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God is Not a Republican
Catholic way ^ | July 31, 2004 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 07/31/2004 7:55:34 AM PDT by tcg

Edited on 07/31/2004 9:03:37 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

God is Not a Republican By Deacon Keith A. Fournier © Third millennium, LLC

I got your attention with this title, didn’t I? I will probably get a lot more than just attention. I am sure I will receive angry E-Mails, accusations of “selling out”; it’s all getting so, well, “un-civil” and we have not even made it through both major party conventions. I am already tired of the stridency, the talking heads and the messiness of it all!

Let me make myself and the title of this article a bit clearer, God is not a Democrat either. Nor is He a member of the Constitution Party, the Libertarian party… or any of a growing number of political “alternatives” that reflect a growing dissatisfaction with both major political parties.

Political parties are our creation, not His. He has called us into this world and given us the capacity to exercise our freedom. We make our choices and in those choices we change ourselves, as well as the world around us, for better or for worse. One of our choices is how we choose to govern ourselves and whether we will do so for the common good.

We Americans will soon be faced with one of the most important choices in my lifetime, electing the next President of the United States. This is an election of particular importance for Christians because of the issues that most of us hold as vital to a truly just and humane society.

Over the years I have come to group those issues in categories around what I call “four pillars of social participation”; the dignity of every human life (from conception through to natural death), the primacy of true marriage and family (as the first vital cell of all civil society as well as the first church, first government, first school, first economy and first mediating institution); authentic and responsible human and religious freedom; and our obligations in solidarity with all the poor and the needy.

I have worked for decades to encourage Christians, indeed all people of faith and good will, to build a more just and human society around these four pillars. I have participated in, and helped to build, movements and associations oriented toward this vital work because I have long believed and proclaimed that my faith compels me to live a unity of life. I reject the so-called “private/public” dichotomy of some Catholics and other Christians in public life as heresy.

My faith is profoundly personal but it is radically and fundamentally public. It is not a coat that I put on when I enter a Church building but rather a center from which I live and a lens through which I view all of human and social existence. There simply are objective moral truths that must guide truly human behavior and authentically free and just social community life.

For example, the position I hold on the right to life and the dignity of every human life at every age and stage is NOT, in the first instance, a “religious” position; it is a human rights position and I know that it must become the polestar of all good public policy. Without the right to life and the freedom to be born, as well as the further right to live a full life and die a natural death, unimpeded by euthanasia, passive or active, there simply are no other rights or human freedoms.

If freedom becomes reduced to a notion of doing whatever one “chooses”, including the intentional killing of children in the womb, the elderly, the “dependent”… it has been gutted from its true meaning and reduced to some “right” to exercise a raw power over others. This counterfeit definition of “choice” as a right to do what is wrong will not promote true freedom. It will inevitably lead to a new and profane form of slavery.

Like most folks, I have tried to use my prudential judgment in exercising a treasured right, the right to vote as an American citizen. I believe that there is a hierarchy of values in the application of this kind of judgment. I have sought to order the issues in deciding for whom I would vote. Of course, I will do so once again this vital election year.

However, it is getting really hard to live through the political chicanery and reinvention, the glitz and image and the increasingly hostile responses of even good people to the growing hostility of our political dialogue and climate. For example, every morning I receive several missives (that is what they are) by E-Mail telling me why one party is “evil” and implying the other party is somehow “good”. Frankly, I am growing sick of them all.

To any political “experts” reading this article, I am a “swing” voter. I write this article to give some insights into the issues that will determine my vote. Maybe the so called “experts” will pay attention.

I officially left the party called Democratic years ago. The last Democrat that I enthusiastically supported was Governor Bob Casey. I could not be associated with a party that claimed to care for the poor and failed to hear the cry of the “poorest of the poor” children in the womb. Though I never “officially” switched my registration, I have been “lumped” with the other major party called “Republican.” I have seriously considered trying to launch a new party, one that is pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-peace and pro-poor. I am leaning heavily in that direction.

I am whole life, pro-life. I absolutely oppose the taking of innocent human life in the first home of the entire human race, the womb. Science has confirmed what our conscience has long known; the child in the womb is out neighbor. It is always and everywhere intrinsically evil to take innocent human life. It is also intrinsically evil to “manufacture” human embryonic life to then kill that life for spare parts.

I also oppose capital punishment, though on different moral grounds. It is no longer defensible in the West because it is no longer necessary to protect or preserve the common good. Bloodless means are available to protect society and “punish” the criminal. Also, there is simply no doubt that mistakes have been made and we have executed the innocent. Mercy should trump justice. Vengeance is never ours.

Marriage must be defended and protected from the current assault against the institution. Marriage is what it is and we all know it. There is a word used in Philosophical and theological discourse to speak about the nature of things. It is the word “ontology”. It refers to the essence of something. There is an “ontology” to marriage. A cabbage is not a rock. A dog is not a human person.

Homosexual relationships and the sexual acts accompanying such relationships cannot ever constitute a marriage. They are not capable of being open to the fullness of the love that is at the foundation of the unitive nature of marriage and for which even our bodies are constituted, that is the total gift of self to the other in faithful, lifelong love. Nor can such sexual acts, or the relationships formed around them, ever be procreative, open to new life in children. Social groupings built on such relationships are also not families.

There is an intense effort underway to categorize those who still support this objective reality as uncaring, bigoted or antiquated. We are not. Marriage and the family founded upon it are the future of freedom. Redefining marriage and family will not help anyone, including those who are self defined homosexuals. It is also destructive of the social order. Marriage and the family built upon it is the solid foundation of civil society. It is the first vital cell of that society.

Of course all persons must be treated with human dignity and not be discriminated against and that includes homosexual persons. However, there are other ways to protect against discrimination than the current efforts to redefine the fundamental social institution of marriage, the defining cornerstone of our social order. To destroy marriage under the guise of “tolerance” is dangerous and corrosive to the common good and horribly intolerant.

I opposed the pre-emptive war in Iraq. I rejected then- and still reject - any notion of a “pre-emptive” war. Like all Americans, I believe that prudence and justice now require that we assist the people of Iraq in their hour of great need. I do not see all that much difference between the two major parties on how we must act going forward in Iraq.

In fact, a word to probably well intended Republicans; repeatedly telling people like me that one candidate opposed the war in Vietnam, as if that fact would make people like me feel more negatively disposed to him simply because of that, is not helping you with us. I opposed that war also! In fact, I marched in Washington against the Vietnam War. Perhaps some of my colleagues have either forgotten their opposition to that war or they have morphed into some sort of “Alex B Keaton” kind of “conservative from birth” caricature. I have not. War is always horrible and must be strictly evaluated according to an authentic application of the principles of the “just war” analysis. .

I am deeply concerned that in the wealthiest Nation on earth we still have not solved the real health care crisis. I dread the idea of a “nationalized” solution because big Government has not proven itself to be very efficient nor is it very good at compassion and care. That is part of why I also support the “faith based” and community initiative of the current administration as a part of fulfilling our national obligation to the poor.

Churches and religious institutions ARE good at compassion and care and need to be seen as partners in solidarity! The principle of subsidiarity which holds that government is best when it is closest to those being governed and the principle of solidarity that reminds us of our obligations to one another and that we are our “brothers (and sisters) keeper” have found a wonderful meeting place in this great new (really quite old) initiative. It is fresh, creative public policy.

We MUST now find the creative solutions to providing health care for all Americans. The “market” will not solve this crisis without leadership. I have an ever increasing disdain for an “economism” that somehow posits “freedom” as best advanced through a kind of economic Darwinism. Freedom is a good of the person. Our market economy is a tremendous vehicle for freedom but it must always be placed at the service of the person, the family and the common good. We simply MUST hear the cry of the poor! Expanding economic participation to all is a vital part of making sure that “free” is the operative description before the phrase market economy! That must be true in our international economic relationships as well.

I could continue, but this article is far too long already!

You can see just from what I have written thus far, that I am neither Republican nor Democrat, neither “liberal” nor “conservative.” I am, however, very politically engaged. In fact, I watched much of the convention in Boston. I will watch much of the one in New York.

BOTH will certainly disappoint me.

However, I am not ready to join any of the current “Third Party” efforts. I feel that it will throw away my vote at this time. I also cannot “opt” to “not vote” -as a growing number of people whom I respect are choosing to do.

I will vote. Here is why.

The next occupant of the Whitehouse will choose at least three Supreme Court Justices. That choice will determine whether the current “culture of death” hiding under the profane precedent of Roe v Wade will take another generation of our children.

The next President will provide the moral leadership so desperately needed to prevent new cultural revolutionaries from eliminating marriage and family from its favored social status by equalizing homosexual and heterosexual relationships outside of marriage and using the power of the State to enforce this new order.

The next President will have an opportunity to solve the health care crisis, expand economic opportunity, bring our troops home from Iraq with honor and dignity and continue to open up our market, and our National embrace to the poor in all of their manifestations. This is an important election.

However, God is not a Republican, nor is he a Democrat….and neither am I. ________________________________________________________ Deacon Keith Fournier is a married Roman Catholic Deacon of the Diocese of Richmond. He is a human rights lawyer and a graduate of the John Paul II Institute of the Lateran University, Franciscan University of Steubenville and the University Of Pittsburgh School Of Law. He is the founder and Thomas More Fellow of the Common Good Movement. The author of seven books, he recently wrote “The Prayer of Mary: Living the Surrendered Life” which will be released before Christmas.

________________________________________________________ Deacon Keith Fournier is a married Roman Catholic Deacon of the Diocese of Richmond. He is a human rights lawyer and a graduate of the John Paul II Institute of the Lateran University, Franciscan University of Steubenville and the University Of Pittsburgh School Of Law. He is the founder and Thomas More Fellow of the Common Good Movement. The author of seven books, he recently wrote ?The Prayer of Mary: Living the Surrendered Life? which will be released before Christmas.

1 posted on 07/31/2004 10:55:38 AM EDT by tcg
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To: tcg

How can you say you're vehemently pro-life and vote for a party whose platform includes abortion?

There may be pro-choice Republicans, but our party platform, at least so far, is pro-life.


3 posted on 07/31/2004 8:03:15 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

I am not voting for a democrat. I did not say who i am voting for. I am voting for George W Bush. If you have read anything I have written in the past, as well as this article, you would know that. Please re-read the article


4 posted on 07/31/2004 8:08:41 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: jamesnwu

Sorry you feel that way
I will not vote for the democrat precisely because of the life issue


5 posted on 07/31/2004 8:09:33 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: dawn53
"How can you say you're vehemently pro-life and vote for a party whose platform includes abortion?"

The author answered your question when he said:

"I will vote. Here is why.

The next occupant of the Whitehouse will choose at least three Supreme Court Justices. That choice will determine whether the current “culture of death” hiding under the profane precedent of Roe v Wade will take another generation of our children."

That vote is obviously for George Bush.

6 posted on 07/31/2004 8:10:07 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tcg

hmmm, as I read the article, he writes that the next election will pick at least 3 supreme court justices which could END abortion- a good thing to the writer. How do you read he's voting for Kerry?


7 posted on 07/31/2004 8:14:27 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: tahiti

Thanks tahiti
This kind of response without reading my article shows how shrill this has all become. Reading my article will tell you I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS ABOTION ON DEMAND.My fear is that with the polarization, many like me are not going to vote, or are being marginalized in Third Parties. I am worried about this election


8 posted on 07/31/2004 8:15:46 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: tcg

BUMP! Thanks for taking the time to write and post this.
One thing I am sure of is that God would never be a big-government socialist or a tax-and-spend liberal. On the other hand, I do know what Jesus would drive - - a Chrysler, of course.


9 posted on 07/31/2004 8:16:01 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jamesnwu
James, the guy is voting for GW, tcg printed the article twice, you should be able to read it ONCE.

and tcg, don't post articles twice, it's frickin irritating.

10 posted on 07/31/2004 8:17:03 AM PDT by bigjoesaddle (Shrug)
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To: tcg
I opposed the pre-emptive war in Iraq. I rejected then- and still reject - any notion of a “pre-emptive” war. Like all Americans, I believe that prudence and justice now require that we assist the people of Iraq in their hour of great need. I do not see all that much difference between the two major parties on how we must act going forward in Iraq.

By opposing intervention in Iraq and the removal of American troops from Southeast Asia you enable the genocide of millions of Cambodians in the killing fields and hundreds of thousands in the mass graves of Iraq.

Let me guess, you were in favor of intervening in Rwanda and Serbia, right?

I am a pro life Catholic. My wife and I are both Army veterans. We oppose the murder of babies and we oppose genocidal lunatics. We think those who would stand by preaching peace while the lunatics of the world murder by the thousands are as misguided as pro choicers.

There is good and evil in the world Deacon and you should thank the Lord for men and women who enlist in the armed services to fight that evil where it lives.

And while God has no political party, you can bet your house that he would never vote for the party that endorses the killing of babies by the millions.

11 posted on 07/31/2004 8:18:57 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: tcg

How does he know he's not a Republican?


12 posted on 07/31/2004 8:19:21 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: tcg

Actually ... as PJ O'Rourke has explained rather thoroughly:

Santa Claus is a Democrat. God is a Republican.


13 posted on 07/31/2004 8:19:53 AM PDT by hauerf (Disgruntled with incomplete posts)
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To: tcg
Statement: "God is Not a Republican"

Response: Yes he is.

Comment: Not only is God a Republican he is also a Paleo-conservative. That ends that!

14 posted on 07/31/2004 8:22:59 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: tcg

This poor married deacon is a mishmash of confusion. He apparently feels guilty for not committing to the priesthood, and his equivocations reveal internal struggle.

Perhaps his wife puts pressure on his politics.

In America, cafeteria Catholics are the norm, and Kerry and Kennedy are allowed to take communion despite their evil support of abortion and euthanasia. Kieth fits right in with this spineless approach. He imagines that fighting Saddam, who is this era's very own Hitler, was wrong. Mass graves mean little to him.

The pope told the US bishops to uphold the teachings by freezing Kerry and Kennedy out of sacrements, the bishops publicly refused. A schism is imminent, and Keith will stay with the corrupted gay-friendly, abortion-friendly aging-hippie pop music church while many of us will happily join the CounterCulture Church, where the old Catholic Mass is said, we aren't forced to hold hands and we can hear solemn spiritual classical music without the tamborines.

Incidentally, a new Schismatic Church would not go bankrupt from the current sex abuse scandal settlements. The existing Catholic Church is beginning to pay dearly for it's "tolerance" of homo clergy.

Consequences.


15 posted on 07/31/2004 8:23:11 AM PDT by moodyskeptic (www.WinWithHumor.com)
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To: tahiti

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

I understood this writer to be pro-life and voting for Bush.

It was a rhetorical question.

I actually have friends, who claim to be pro-life, but who don't see the importance of voting for Bush.

I have one friend who says she doesn't intend to vote but is "vehemently pro-life". I was actually thinking of her and my comments to her when I wrote my comment.


16 posted on 07/31/2004 8:25:09 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: tcg

The Gipper's up there now, so if God's not a republican, then at least he's getting great advice.


18 posted on 07/31/2004 8:27:10 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I actually may be more paleo, if I am a conservative at all. I am certainly not "neo" and I am undoubtedly not a liberal


19 posted on 07/31/2004 8:28:08 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: tcg

The author is deeply conflicted. It appears (to me) that he is struggling to find the right way, and to that end, I wish him well.

No Republican that I know of has ever claimed that God was "on his side", or proffered an exclusive relationship. Conservatives have however noted that leftists, religiously oriented or not, have strayed so far from "the path" that it is logical to wonder if they hold religious values only in the most dogmatic of ways.

Moral equivocation and a "sliding scale" of so-called "values" do not resonate with people who prefer to live by a sense of principles rooted in religious faith.

I guess, in the final analysis, whatever gets you there....


20 posted on 07/31/2004 8:30:34 AM PDT by rockrr ("If this were a perfect world, Democrats would just be a bad memory - like Typhoid")
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To: jamesnwu
God would never, ever, EVER condone the elimination of innocent children for the reason of convenience

The bible is full of examples of God killing innocent children - the story of Noah as one example, the plagues o Egypt as another. I don't think any of us should be speaking for what God would or wouldn't do, rather we need to look into our own hearts and decide what is right and what is wrong.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about God, abortion is wrong.

21 posted on 07/31/2004 8:30:51 AM PDT by mastequilla
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To: tcg

God will forgive the Democrats. But He wouldn't vote for them.


22 posted on 07/31/2004 8:33:38 AM PDT by Adult Adoptee (Exodus 2:1-10)
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To: tcg
I opposed the pre-emptive war in Iraq. I rejected then- and still reject - any notion of a “pre-emptive” war.....I do not see all that much difference between the two major parties on how we must act going forward in Iraq.

Idiot.

23 posted on 07/31/2004 8:33:38 AM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: tcg
Political parties are our creation, not His.

Amen, brother. Trying to confine a perfect Being into an imperfect human construct (be it a political party, social organization or sports fan club) is offensive. I'm a Christian and will vote Republican since I believe the GOP is closer to God's ideal than the Dems are. Nevertheless, God does not subordinate Himself to any party platform written by his fallible creation.

24 posted on 07/31/2004 8:34:53 AM PDT by inkling
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To: tcg
It [Capital Punishment] is no longer defensible in the West because it is no longer necessary to protect or preserve the common good

Making it up on the fly...?

25 posted on 07/31/2004 8:35:33 AM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- A billion Muslims can't be wrong...)
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To: tcg

You keep referring to your article; Are you saying that you wrote this article?

I agreed with the article for the most part, up until
the part about the "health care crisis". who told the author that 'health care' was somehow a human right? and that people are entitled to govt sponsored 'health care'? I think that is so ridiculous. that is a socialist ideology. Who was it that said, a person cannot be a socialist and Catholic ,.. I think it was a Pope. the quote is on the Wanderer every month.


i also think people can still support capital punishment in good conscience,.- i heard one Cathoic guy that taught RCIA claim that supporting the death penalty is a mortal sin. That is simply not true,; I have no problem with people being against the DP, but to claim that we must be against it under the threat of mortal sin is very disengenuous and dishonest.


26 posted on 07/31/2004 8:35:47 AM PDT by MindFire
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To: moodyskeptic
A schism is imminent, and Keith will stay with the corrupted gay-friendly, abortion-friendly aging-hippie pop music church while many of us will happily join the CounterCulture Church, where the old Catholic Mass is said, we aren't forced to hold hands and we can hear solemn spiritual classical music without the tamborines.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Keith Fournier may be wrong about his opposition to the War in Iraq but he is right about every other issue we face today. If you'd bothered to read his article you'd see that.

Your assumptions about his feeling of guilt for not entering the priesthood are presumptive shallow. The Permanent Dianconate is an ancient and respected and sacramental ministry of the Roman Catholic Church.

27 posted on 07/31/2004 8:36:01 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: freebilly

FB, you must be in favor of preserving and protecting the uncommon good as well as executing the common bad....


28 posted on 07/31/2004 8:38:03 AM PDT by freebilly (Vote Kerry-- A billion Muslims can't be wrong...)
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To: tcg

"Nor is He a member of . . . ., the Libertarian party"

No? Then why did he create marijuana?

(Ducking for cover)


29 posted on 07/31/2004 8:38:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: tcg
I could continue, but this article is far too long already!

Amen.

The author is clearly a liberal who can't vote for the Rats because of the abortion issue. Otherwise, it wouldn't even be close.

30 posted on 07/31/2004 8:39:13 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: jamesnwu

You should read the articles you're posting to before posting a response that is so completely out of touch with the message of the author! Keith Fournier is a tireless defender of the rights of the unborn and I would wager that he has done more for the cause of Life in any one week of his life that you have done in all of yours!


31 posted on 07/31/2004 8:39:14 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: All
I bet there are some radical fundamentalist reading this thread. If so, did Sen. Biden say you will "fall under his sword" at the DNC?

566 KB wmv file of Sen. Joe Biden's Comments at 2004 DNC
Transcript:

Our friends on the other side love to quote the Bible.
Just as Joshua's trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho, just as American values brought down the Berlin Wall,
So will radical Fundamentalists fall to the terrible swift power of our ideas as well as our swords.
32 posted on 07/31/2004 8:41:44 AM PDT by DocRock
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To: tcg

"I am whole life, pro-life. I absolutely oppose the taking of innocent human life in the first home of the entire human race, the womb. Science has confirmed what our conscience has long known; the child in the womb is out neighbor. It is always and everywhere intrinsically evil to take innocent human life. It is also intrinsically evil to “manufacture” human embryonic life to then kill that life for spare parts."

We should thank the writer for such a concise statement of belief!

This question is the one which should determine our votes in November 2004. No other is as important, and the Liberal Left knows it and it fuels their hatred and animosity for George W. Bush. Here, again, they mask their real agenda, which Al Gore exposed for them this week--THEY DO NOT WANT A PRESIDENT WHO WILL APPOINT JUSTICES WHO ARE NOT ANTI-LIFE!!!!

When John Edwards declares that John Kerry will always, always protect a "woman's right to choose," he tells us all we need to know about where HE AND Kerry stand. Kerry states that he believes "life begins at conception," but he says he would not impose his beliefs on others.

By his logic, if one is "inconvenienced," or doesn't want the responsibility for taking care of a sick child, or husband, or parent, then the nation's lawmakers should not violate that person's "right to choose" to murder the source of his/her "inconvenience."

This is sheer lunacy! Of course, the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the Judiciary Branch of the United States Government must impose beliefs on the rest of society--even if those beliefs are derived from deep religious belief.

The Liberal Left's devotion to the religion of secularism is dominating judicial activism today. It must not be allowed to continue, if America is to fulfill the philosophy expressed in its Declaration of Independence. Jefferson put it best: "The God who gave us Life, gave us Liberty at the same time: the hand of force (the abortionists) may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."





34 posted on 07/31/2004 8:43:23 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: goldwaterlivesagain
god is voting for larouche actually.>>

larouche is voting for larouche actually. which is to say.... if you ask larouche.

35 posted on 07/31/2004 8:43:37 AM PDT by Shaddap IV
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To: jamesnwu

> God would never, ever, EVER condone the elimination of
> innocent children

Psalm 137
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.


36 posted on 07/31/2004 8:43:39 AM PDT by Thoreau (how embarrassing)
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To: tcg

Yeah.

OK.

But we'd be happy to make Him and honorary Republican!


37 posted on 07/31/2004 8:46:56 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: tcg
Both parties have become equally dangerous. Both parties have bought into the idea that the nation state is obsolete and needs replacing with border-less trade zones, overseen by appointed officials that rule in favor of one entity over another. So far they have ALWAYS ruled against the U.S.of A.

This ideology is the same for both parties, the only difference is one party wants to join us to our dangerous allies in the E.U. countries and won't sneeze without U.N. approval.

The other party wants to create a Western Hemisphere Zone in competition with the E.U./U.N. Both ideas are equally costly, destructive, and as a Christian you should know that this leads to the totalitarianism written of in Revelation. In fact as a Christian you know that like socialism, globalism is also a historical failure every time it's attempted.
The difference being that socialism goes out with a whimper, globalism goes out with massive death and destruction.

This is the choice the two parties offer at the bottom line. What is astounding to me is, neither party bothers to hide it's agenda, they speak fairly openly of it and citizens sit around and look dumb. Bush has positioned himself, or whomever is elected to pass the FTAA treaty, he's worked for four years to secure the "Fast Track" ability, and as congress and the senate openly admit, they don't read every detail of any legislation, or treaty, not to mention the fact of how fond they are of hiding their dirty deeds behind, "voice votes".

The Supreme Court is already studying international and Euro law and applying it to their edicts and brag that they intend to do more of the same. The Texas Sodomy Law was struck down using Euro law, not the Constitution.

You are right about living right and according to Christ's expectations of us. Because if you cannot rule your own life and control your own behavior you have a fat chance of comprehending the agenda of politicians and making an informed vote. When your own house is dirty, and your moral compass broken, it becomes easy to be deceived.

38 posted on 07/31/2004 8:55:32 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Dog Gone

"The author is clearly a liberal who can't vote for the Rats because of the abortion issue. Otherwise, it wouldn't even be close."

I would say socialist, except for the abortion issue.


39 posted on 07/31/2004 8:57:17 AM PDT by MontanaBeth (Conservative-says it all.)
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To: tcg
the Deacon wrote:

He has called us into this world and given us the capacity to exercise our freedom. We make our choices and in those choices we change ourselves, as well as the world around us, for better or for worse. One of our choices is how we choose to govern ourselves ---

We chose to govern ourselves with a constitutional form of government, one that defends the primacy of individual rights in a free republic. -- Whether "we will do so for the common good" depends upon what specific 'good' is to be done. Our governments are [supposedly] severely limited in their powers to 'do good'.

It appears you do not agree on limited powers, correct?

40 posted on 07/31/2004 9:01:26 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: jamesnwu
Keith is a moron

No, he makes his case and he's consistent. I don't agree with him on capital punishment or Iraq but I respect his view.

He is not a liar or a power-hungry thug like the typical Dem pol.

41 posted on 07/31/2004 9:03:22 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: jamesnwu

GOD may not be a Republican (or a dim), but I have a newsflash for this author. GOD does not support EVIL, or the political party that embraces EVIL. dims are the party of EVIL!!! You can quote me...

LLS


42 posted on 07/31/2004 9:08:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Yeah, what CHENEY said"!)
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To: Dogbert41
I think he is absolutly not voting for Kerry : The last Democrat that I enthusiastically supported was Governor Bob Casey. I could not be associated with a party that claimed to care for the poor and failed to hear the cry of the “poorest of the poor” children in the womb.
43 posted on 07/31/2004 9:08:16 AM PDT by Tribune7
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Click Image to watch 566 KB .wmv Video of Kerry's 2004 DNC comment

44 posted on 07/31/2004 9:15:15 AM PDT by DocRock
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To: Tribune7

I could not vote for this Democrat. In fact, I have written extensively about that fact. I really wonder how anyone could think any differently after reading my most current article. Below is one I wrote last month
The Sophist Candidate Separates Faith and Life


The Sophist Candidate Separates Faith and Life
By Deacon Keith Fournier
© Third Millennium, LLC

“I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception…."I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist," he continued in the interview. "We have separation of church and state in the United States of America." - John Kerry

“Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, and in communion with the Bishops of the Catholic Church, I confirm that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being is always gravely immoral. This doctrine, based upon that unwritten law which man, in the light of reason, finds in his own heart (cf. Rom 2:14-15), is reaffirmed by Sacred Scripture, transmitted by the Tradition of the Church and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.”-
Pope John Paul

Amidst the photo-ops of baseball, families, and hot dogs- well-scripted Americana- the Democratic Presidential candidate from Massachusetts has shown his true colors, and they are not red, white and blue.

On the Fourth of July, the day when we all reflect on the very meaning of freedom, he engaged in sophistry of the lowest order. He intentionally tried to confuse Catholics and trade off of his identification with the Catholic Church while absolutely renouncing the core of that faith. Yes, intentionally. I said it and I mean it.

In Dubuque, Iowa, in an interview with the newspaper, the Telegraph Herald, Kerry said the words that begin this article. I know, some newspaper reports say it was somehow “unintentional”; after all he is trying to keep out of the controversy, right? Wrong! He knows exactly what he is doing. He is trying to delude Catholics, other Christians, other people of faith and people of good will by his sophistry in order to be President.

John F Kerry knows that the truth concerning the right to life of all men and women, at every age and stage, is not a “religious” position. It is revealed by the Natural Law and therefore can be known and must be followed by all men and women. This nonsense he sputtered to the newspaper in Iowa was intentional sophistry and it must not be allowed to stand. Only Catholics can tear the mask off of this façade and I for one intend to do so.

Sophistry is defined as a “a deliberately invalid argument displaying ingenuity in reasoning in the hope of deceiving someone”. That is precisely what this Presidential candidate tried to do on the Fourth of July when he gave this interview.

The Catholic faith that the Senator wants to trade upon does not just speak to our "personal" lives. It is not "private". It speaks to the whole of life and is meant to inform and transform the entire way we both view and live our lives as Catholics and as human beings. Our Catholic Christian faith must be lived as an integrated whole. It is not like a hat that we take off when we enter public life. In fact, it is precisely there where we need to inform our participation in order to truly serve the common good of all men and women.

Our baptismal vocation compels us to live a unity of life. If our faith does not inform our participation in every sphere of life, it is not real, it is feigned. Those who claim adherence to the Catholic faith and then publicly renounce it in word and deed are engaged in an egregious error that puts their soul in grave risk. They also engage in public scandal.

The "separation between faith and life" that is being foisted by this man as a cover for his perfidy on this fundamental human rights issue has been called "one of the greatest errors of our age." That expression was a vital part of the "Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World" (Gaudium et Spes), the profound document of the Second Vatican Council that specifically dealt with our relationship with the modern world:

"43. This council exhorts Christians, as citizens of two cities, to strive to discharge their earthly duties conscientiously and in response to the Gospel spirit. They are mistaken who, knowing that we have here no abiding city but seek one which is to come,[13] think that they may therefore shirk their earthly responsibilities. For they are forgetting that by the faith itself they are more obliged than ever to measure up to these duties, each according to his proper vocation.[14] Nor, on the contrary, are they any less wide of the mark who think that religion consists in acts of worship alone and in the discharge of certain moral obligations, and who imagine they can plunge themselves into earthly affairs in such a way as to imply that these are altogether divorced from the religious life. This split between the faith which many profess and their daily lives deserves to be counted among the more serious errors of our age."

This phrase “separation between faith and life” has been repeated numerous times by Pope John Paul II in his writings and became the framework for the “Doctrinal Note on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life” wherein the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith proclaimed:

"It is a question of the lay Catholic's duty to be morally coherent, found within one's conscience, which is one and indivisible. There cannot be two parallel lives in their existence: on the one hand, the so-called 'spiritual life', with its values and demands; and on the other, the so-called 'secular' life, that is, life in a family, at work, in social responsibilities, in the responsibilities of public life and in culture.”

Well, John F. Kerry is morally incoherent. No, worse, he is trading off of identification as a Catholic while he rejects the very core of that identification.

What if we were talking about the killing of disabled people outside of the womb? I know the thought is appalling, but follow me on this one. What if, in some heinous evolution of a society that defines “freedom” as a raw power over others, the disabled were the next group to be deprived of their inalienable right to life? Then, along comes a candidate who said, “I personally oppose the killing of disabled persons but I will not allow my “religious” position to dictate my behavior as a President.” How would we respond? We would all be appalled and rightly so!

Well, John F. Kerry is engaging in precisely that kind of specious public posturing. To say that one accepts what the Catholic Church teaches about the dignity of every human life from conception to natural death is to accept the fact that such a position is not simply “religious”, rather it is revealed in the Natural Law. That’s right, it is one of those inalienable rights that Kerry was supposedly celebrating on the Fourth of July when he gave this interview.

Senator Kerry, I appeal to you as a Catholic, you are openly rejecting the truth about life as infallibly taught by the teaching office of your Church. That’s right, read those words at the beginning of this article. They are very clear! They ought to send you right to the Sacrament of Reconciliation! Next, you are rejecting the truth revealed in the Natural Law and therefore binding upon all men and women. Finally, you are engaging in deliberate sophistry, attempting to trade on the faith that you refuse to fully embrace in order to win an election.

I, for one, will continue to pray for you, while I do everything I can as a citizen to persuade others to keep you out of the Office of President of these United States.
_________________________________________________________________
Deacon Keith Fournier is a married Roman Catholic Deacon of the Diocese of Richmond, who also serves the Melkite Greek Catholic Church with approval. He is a human rights lawyer and a graduate of the John Paul II Institute of the Lateran University, Franciscan University of Steubenville and the University Of Pittsburgh School Of Law. He is the founder and Thomas More Fellow of the Common Good Movement. The author of seven books, he recently wrote “The Prayer of Mary: Living the Surrendered Life” which will be released before Christmas.



45 posted on 07/31/2004 9:44:39 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: jamesnwu
from the article:

"in the wealthiest Nation on earth we still have not solved the real health care crisis.

What crisis?

We have the finest health care on earth. I live in an American city with a plethora of large hospitals fully equipped with the latest state-of-the-art equipment, doctors and medicines....and even illegal aliens who ought to be thrown out of the country...can get access to all of it EVEN IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR IT!

God is not a Republican but it's not the Republican Party demanding homosexual marriage rights, abortion on demand and trying to kick any mention of God (and prayer) out of every public institution.

46 posted on 07/31/2004 9:53:29 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: tcg
Reading my article will tell you I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS ABOTION ON DEMAND.

Then you are NOT a swing voter, and shouldn't call yourself one.

47 posted on 07/31/2004 9:53:29 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: Sloth

I would vote for a number of Democrats who are pro-life. I suggest you check out Democrats for Life.I am a swing voter. I vote pro-life and I try to vote in accordance with the Social teaching of the Catholic Church.


48 posted on 07/31/2004 10:01:30 AM PDT by tcg (TCG)
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To: tcg
"God is not a Republican."

Don't bet the house on it, we have a man inside.


49 posted on 07/31/2004 10:04:29 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: tcg

Being a "swing voter" doesn't mean you don't vote a straight party ticket. It means you are uncommitted and could potentially "swing" either way.


50 posted on 07/31/2004 11:20:45 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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