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Office Messes (Attention Deficit Disorder & ADHD, long read)
NY Times ^ | July 18, 2004 | LISA BELKIN

Posted on 07/17/2004 11:43:25 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: paulsy

You sound a lot like me, except that I've never been treated for this disorder. Other people at work seem to have little trouble keeping up with all the details of projects that to me often seem hopelessly complicated.


41 posted on 07/18/2004 8:35:43 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: -YYZ-

Your example is not typical of what is normally "diagnosed" as ADD/ADHD. We do not have millions of children getting up in the middle of the night and rocking back and forth for hours.


42 posted on 07/18/2004 8:41:41 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: paulsy

New medication available now.

http://www.strattera.com/1_4_adult_adhd/screener.jsp?ccd=adultadd275


43 posted on 07/18/2004 9:01:13 AM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: paulsy

It was mentioned in the article. It's a selective norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitor. It's generic name is atomoxetine. It's trade name is STRATTERA. It's NOT listed as a stimulant. It's NOT an amphetamine or amphetamine derivative to the best of my knowledge. BTW, norepinephrine is also called noradrenaline. Good luck


44 posted on 07/18/2004 9:24:45 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Educating my co-workers about my condition so they will get a better understanding of it.

Where's the BARF alert???

45 posted on 07/18/2004 9:35:36 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: thoughtomator
"We do not have millions of children getting up in the middle of the night and rocking back and forth for hours."

First, what do you know about what is happening in a million households besides your own? And I believe YYZ used the phrase "That's just one little example"

Thanks for LisaAnn and neverdem for the link. One of my 3 kids also has it, but we're not medicating them, we home school and are teaching them organizational and behavior habits before we ever would give them medication. That's something I'd advise anyone with this condition: Learn good habits, go as far as you can with good habits; don't blame others; and don't get lazy with dependence on medication. Good habits and reasonable medication can probably help quite a bit.

46 posted on 07/18/2004 9:43:47 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: paulsy

Let's just say I find it beyond plausible that a brand-new disorder should suddenly emerge in millions of people, and almost exclusively in one very diverse country, when it had never been mentioned before in the history of the human race, and a much more plausible explanation - that teachers and parents use this as a method of making children more susceptible to control, and as an excuse for their own failures - is staring us in the face.


47 posted on 07/18/2004 9:58:01 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: paulsy

Oh, and this all happens at right about the time that all these neat-o pharmaceuticals are made to treat it, and an exploding psychology industry needs a justification for its existence.

Sorry, I just don't buy it. Some kids have real problems, but ADD/ADHD is not one of them.


48 posted on 07/18/2004 9:59:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: fso301
Once they get the coveted management position, they do nothing about the underlying work environment because the same combination of disinterest and unsuitability for the original task makes them equally unsuitable to correct problems in the work environments they're now responsible for.

Wheras in more egalitarian outfits, like archiecture firms, for example, the partners will do a line of meth with the associates and interns.

49 posted on 07/18/2004 10:02:30 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Piranha
Can you summarize this article?

I'm too busy perfectly lining up the soup can labels in the cupboard.

50 posted on 07/18/2004 10:03:08 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: mikegi
"''There is a tremendous difference between having some of the qualities and having the disorder. What we are talking about here is chronic, it's prevalent, it causes severe impairment.''

Educating my co-workers about my condition so they will get a better understanding of it.

Where's the BARF alert???

None indicated for those who want to get some understanding and the ability to distinguish between normal behavior, especially in young males, and folks who are significantly impaired in the activities of daily living.

I was sceptical at first of the validity of the diagnosis. I think it may still be overdiagnosed, e.g. normal boys tagged with ADHD, and worse, forced to take drugs. But I'm increasingly convinced that there's a segment of the population that can't cope, and that it's not a character flaw or failure of will.

51 posted on 07/18/2004 10:11:40 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: webstersII

That's the first I'd ever heard this (not that I've actively looked for it). But I'd always wondered how on earth stimulants were supposed to make someone more focused -- I always thought it'd be the opposite.


52 posted on 07/18/2004 10:18:44 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: ExtremeUnction
I'm too busy perfectly lining up the soup can labels in the cupboard.

That's an example of an obsessive/compulsive trait. If it's such a big deal that you ignore really important things to do, e.g. turn off the water in the bathtub and regularly flood your bathroom, that's a disorder.

53 posted on 07/18/2004 10:19:44 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Most of the problems appear to actually be EMD.

Excuse Making Disorder


54 posted on 07/18/2004 10:25:32 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

And a few Sight Hounds...


55 posted on 07/18/2004 10:27:54 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

56 posted on 07/18/2004 10:42:13 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: neverdem
I was sceptical at first of the validity of the diagnosis. I think it may still be overdiagnosed, e.g. normal boys tagged with ADHD, and worse, forced to take drugs. But I'm increasingly convinced that there's a segment of the population that can't cope, and that it's not a character flaw or failure of will.

It's definitely overdiagnosed. My wife's niece was properly diagnosed with ADHD. She is mentally retarded but with an aggressive bent. Her father, who was not the husband at the time, died in prison and the mom was also difficult, so there is a family history of problems.

The part about little boys having more ADHD is bogus. My daughter is almost five so I get to see the behavior of kids all the time. Yes, most of the boys misbehave but it is due to two things: the moms have no concept of discipline and the kids don't have sleep routines.

The lack of meaningful discipline causes most of the problems. I don't know how many times I hear moms say "Stop doing that, stop doing that ... 1 ... 2 ... 3", then nothing happens. The kids realize that there are no consequences to bad behavior. They have no guidance on good behavior. Kids naturally want to stretch boundaries and its our job as parents to show them the boundaries. You tell your child that what they're doing is wrong *one time* and what the consequences will be if the behavior continues. If they continue to misbehave, then you begin the consequences *without* negotiation.

The other cause of bad behavior is the lack of regular sleeping schedules. Kids need a routine so that they get a good nights sleep. When our daughter's schedule gets disrupted, she displays some of the ADHD symptoms the next day (defiance, overly emotional). Many if not most of the families around here have chaotic sleep schedules. Their kids don't go to sleep at a relatively fixed time, etc. so they are just tired all day.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now...

57 posted on 07/18/2004 10:46:27 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Bingo


58 posted on 07/18/2004 11:09:21 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: searchandrecovery

And you could also have D.A.M. - Mothers Against Dyslexia


59 posted on 07/18/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by mean lunch lady (Stupidity is not a handicap - park elsewhere!)
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To: thoughtomator

I think you are ignorant of the issues that I and a lot of other people face every day. I can see a clear difference, just between my 3 kids. 2 don't have it, one does. You don't know what you are talking about.


60 posted on 07/18/2004 1:01:26 PM PDT by paulsy
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