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Archives Staff Was Suspicious of Berger
Washington Post ^ | July 22, 2004 | John F. Harris and Susan Schmidt

Posted on 07/21/2004 9:25:10 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis

Last Oct. 2, former Clinton national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger stayed huddled over papers at the National Archives until 8 p.m.

What he did not know as he labored through that long Thursday was that the same Archives employees who were solicitously retrieving documents for him were also watching their important visitor with a suspicious eye.

After Berger's previous visit, in September, Archives officials believed documents were missing. This time, they specially coded the papers to more easily tell whether some went missing, said government officials and legal sources familiar with the case.

The notion of one of Washington's most respected foreign policy figures being subjected to treatment that had at least a faint odor of a sting operation is a strange one. But the peculiarities -- and conflicting versions of events and possible motives -- were just then beginning in a case that this week bucked Berger out of an esteemed position as a leader of the Democratic government-in-waiting that had assembled around presidential nominee John F. Kerry.

As his attorneys tell it, Berger had no idea in October that documents were missing from the Archives, or that archivists suspected him in the disappearance. It was not until two days later, on Saturday, Oct. 4, that he was contacted by Archives employees who said that they were concerned about missing files, from his September and October visits. This call -- in Berger's version of the chronology, which is disputed in essential respects by a government official with knowledge of the investigation -- was made with a tone of concern, but not accusation.

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1 posted on 07/21/2004 9:25:10 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis
Heeheehee...Susan Schmidt hot on the trail. Wasn't she the Washington Post reporter who covered all the unravelling details from the Clinton-Monica scandals.

She's pretty good.

2 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:25 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Remember_Salamis
Key points

The drafts of the millenium report would have had different info then is in the final report, which still exists.

Berger apparantly purged the archives of all copies of those earlier drafts. There must have been something incriminating in those earlier drafts.

The idea that on two separate visits all the copies of the drafts are taken and later all the copies can't be found is completely ludicrous.

Bigger than Watergate, imo.

3 posted on 07/21/2004 9:31:28 PM PDT by lunatic12
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To: Remember_Salamis
"This is a terrible experience for him, and he's embarrassed by his mistakes," Lockhart said, "but I think he also feels a sense of injustice that after building a reputation as a tireless defender of his country that many Republicans would try to assassinate his character to pursue their own ends."

What a bunch of evil traitors. How did we even survive the Clinton years?

4 posted on 07/21/2004 9:31:42 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Remember_Salamis

We have officially exceeded Watergate proportions with this story.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 9:31:42 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Remember_Salamis
"These allegations are deeply troubling, and it's our constitutional responsibility to find out what happened and why," [House Government Reform Committee Chairman Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) ] said in a statement.

How ironic that the 9-11 Commission report includes a chastisement of Congress for not properly performing their oversight duties. Now Davis can't back off an investigation without going against the report!

6 posted on 07/21/2004 9:31:50 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Remember_Salamis
How in the world are the Rats going to spin this one?

They will have to destroy the careers of government civil servants, which is supposed to be a constituency of the Rats.

There is no way the likes of Couric and Rather can spin this story. It comes from their side.
7 posted on 07/21/2004 9:32:42 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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"Berger has known for months that he was in potential jeopardy. Breuer was hired in October, and in January former White House press secretary Joe Lockhart was enlisted to remain on standby if a public controversy blossomed. But Berger allies said he did not inform Kerry because he had resolved to work privately with Justice Department officials, and received assurances that these officials would treat the matter confidentially."


8 posted on 07/21/2004 9:34:14 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis

This guy needs to burn...bad. I will be extremely disappointed in the President if his Justice Department does not do their job on this one.


9 posted on 07/21/2004 9:35:22 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep)
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To: lunatic12
They knew he was interested in all the versions of the millennium review, some of which bore handwritten notes from Clinton-era officials who had reviewed them.

What did the handwritten comments say and who said it? I think that's the pertinent question here.

I have to hand it to the Washington Compost. At least they're not printing the "it's all Bush's fault for leaking the investigation" DNC spin.
10 posted on 07/21/2004 9:35:34 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: kristinn; Mo1; Dog; A Citizen Reporter; All

FYI.


11 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:01 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: Remember_Salamis
"They devised a coding system and marked the documents they knew Berger was interested in canvassing, and watched him carefully. They knew he was interested in all the versions of the millennium review, some of which bore handwritten notes from Clinton-era officials who had reviewed them."

BINGO!

12 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:13 PM PDT by dano1
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To: The South Texan

The Rat spin is simple --- change the subject. Instead of why did Sandy Burglar put classified materials down his pants, they change the subject and ask why was the investigation leaked now? Bush knew! Therefore, it's all Bush's fault.

Cynical spinning. Their allies at the New York Slimes are aiding and abetting it.


13 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:17 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: what's up

He was seen stuffing classified documents into his clothes, and the best the dems can come up with is "the timing is suspicious"!


14 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:18 PM PDT by passionfruit (passionate about my politics, and from the land of fruits and nuts)
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To: Remember_Salamis
By January, the FBI had been brought in, and Berger found himself in a criminal investigation -- one that he chose not to tell Kerry's campaign about until this week.

This stinks to high heaven. Either he is lieing in order to protect Kerry, or he didn't tell Kerry in order to damage him?

A government official with knowledge of the investigation said Archives employees took action promptly after noticing a missing document in September. This official said an Archives employee called former White House deputy counsel Bruce Lindsey, who is former president Bill Clinton's liaison to the National Archives. The Archives employee said documents were missing and would have to be returned.

What in the holy hell? Why would they be calling Clinton insiders, instead of calling the FBI?
15 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:30 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: VaBthang4

40 or 50 pages????????


16 posted on 07/21/2004 9:39:06 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: what's up

If i'm not mistaken, Schmidt is also the reporter who first exposed Joe Wilson's lies a few weeks ago. Busy lady!


17 posted on 07/21/2004 9:39:16 PM PDT by rotstan
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To: Remember_Salamis

Is this really PAGE ONE???


18 posted on 07/21/2004 9:39:34 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: dano1
What did the handwritten comments say and who said it? I think that's the pertinent question here.

We may never know unless perhaps some decades hence Berger writes his memoirs from prison.

19 posted on 07/21/2004 9:39:45 PM PDT by dano1
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To: Sir Gawain
What a bunch of evil traitors. How did we even survive the Clinton years?

We haven't yet.

20 posted on 07/21/2004 9:39:49 PM PDT by plymaniac (W04)
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To: Remember_Salamis

The 9/11 Committee is so incompetent and full of grandstanders posing for the cameras that they wouldn't even recognize important pieces of data or drafts went missing. I doubt that Bob Kerrey read thru 50 pages of all the documents available. Jamie Gorelick probably purged her memos right before their eyes and they didn't take notice. Bunch of dupes.


21 posted on 07/21/2004 9:40:36 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: Remember_Salamis
At the end of the day, Archives employees determined that that draft and ALL four or five other versions of the millennium memo had disappeared from the files, this source said.
22 posted on 07/21/2004 9:40:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: GeronL

It's on Page A06.


23 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:06 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Remember_Salamis

I guess Berger needs to know what the meaning of 'honest' and 'missing' is.


24 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:09 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Peach; Southack
The classified documents were sensitive enough that employees arrived on a Sunday morning to pick them up.

Those are the papers that he returned that were NOT the ones that the NARA people thought were missing.

And if they came out and got them back, the ONLY reason that Berger would hire a lawyer is because he KNEW that those papers were not the ones they were looking for!

25 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:20 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: Remember_Salamis
you saw it here first:


berger planted false documents.

26 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:27 PM PDT by phxaz
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To: Howlin

Bill Clinton says he's known about this for months. Had a good laugh about it, too. Now I'm really going to bed.


27 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:30 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: conservative in nyc

Are you kidding?


28 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:38 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: rotstan
Yes, that was an excellent report.

I'm going to keep an eye out for her stories.

29 posted on 07/21/2004 9:41:47 PM PDT by what's up
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To: The South Texan

The DUmmies are dismissing the story because of the WP author. lol


30 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:23 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Remember_Salamis
But Berger allies said he did not inform Kerry because he had resolved to work privately with Justice Department officials

Or rather he wanted to make it big with the Kerry campaign, and if they had known that he was under investigation by the DOJ they would have shunned him like a leper.

31 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:26 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Peach

"We have officially exceeded Watergate proportions with this story."

LOL


Richard Ben-Veniste and Hillry Clinton "What did they know and when did they know it"?


32 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:30 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: lunatic12

But it was an accident, you know? He accidently kept taking the same report over and over.


33 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:34 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: lunatic12
This is definitely a major scandal, for this article not to be canned by the Editors of the WP is proof enough that this is a huge story
34 posted on 07/21/2004 9:42:37 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Traitors is exactly what they are.

Shameless.


35 posted on 07/21/2004 9:43:21 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: Howlin
No:

Archives Staff Was Suspicious of Berger

By John F. Harris and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 22, 2004; Page A06

36 posted on 07/21/2004 9:43:26 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Ping
"The notion of one of Washington's most respected foreign policy figures being subjected to treatment that had at least a faint odor of a sting operation is a strange one."

Looks like no matter how lame the idea, it's just as I suspected...

Now it will be interesting to see whether the Ashcroft DOJ inadvertently indicts Sandy Burglar...I count at least five felonies(five trips)
37 posted on 07/21/2004 9:43:48 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Howlin
Two nights ago I told you that this story would be "BIG"

Do you believe me yet ?

38 posted on 07/21/2004 9:43:52 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: The South Texan

Maybe if Couric and Rather mention sloppy enough times we'll forget about it and move on.


39 posted on 07/21/2004 9:43:53 PM PDT by swheats
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To: lunatic12

In or on... I am thinking that someone's handwritten scrawl on one of the drafts might be very very worrisome to a certain party or parties right now...


40 posted on 07/21/2004 9:44:32 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: Howlin

Yup. We have moved into another realm with direct confirmation from a legitimate source that he stole the same docs 4-5 times too.

I'm going to have to change my schedule around for the next few days.


41 posted on 07/21/2004 9:44:47 PM PDT by Peach
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To: VaBthang4
Is Berger on arksuicide watch yet?
42 posted on 07/21/2004 9:45:42 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Howlin

Have you read Rich Lowry's book Legacy? It opened my eyes about a lot of things I didn't know.


43 posted on 07/21/2004 9:45:42 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain; Joy Angela; Mia T

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Who says we have survived the CLINTON Years..?


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629


HILLARY & TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts

.


44 posted on 07/21/2004 9:45:54 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: MJY1288
Sort of. :-)

a case that this week bucked Berger out of an esteemed position as a leader of the Democratic government-in-waiting that had assembled around presidential nominee John F. Kerry.

BARF!!!

45 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:01 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: Sir Gawain

About stuff like this?


46 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:32 PM PDT by Howlin (~~~~Today is the day AFTER my sixth year FR anniversary~~~~)
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To: conservative in nyc
Here's the best theory I've heard;

Someone printed 10 copies of some proposal. The proposal was to actually DO something about the intelligence they had that Bin Laden & co. were trying to cause trouble at the Millenium celebrations (Dec. 2000).

The copies were circulated to the higher-ups, Berger, Allbright, Cohen, the usual suspects.

They all wrote their notes and reactions on their own copies, which amounted to "this won't go over", "we need to poll this", "Can't support this", etc. So there were 10 copies of the same doc, but with separate notes.,

Berger didn't want the Commission to see these notes, showing what poll slaves they were. So he pilfered all the copies.

47 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:34 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Notice that Lockhart has known since January -- kept his mouth shut until now, only to act surprised about the timing of it. Turns out Kerry camp released the info, not the White House or Republicans.

Hilllary says, "The timing speaks for itself." How true. Is she still expecting big fallout of Kerry/Edwards ticket?

Kerry speeches may have referenced specific details about quantity of incoming cargo shipments, percentage screened, etc. DNC Chairman wants documents released IAW Freedom of Information. What happens when we see Kerry speeches plagiarizing those documents that Berger took.

Put another log on. The campaign is heating up, and the Kerry camp is going to be feeling most of it...
48 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:40 PM PDT by detch
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To: phxaz

I've been asking for a couple of days how difficult it would be for Berger to insert a few pages. He know how to get them date/time stamped.

I think he's played a shell game. Admit to A while all the while doing B. We need to figure out B.


49 posted on 07/21/2004 9:46:57 PM PDT by Peach
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To: conservative in nyc
The Rat spin is simple --- change the subject...

The standby defense has been the "Everybody does it" defense. The Dems will find a similar incident, very small in consequence, with a republican staffer or admin staffer and spin the "well, everybody is doing it" line.

50 posted on 07/21/2004 9:47:00 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (It's my turn to decide what the common good is. My turn. My turn. My turn.)
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