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REPUBLICANS PLAN PUSH FOR ELIMINATION OF IRS
The Drudge Report ^ | 8/1/04 | Drudge

Posted on 08/01/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by NeoCaveman

A domestic centerpiece of the Bush/GOP agenda for a second Bush term is getting rid of the Internal Revenue Service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The Speaker of the House will push for replacing the nation's current tax system with a national sales tax or a value added tax, Hill sources tell DRUDGE.

"People ask me if I’m really calling for the elimination of the IRS, and I say I think that’s a great thing to do for future generations of Americans," Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert explains in his new book, to be released on Wednesday.

"Pushing reform legislation will be difficult. Change of any sort seldom comes easy. But these changes are critical to our economic vitality and our economic security abroad," Hastert declares in SPEAKER: LESSONS FROM FORTY YEARS IN COACHING AND POLITICS.

"“If you own property, stock, or, say, one hundred acres of farmland and tax time is approaching, you don’t want to make a mistake, so you’re almost obliged to go to a certified public accountant, tax preparer, or tax attorney to help you file a correct return. That costs a lot of money. Now multiply the amount you have to pay by the total number of people who are in the same boat. You can’t. No one can because precise numbers don’t exist. But we can stipulate that we’re talking about a huge amount. Now consider that a flat tax, national sales tax, or VAT would not only eliminate the need to do this, it could also eliminate the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) itself and make the process of paying taxes much easier."

"By adopting a VAT, sales tax, or some other alternative, we could begin to change productivity. If you can do that, you can change gross national product and start growing the economy. You could double the economy over the next fifteen years. All of a sudden, the problem of what future generations owe in Social Security and Medicare won’t be so daunting anymore. The answer is to grow the economy, and the key to doing that is making sure we have a tax system that attracts capital and builds incentives to keep it here instead of forcing it out to other nations."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fairtax; gop; gwb2004; irs; nrst; taxreform
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VAT scares me but NRST sounds like a good replacement for the IRS.

1 posted on 08/01/2004 6:08:55 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: dubyaismypresident

I'll believe it when I see it...


2 posted on 08/01/2004 6:10:05 PM PDT by Drango (Stupidity is the only infinitely renewable resource)
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To: Drango

It is a great counter to the tax the rich slogan of the Dems.


3 posted on 08/01/2004 6:10:50 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kerry lied, good men died. Go to www.kerrylied.com)
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To: dubyaismypresident

That should get about 99% of the undecided and 50% of the democrats! What a great idea.


4 posted on 08/01/2004 6:11:25 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: dubyaismypresident

I can get behind this. Of course, it could just be another carrot.


5 posted on 08/01/2004 6:11:31 PM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: dubyaismypresident
Yeeeee haaaaa...!

(All your Senate are belong to us!)

Ha!

6 posted on 08/01/2004 6:12:55 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: dc-zoo

I LOVE IT.


7 posted on 08/01/2004 6:13:27 PM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: dubyaismypresident

It will NEVER happen. The tax lawyer lobby is too strong.


8 posted on 08/01/2004 6:13:44 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Where’s my fuŠking balloons?!)
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Of course we'll believe it when we see it--but it's on the table, which is historic.


9 posted on 08/01/2004 6:13:49 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Lady GOP

Hopefully there is some truth in this.


10 posted on 08/01/2004 6:14:17 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: TomServo
NO....NOT a VAT...its added to EVERY transaction beween producer and consumer....and it REALLY really jacks up the price and adds to inflation (like in EU).

A FLAT TAX 13% and NO deductions like in Russia is MUCH much better.....(that would tik off the lefties....ha ha)

11 posted on 08/01/2004 6:14:26 PM PDT by spokeshave (strategery + schadenfreude = stratenschadenfreudery)
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To: Lady GOP

I thought we got rid of the IRS, Dept of Education, big government beginning back in 1994.


12 posted on 08/01/2004 6:15:00 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: dubyaismypresident

Like Drango said, I'll believe when I see it. But in realizing the load of complying with tax laws as it is, the cost to the economy is about $108 Billion! Plus the inefficiency within the system!


13 posted on 08/01/2004 6:15:36 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (Flat Tax all the way!)
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To: TomServo
it could just be another carrot.

Most likely one of those plastic ones. If this is actually tried the inside the Beltway folks will throw up barricades in the streets.

I doubt the tit will ever be yanked out of the monster's mouth.
15 posted on 08/01/2004 6:16:08 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: dubyaismypresident

This would be great, but I don't think it will happen. The accountants and attorneys make too much money as a result of a complex tax system.


16 posted on 08/01/2004 6:16:33 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Drango

You took the words right out of my mouth...I'll believe it when I see it. This is a classic teaser to solidify the base and draw in the independent, libertarian, other conservative vote.

Proof that this is a red herring? He's having Denny Hastert float it instead of someone inside the executive branch.

We should take odds on whether this ever sees the light of day in a Bush2 administration.


17 posted on 08/01/2004 6:16:42 PM PDT by SEA
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To: dubyaismypresident

Yes! If Bush can pull off eliminating the IRS he will top my list of the greatest presidents.


18 posted on 08/01/2004 6:16:53 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Just as long as they don't trade one shell game in for another I'll happily jump onboard. It needs to be black & white, cut & dried for everybody. It'll need to be fair too for small businesses and corporations.


19 posted on 08/01/2004 6:17:28 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: dubyaismypresident
"Pushing reform legislation will be difficult.

Are you not a legislature in a position of power?

If it will be difficult, then it is YOUR job to make it not so difficult!

Earn your wages!!!!

20 posted on 08/01/2004 6:17:40 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: spokeshave
A FLAT TAX 13% and NO deductions like in Russia is MUCH much better.....(that would tik off the lefties....ha ha)

I also like the flat tax but prefer the NRST because of the added privacy. There really is no need for the government to know how much "income" we make.

21 posted on 08/01/2004 6:17:42 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kerry lied, good men died. Go to www.kerrylied.com)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Jaw-dropping, pure awe. Equality in taxation. Make it so.


22 posted on 08/01/2004 6:17:43 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"It will NEVER happen. The tax lawyer lobby is too strong."

I think you might be underestimating the the strength of character of GW. If he wants it bad enough, he'll get it.


23 posted on 08/01/2004 6:18:05 PM PDT by Rebelbase (H.W.O.V. (How Would Osama Vote?))
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To: dubyaismypresident
It would take a Constitutional amendment to avert having both VAT and a personal income tax. Usually, if Europe is a guide, what happens when you have a VAT you get promises but the personal and corporate income taxes continue.

Further, egalitarians and the dynamic of envy will make not punishing the successful difficult.

24 posted on 08/01/2004 6:18:16 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: spokeshave
NO....NOT a VAT...its added to EVERY transaction beween producer and consumer....and it REALLY really jacks up the price and adds to inflation (like in EU).

I understand that, but let's read:

""By adopting a VAT, sales tax, or some other alternative.."

It looks like they're looking at all the options. Personally, I favor the NRST. But I'm all ears and quite open to other alternatives.

25 posted on 08/01/2004 6:19:31 PM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: dubyaismypresident

Nowhere in this story does it say that Bush supports getting rid of the income tax. Drudge is really scraping this time.


26 posted on 08/01/2004 6:19:46 PM PDT by Betaille ("Show them no mercy, for none shall be shown to you")
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To: dubyaismypresident; MeekOneGOP; devolve; PhilDragoo; potlatch; Smartass; JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; ..

A BUMP to END THE IRS! - ping.


27 posted on 08/01/2004 6:19:46 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (JOHN KERRY is as much like the WORKING MAN as WHOOPIE GOLDBERG is to GEORGE W. BUSH! - Vote BUSH!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
If you own property, stock, or, say, one hundred acres of farmland and tax time is approaching, you don’t want to make a mistake, so you’re almost obliged to go to a certified public accountant, tax preparer, or tax attorney to help you file a correct return. That costs a lot of money. Now multiply the amount you have to pay by the total number of people who are in the same boat. You can’t. No one can because precise numbers don’t exist. But we can stipulate that we’re talking about a huge amount. Now consider that a flat tax, national sales tax, or VAT would not only eliminate the need to do this, it could also eliminate the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) itself and make the process of paying taxes much easier."

This is the second article today that I've read in which Bush or his campaign have attacked accountants. Given the performance of Big 5 (or 4) firms over the last few years, it's probably a winning strategy. Lawyers, however, are the real plague of our society.

28 posted on 08/01/2004 6:20:02 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: dubyaismypresident

If Bush does make this a campaign promise he has just assured himself re-election.

Of course how he handles then will determine the future of the Rep Party.


29 posted on 08/01/2004 6:20:03 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France. -Duke Wellington)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Holy Sh*T !

Hallelujah !

30 posted on 08/01/2004 6:20:53 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: Arkinsaw
I doubt the tit will ever be yanked out of the monster's mouth.

And I tend to agree.

31 posted on 08/01/2004 6:21:24 PM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: swilhelm73

Bush didn't say that he supports this. This is just an excerpt from Hasterts book. Why is drudge saying that this is Bush?


32 posted on 08/01/2004 6:21:25 PM PDT by Betaille ("Show them no mercy, for none shall be shown to you")
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To: dubyaismypresident

I've heard this song & dance before.


33 posted on 08/01/2004 6:21:27 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
There really is no need for the government to know how much "income" we make.

And there should never be a need for workers of a country to ever know, for any reason outside of our defense to know!

34 posted on 08/01/2004 6:21:33 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: dubyaismypresident
This alone is plenty of reason to support President Bush!

Of course, national security is another sufficient reason.

35 posted on 08/01/2004 6:22:20 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated. Thank you, President Bush.)
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To: dubyaismypresident

A national sales tax would be such a powerful and liberating change for this nation. The dems will be fighting and kicking all the way, but this would bury sKerry and co.


36 posted on 08/01/2004 6:22:31 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: dubyaismypresident
Fantastic news! God bless these people!


37 posted on 08/01/2004 6:22:54 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals cannot lead, if we refuse to follow..........)
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To: dubyaismypresident

I don't want Europe's V.A.T.!

I'd rather have a flat tax. Years ago Forbes pushed it and it made sense.

I am for getting rid of the Gestapo, er I.R.S..


38 posted on 08/01/2004 6:23:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Rebelbase

He will not get it unless he gets a landslide and an election mandate. Even then a tough proposition

could settle on a flat tax - OK By me


39 posted on 08/01/2004 6:24:14 PM PDT by underbyte (Arrogance will drop your IQ 50 points)
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To: RockinRight
Might be a good time for Kerry/Edwards underwear change.
40 posted on 08/01/2004 6:24:23 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: dubyaismypresident
A domestic centerpiece of the Bush/GOP agenda for a second Bush term is getting rid of the Internal Revenue Service

In its place will be the "Service of Internal Revenue". And it will, of course, be completely different from its predecessor...

41 posted on 08/01/2004 6:24:27 PM PDT by malakhi (There is no problem so bad that it can't be made worse by government intervention.)
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To: Drango
This is a set up!

There is no mention of repeal of the Sixteenth Ammendment. Without that the next tax, and spend, Dem controled congress will bring back the income tax on top of the national sales tax.

42 posted on 08/01/2004 6:24:41 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: ancient_geezer

PING


43 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: dubyaismypresident; All
Come on gang. We all know the IRS system sucks. We all also know that NO ONE of such prominence such as the Speaker has ever gotten behind this.

Support a change. BIG TIME. This could be historic...and about 50 years past due.

44 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:17 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: dubyaismypresident
The Speaker of the House will push for replacing the nation's current tax system with a national sales tax or a value added tax

Hey maybe even the illegals will get to pay some tax

45 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:29 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: dubyaismypresident

I doubt that it will happen. Imagine all the I.R.S. brownshirts without a job. Tax accountants and tax attorneys out of work - it will be a tough sell.


46 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:31 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Bush knows how to play Poker with the Rats.


47 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:47 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: dc-zoo

That should get about 99% of the undecided and 50% of the democrats! What a great idea.
_________________________________________________________

Are you kidding? Remember all those Dims that do not pay a penny in income taxes or even get a negative income tax, they are automatically against this. With a sales tax everyone would have to pay their fair share. That is completely against every thing the Dims stand for which is tax Republicans not Dims.


48 posted on 08/01/2004 6:26:03 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Happy2BMe
Whoa! Go Denny!



Hear the Donkey Bray
(RealPlayer)



[Expletive deleted] !!!


49 posted on 08/01/2004 6:26:06 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
There really is no need for the government to know how much "income" we make

Word up.

50 posted on 08/01/2004 6:26:14 PM PDT by numberonepal (Whatever happened to freedom, liberty, and capitalism?)
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