enough damage control in the US (North America)to be able to weather the storm. I'm afraid if Europe keeps on having loads on Moslems come in and not assimilating to their new homes, they are doomed. I have nothing against ethic heritage, but when immigrants came to North America, they became part of society instead of importing what they had in the Old Country and trying to create the same things they had there. I mean if they do that, what's the point of immigrating anyways?
37 posted on 07/12/2004 8:09:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Nowhere Man

When I see them moving in convoys on TV, it's usually in those Toyota mini-trucks that take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. Everything else has broken down. Heh... if we cut off their Toyota imports, they'd be back to horses, donkeys and camels. That would be fine with me. They've proven that in the long term their system and world-view inhibits them from managing anything more complex than that.


38 posted on 07/12/2004 8:27:32 PM PDT by coydog (End Single-Party rule in Canada!)
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To: veronica
The result... could be a Muslim majority in several European countries within the next decade or so.

Good. Just let me know When it starts tipping, so I can pull up my easy chair, and nosh on some popcorn.

39 posted on 07/12/2004 8:39:29 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: Guillermo
Explain to me why i should really give a damn how many islamists live in Europe ? Far as I'm concerned it just concentrates our enemies.
40 posted on 07/12/2004 9:08:54 PM PDT by newfarm4000n (Taxes for social security is theft)
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