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Black Sea Trip Yields No Flood Conclusion (Noah's Flood?)
Newsday ^ | 7-31-2004 | Richard Lewis

Posted on 07/31/2004 4:37:21 PM PDT by blam

Black Sea Trip Yields No Flood Conclusions

Associated Press Writer

July 30, 2004, 2:06 PM EDT

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Four years ago, scientists thought they had found the perfect place to settle the Noah flood debate: A farmer's house on a bluff overlooking the Black Sea built about 7,500 years ago -- just before tidal waves inundated the homestead, submerged miles of coastline and turned the freshwater lake into a salty sea.

Some believed the rectangular site of stones and wood could help solve the age-old question of whether the Black Sea's flooding was the event recounted in the Biblical story of Noah.

That story told of a calamitous flood occurring over 40 days and nights. Scientists had largely dismissed it, believing the Black Sea filled up gradually with gently rising waters. That wisdom was rocked, however, when two scholars claimed several years ago that the Black Sea's flooding was more recent -- and so rapid and widespread that it forced people to move as far away as mainland Europe.

The scientists who visited the underwater site last summer off the northern Turkish coastal town of Sinop couldn't arrive at any conclusions. The settlement, about 330 feet underwater, was "contaminated" by wood that had drifted in, foiling any attempt to accurately date the ruin -- and thus date the flood.

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1 posted on 07/31/2004 4:37:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
"(I don't know what has happened to our auto link)"

Never mind, it worked.

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2 posted on 07/31/2004 4:38:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

" Rome ordered more taxes to be collected from its eastern province. The edict spawned a boom in local production and trading among communities across the Mediterranean and north to the Crimea..."
Have they never heard of Laffer curve? Those damned ignorant liberals...

3 posted on 07/31/2004 4:47:47 PM PDT by GSlob
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"Scientists"??? Noah's Ark is just another thing that keeps on giving!! Hope they enjoyed their vacation!!

4 posted on 07/31/2004 4:52:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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Still, scientists are puzzled why a ruin, then located on a 40-foot rise, and at the mouth of a river, would be anything but an ancient, well-situated home. They don't understand how the debris floated in and settled around the site, especially considering there's no other similar pile of underwater matter for miles around. It could be that the debris floated up as the waters rose, and that it wasn't a continuous rise, or at least not entirely continuous. It's also possible that they've rejected the RC dates because they don't conform to expectation, i.e., that the flood event took place more recently than R&P originally determined. For that matter, it's possible that the long submergence of the wood has had an impact on the carbon ratios.

I'm tempted to extract the other story within the story -- that of the Byzantine vessel. Here's something from NG from the time of that discovery:
Ancient Wooden Ship Emerges Intact From Geographic's Black Sea Expedition
by Mary Jeanne Jacobsen and Barbara Moffet

Ballard's website
The discovery in September of the well-preserved ship confirms scientists' belief that the oxygen-deprived waters of the Black Sea below 656 feet (200 meters) provide an ideal environment for preserving ancient wooden vessels, making that sea a treasure-house for archaeologists. Shipwrecks in most other bodies of water usually are robbed of their wooden parts quickly by wood-boring organisms.
Ballard's mentor, Willard Bascom, lived not quite long enough to learn of this discovery.
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5 posted on 07/31/2004 5:05:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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"Newsday must be excerpted"

Newsday wants to be accurate?

That policy must have taking effect 10 minutes ago. (/ very very sarcastic ?

6 posted on 07/31/2004 5:14:50 PM PDT by TYVets
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Scientists were especially interested in this site, dubbed "Shipwreck D," because the Black Sea's unique, oxygen-less water leaves everything on the bottom mostly intact. Shipwreck D is so well-preserved that cord tied in a V-shape at the top of the trading vessel's wooden mast is still clearly visible.

Yes, I would agree. Water (H2 O) with no oxygen, would be quite unique.

7 posted on 07/31/2004 5:31:19 PM PDT by sharktrager (The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the paving contractor lives in Chappaqua.)
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8 posted on 02/08/2006 10:33:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (If you could read my mind, you'd know I dislike Gordon Lightfoot.)
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9 posted on 05/06/2010 4:49:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Note: this topic is from 7/31/2004. Thanks blam. I thought it would be nice to ping this one, since someone recently posted the fiction that Ballard had discovered Noah was real as if it were A) reality and B) recent news.

10 posted on 01/16/2013 6:59:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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