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When One (baby) Is Enough (ultimate in cold selfishness)
nytimes ^ | July 18, 2004 | AMY RICHARDS as told to AMY BARRETT

Posted on 07/18/2004 11:39:14 AM PDT by dennisw

July 18, 2004 LIVES When One Is Enough By AMY RICHARDS as told to AMY BARRETT

I grew up in a working-class family in Pennsylvania not knowing my father. I have never missed not having him. I firmly believe that, but for much of my life I felt that what I probably would have gained was economic security and with that societal security. Growing up with a single mother, I was always buying into the myth that I was going to be seduced in the back of a pickup truck and become pregnant when I was 16. I had friends when I was in school who were helping to rear nieces and nephews, because their siblings, who were not much older, were having babies. I had friends from all over the class spectrum: I saw the nieces and nephews on the one hand and country-club memberships and station wagons on the other. I felt I was in the middle. I had this fear: What would it take for me to just slip?

Now I'm 34. My boyfriend, Peter, and I have been together three years. I'm old enough to presume that I wasn't going to have an easy time becoming pregnant. I was tired of being on the pill, because it made me moody. Before I went off it, Peter and I talked about what would happen if I became pregnant, and we both agreed that we would have the child.

I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician. The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a long pause, then she said, ''Are you sure you didn't take fertility drugs?'' I said, ''I'm positive.'' Peter and I were very shocked when she said there were three. ''You know, this changes everything,'' she said. ''You'll have to see a specialist.''

My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March. I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April. I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year. There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that. But it was a matter of, Do I want to?

I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ''Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.

Having felt physically fine up to this point, I got on the subway afterward, and all of a sudden, I felt ill. I didn't want to eat anything. What I was going through seemed like a very unnatural experience. On the subway, Peter asked, ''Shouldn't we consider having triplets?'' And I had this adverse reaction: ''This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say, but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I was already at eight weeks. When I found out about the triplets, I felt like: It's not the back of a pickup at 16, but now I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep down I was ever considering it.

The specialist called me back at 10 p.m. I had just finished watching a Boston Pops concert at Symphony Hall. As everybody burst into applause, I watched my cellphone vibrating, grabbed it and ran into the lobby. He told me that he does a detailed sonogram before doing a selective reduction to see if one fetus appears to be struggling. The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus. There are a lot more complications when a woman carries multiples. And so, from the doctor's perspective, it's a matter of trying to save the woman this trauma. After I talked to the specialist, I told Peter, ''That's what I'm going to do.'' He replied, ''What we're going to do.'' He respected what I was going through, but at a certain point, he felt that this was a decision we were making. I agreed.

When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand alone was three days older. There was something psychologically comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one. Before the procedure, I was focused on relaxing. But Peter was staring at the sonogram screen thinking: Oh, my gosh, there are three heartbeats. I can't believe we're about to make two disappear. The doctor came in, and then Peter was asked to leave. I said, ''Can Peter stay?'' The doctor said no. I know Peter was offended by that.

Two days after the procedure, smells no longer set me off and I no longer wanted to eat nothing but sour-apple gum. I went on to have a pretty seamless pregnancy. But I had a recurring feeling that this was going to come back and haunt me. Was I going to have a stillbirth or miscarry late in my pregnancy?

I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming pregnant again is terrifying. Am I going to have quintuplets? I would do the same thing if I had triplets again, but if I had twins, I would probably have twins. Then again, I don't know.


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To: DannyTN
This woman will wonder about the other two the rest of her life.

No she won't. Not in the context you're thinking of, anyway.

301 posted on 07/18/2004 8:24:07 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: dano1
Richards is a board member of Planned Parenthood and other similar organizations, and a long time pro-abortion activist.

Yep. She took fertility drugs, alright. What ya wanna bet?

302 posted on 07/18/2004 8:26:53 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: dennisw

I loudly expressed my outrage about this article among my NAARL-supporting in-laws this morning.

Working on adopting a kid puts this sort of thing in an entirely different perspective, my wife and I agreed. "Oh boo hoo, birth control makes my tummy hurt, boo hoo, I live on a fifth-floor walk-up, boo hoo, my budget will be pinched, let's kill off two of them."

What I found interesting was the doctor's refusal to allow the boyfriend to witness the hired killing of his unborn children. You can have "choice," apparently, as long as you don't look too hard at what you're choosing.


303 posted on 07/18/2004 8:27:18 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: not_apathetic_anymore

I'm sure we would all agree that such a scenario would be terribly difficult to deal with - but to me an intra-abdominal pregnancy is the same as an ectopic, the baby cannot survive to term and it would likely kill the mother if allowed to progress. What a sad thing...the handful of women I know who have had ectopics had wanted their babies very much and terminating them to save their own lives and future fertility was a crushing thing nonetheless.

If only science could find a way to transplant the little one into the uterus...until then, there is no other choice in such a situation.


304 posted on 07/18/2004 8:28:53 PM PDT by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: cpforlife.org
Laura Bush is Pro-Abortion. She said on the TODAY Show a few years back that she believes Roe v Wade should not be overturned.

I was referring specifically to Laura's concern for her own children in utero, but your point is well-taken. I wonder if anyone has asked her lately, or if she has expressed her opinion on this subject more recently than your citation. I do find it troubling, as I'm sure you do as well, that some if not many pro-life politicians have pro-choice wives. That has always bothered me; but as long as the candidate is pro-life, what choice do we have? The alternative is much worse.

305 posted on 07/18/2004 8:29:49 PM PDT by I-53 (How public, like a frog)
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To: Clemenza
I say we tie theoir tubes, people should have exams before they are permoitted to have sex or kids.

Sterilize liberals should be our mantra.

306 posted on 07/18/2004 8:36:20 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: dennisw
And I had this adverse reaction: ''This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say, but I'd have to give up my life.''

So, she doesn't have to "give up her life[style]" for one kid? She had no business having child(ren).

I pity this child growing up. "Mommy really has to work, Honey. Go play with the nanny"

What a murdering wench.

307 posted on 07/18/2004 8:42:27 PM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Hey, how about we find out where she lives and send her some! She'll never have to worry about mayonnaise again!

Excellent idea!

308 posted on 07/18/2004 8:46:17 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
This is the sort of circumstance under which Jewish law allows for abortion. It is repeated three times in the Talmud that if someone is coming to kill you, you should arise quickly and kill him first.

In intra-abdominal or ectopic pregnancies, the unborn child falls into the category of rodef, one pursuing the mother to kill her.

309 posted on 07/18/2004 8:48:44 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DameAutour

Great! I really hope her mailbox is chock full of responses from this article!


310 posted on 07/18/2004 9:01:01 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: dennisw

I think I'm going to be sick....


311 posted on 07/18/2004 9:02:18 PM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27

Intellectually I know what you say is true, but with an ectopic the ectopic (at least the ones I've seen) they were usually earlier (smaller) and not removed intact.

It was a lot more bothersome to me to see an about 3.5 inch or so formed (and still moving) being removed.


312 posted on 07/18/2004 9:08:09 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

You're talking to one actually from a long time ago and I know plenty others.

Of course there are men who a) don't care anyway or b) do want the woman to "get rid of it" but that was not what I was adressing nor was that the gist of this article. In this article the man is the only one described as maybe not wanting this and is told to leave.

Now I'm not pointing out this to you specifically but as you know I am indeed very old school and do hold opinions that indeed do have exceptions and I do sometimes generalize but I can remember when it was okay to do that without having to equivocate every alternative example.

I don't beat up chicks as a rule but the worst fight i ever saw was in 12th grade between two huge black chicks who tore each other's clothes off and stabbed one another with pencils.

I think abortion is killing and in the end unless a man is holding a gun to the woman's head.....she and the abortionist are doing the killing. So much for kinder and gentler.....nearly 40 million dead babies later and not one ever aborted by a pregnant man.

just calling a spade a spade...can I say that?

lots of folks are to blame for infanticide but in the end it's mom's "choice" almost always.


313 posted on 07/18/2004 9:15:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (Bill Cosby for Black Culture Czar!)
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To: cyborg

after thinking about it and responding to DOIJV, I now think in hindsight this double murderer should have hired a handmaiden for her beau.

....in fact, I know more than a few gals including some spoiled shop and tennis only soccer moms on my street who could use one as well.

...we could end up that way one day....I truly know a few DINK couples where I betcha the woman would consider it if the scorn factor were absent.


314 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (Bill Cosby for Black Culture Czar!)
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To: wardaddy

Maybe you didn't read the entire thread, but if you did, you may have noticed that I defended the man in this story (as much as he could be defended). And I think that ultimately, yes, it is the woman who does the real deciding.

The "hit me" thing was a joke. I'm not a-scared of you, wardaddy. ; )


315 posted on 07/18/2004 9:26:58 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: The Right Stuff

Do you mean the whole thread?


316 posted on 07/18/2004 9:27:25 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: wardaddy

In reading this story again, I find this woman unbelievable. How much could a nanny have possibly cost? I'm not a betting woman but I'll say she and boyfriend don't stay together long.


317 posted on 07/18/2004 9:31:31 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; cyborg

I am harmless and have been ruled by your gender voluntarily for several decades.

Oddly, now with 2 manchildren in the household growing up and strutting around, I've found I have to be more alpha than I used to with only daughters.

Dad has to be a loving hombre for young lads or else they will run the house in short order.

I'm taking the 4 year old with me on business scouting for two nights tommorow and leaving the 18 month old with mom. Hope he doesn't get too homesick away from mommy. Mommies are everything at that age no doubt.


318 posted on 07/18/2004 9:32:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (Bill Cosby for Black Culture Czar!)
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To: dennisw

Evil woman.


319 posted on 07/18/2004 9:33:28 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: wardaddy

Not that I would know, but I hear raising boys is harder than raising girls.


320 posted on 07/18/2004 9:34:09 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

It's a power trip. She did it "because she could," and wanted to.


321 posted on 07/18/2004 9:34:42 PM PDT by I-53 (How public, like a frog)
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To: I-53

exactly


322 posted on 07/18/2004 9:36:06 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: wardaddy

Well, you two have a good time and for heaven's sake, stay out of trouble. LOL


323 posted on 07/18/2004 9:41:41 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; wardaddy

The boy has his grin already. That could be trouble.


324 posted on 07/18/2004 9:42:46 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: litany_of_lies
Now that another poster has identified Ms. Richards as a bit of a feminist icon (after all, she's on the campus lecture circuit, one of the ultimate badges of liberalism), it's possible the Times thought that her "star power" might somehow be persuasive.

All I know is that successful people do not live in fifth-floor walk-ups in the East Village when they're in their mid-30s. I had a better place than that at the age of 23, and I was by no means rolling in cash or prestige.

If Amy Richards is what qualifies as a "successful" feminist these days, then we're succeeding beyond our wildest dreams in taking the country back from the hard left.

325 posted on 07/18/2004 9:51:03 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ˇ°ml maximizeˇ± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
Radical feminists have distorted the aims of the feminist movement to suit their wacko ideas

Exactly! Today's "feminist movement" is anything but feminine. Instead, it's all about turning women into men.

326 posted on 07/18/2004 10:27:07 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: dennisw
Why not keep one and put the other two up for adoption? It's not like she was facing "shame" for bringing a pregnancy to term.

Her sole rationale was "I'm too important to take time off for this". She probably could have even gotten financial assistance from some charities to offset any lost wages.

It is a life, not a choice.

327 posted on 07/18/2004 10:39:04 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dennisw
He told me that he does a detailed sonogram before doing a selective reduction to see if one fetus appears to be struggling. The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus. There are a lot more complications when a woman carries multiples. And so, from the doctor's perspective, it's a matter of trying to save the woman this trauma.

This is nothing but a CYA Policy (Cover Your Ass). He wants to be able to stand before a court down the road and justify murdering 2 healthy children. "Could have caused complications". "Mental stress". "Seemed to be struggling". "She WANTED it done; I was only following orders."

328 posted on 07/18/2004 10:42:54 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dennisw
I had a boy, and everything is fine.

Saying it doesn't make it so. His 2 brothers are classified as "rotting tissue" someplace.

329 posted on 07/18/2004 10:44:42 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: GVgirl
Wonder if she'll ever tell the kid his siblings were killed in the womb.

Word searches are much easier now that we are in the "information age". She'd better tell him before he finds this on the internet himself.

I could easily see a grade school student searching online article for mentions of his family/relatives for some project. Even if he confines his search to New York newspapers, he'll find this match.

She should have remained anonymous in her article to hide her crime.

What will he say when he learns that his 2 other brothers are dead because mom didn't want to stay in bed?

330 posted on 07/18/2004 10:49:35 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dano1

If the follows the leftist path..

it will be nominated and recieve a prize of some form.

then it will be revealed as a total fabrication.


331 posted on 07/18/2004 10:53:55 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: litany_of_lies
So, pro-aborts, here's your poster child. Ya like how it looks?

I've already posted the "medical" excuses that the doctor would use to justify his actions. She kept the one who was up to 3 days older. They could have been struggling, she could have had complications, it could have given her mental stress worrying about it...

By the pro-aborts position, this would be classified as a "difficult pregnancy".

332 posted on 07/18/2004 10:55:45 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dennisw

Sickening. And I work in Iraq.


333 posted on 07/18/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO City...)
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To: weegee

She lived in NYC. I know a few women who would have made excellent nannies. In fact, she could have sponsored an au pair or guest worker nanny. Baby nurses are in ample supply. All there is to this is that she is a cold hearted bitch.


334 posted on 07/18/2004 10:57:38 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: mvpel
I don't see the boyfriend in her life in 20 years. I don't think that he will be willing to sign off on custody either.

I can't say who will get custody but I could actually see him apologizing to his son at some future point in time.

The quotes in the article seem to indicate that abortion was not his first answer and that he was aware that these kids would be murdered.

335 posted on 07/18/2004 10:58:54 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dennisw

Heartless bitch. She doesn't deserve the title "mother". God have mercy on her soul.


336 posted on 07/18/2004 11:00:50 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: dennisw

The babies were an inconvenience.........as is the norm for abortions. "Health of the mother" my ass.........it's ALL about convenience.


337 posted on 07/18/2004 11:03:05 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Cacique

Margaret Sanger was also a proponent of forced sterilization.


338 posted on 07/18/2004 11:04:31 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dennisw

What a sad story. I have 3 children. Each of them was, and is, a precious and unique individual. They are my pride and joy, and now the oldest has compounded that joy by giving me two beautiful grandbabies.
They are worth incomparably more than the work and occasional annoyance that has gone into raising them. I cannot imagine denying this to oneself.
On her 100th birthday, my grandmother was asked by a reporter what the best thing was about to living to that great age. At first, her old-fashioned Irish wit came out and she said, "you can get way with nearly anything when people know you're that old," then she became more reflective and said, "It's really getting to see your children grow old themselves."
Grammy is 103 now, btw, and doing fine. I am very lucky to still have a grandparent at my age (55) and I hope I can do as well in the years to come.


339 posted on 07/18/2004 11:07:06 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: I-53
This is the mind of pro-choice America.

Exterminate, Exterminate!

340 posted on 07/18/2004 11:12:18 PM PDT by reg45
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To: GVgirl
Wonder if she'll ever tell the kid his siblings were killed in the womb and that if the coin had flipped the other way, HE would never have been born!

As for me, I'd love to be the one to tell him about his "brothers".

341 posted on 07/18/2004 11:18:32 PM PDT by reg45
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To: dennisw

Just effen damn! Shit!


342 posted on 07/18/2004 11:23:03 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: reg45
"Exterminate, Exterminate!"

Indeed. NARAL and other abortion proponents now credit legalized abortion with reducing the crime rate. This at least is a relatively honest statement of their intent, but not honest enough.

Suppose that 30 years ago, some law-and-order politician had stood up and declared, "Hey, I have a great idea for reducing crime! Let's kill every third black, brown, or poor white baby who is conceived in this country. That'll thin 'em out!"

There would have been riots and howls of racism, the miscreant would have been run out of public life (if not worse) and rightly so. Yet this is exactly what was done, and the proponents of this genocide are cheered and praised rather than hanged.

So far.

343 posted on 07/18/2004 11:23:37 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

This is the future of the designer baby movement.


344 posted on 07/18/2004 11:26:05 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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First, the NY Times is publishing this article now because liberals believe that if abortion becomes an issue in an election year it will help earn them swing votes.

Secondly, as a person who draws a distinction between abortions at 4+ weeks and abortions performed after only a few days, this story really shakes me. I imagine many of you would scorn my views the same way I detest this terrible woman's view. How much of a distinction can one draw between injecting KCl into the heart of a fetus and chemically ceasing the development of a blastocyst?


345 posted on 07/18/2004 11:30:22 PM PDT by twgiles
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To: twgiles
I'm not attacking, but merely want to ask you a fair question.

At what point does the conceived entity become a human?

346 posted on 07/18/2004 11:34:34 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Middle of the night PING


347 posted on 07/18/2004 11:43:14 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

That will alway be the eternal question. At what point is that single fertilized cell different than any other cell in your body? And you loose cells all the time via sneezing, urinating, coughing, scratching, etc.


348 posted on 07/18/2004 11:48:12 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

That will alway be the eternal question. At what point is that single fertilized cell different than any other cell in your body? And you loose cells all the time via sneezing, urinating, coughing, scratching, etc.


349 posted on 07/18/2004 11:48:42 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: dennisw

What I wouldn't give to have more babies---and have to move to Staten Island and never leave the house (except for mayonnaise).


350 posted on 07/19/2004 12:07:00 AM PDT by Graymatter (Dick Cheney can be president. Words to live by.)
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