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Mary Kay Letourneau Released From Prison
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Posted on 08/04/2004 7:48:54 AM PDT by Spackidagoosh

Mary Kay Letourneau Released From Prison

GIG HARBOR, Wash. — Mary Kay Letourneau (search), the grade school teacher convicted for having sex with a sixth-grade pupil, was released from prison early Wednesday, and her now 21-year-old former lover plans to challenge a court order that bars her from contacting him, a friend said.

"He's relieved that she's out of prison and currently he can't wait to see her," Noel Soriano said on a morning television news program.

Letourneau, who served 71/2 years in prison, slipped unnoticed past the hordes of reporters and gawkers outside the Washington Corrections Center for Women (search) before dawn.

As a condition of her release, Letourneau, 42, can't contact former pupil Vili Fualaau (search), the father of two of her children.

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1 posted on 08/04/2004 7:48:54 AM PDT by Spackidagoosh
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To: Spackidagoosh

At my time I had extremely unpleasant teachers...


2 posted on 08/04/2004 7:50:32 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Spackidagoosh

I've been amazed at the amount of coverage this story has received. For example it was the lead story on this morning's Today Show.

The woman did her time. At this point, who cares if she gets together with her boyfriend?


3 posted on 08/04/2004 7:51:57 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Spackidagoosh

Well now that he is of legal age and she is still as immature as ever now they can be together.
It is beyond comprehension that this pathetic, immature woman would still want to be with this kid and this kid would even still want to be with her.
The sad component in all of this are those two kids who are the true victims in this whole mess.


4 posted on 08/04/2004 7:53:14 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: traumer

One more observation: I was shocked to see that she spent 7 years in prison. Somehow I have a feeling that 100 years ago, this crime would never even have been prosecuted. But some kind of PC notion insists that a boy in this situation is as harmed as a girl the same age would be. If he does get back together with her, it would kind of undermine that argument.


5 posted on 08/04/2004 7:54:04 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The woman did her time. At this point, who cares if she gets together with her boyfriend?

She's a pedophile. Nobody cares if she sees another adult, but she should be monitored around children, even her own.

6 posted on 08/04/2004 7:56:34 AM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

You're right.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 7:56:36 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But some kind of PC notion insists that a boy in this situation is as harmed as a girl the same age would be.

So female-on-male pedophilia would be legal in your world?

8 posted on 08/04/2004 7:58:40 AM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I agree. This kid wasn't harmed by that dingbat. Hell, he probably has streets named after him in Guam.


9 posted on 08/04/2004 7:58:50 AM PDT by Hoboken (N.J. is In Play)
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To: Old Grumpy

Does anyone REALLY care about this?? or her?? I bet it happens more than we think. She just got caught, that's all.


10 posted on 08/04/2004 7:59:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Hoboken
This kid wasn't harmed by that dingbat.

Don't bet on it.

He's got two kids by her and didn't finish high school.

11 posted on 08/04/2004 8:00:04 AM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
If he does get back together with her, it would kind of undermine that argument.

Not at all. Victims of childhood incest often continue to identify with their abusing parent. Just because a victim of childhood sexual abuse is emotionally attached to the abuser does not mean that the abuse wasn't harmful.

12 posted on 08/04/2004 8:04:04 AM PDT by ahayes
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To: Spackidagoosh

Hollywood weighs in on this subject.

13 posted on 08/04/2004 8:08:20 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
The sad component in all of this are those two kids who are the true victims in this whole mess.

Make that six kids. Don't forget she tore apart her 1st family by all this. From various articles I've read, they want nothing to do with her (and rightly so).

14 posted on 08/04/2004 8:09:11 AM PDT by zlala
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To: Spackidagoosh
Mary Kay Letourneau, the grade school teacher convicted for having sex with a sixth-grade pupil, was released from prison early Wednesday

Millions of horny teenage males lobby their school districts to hire her...news at 11.

15 posted on 08/04/2004 8:11:26 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: Spackidagoosh
What is known and hardly EVER mentioned is that she is the daughter of one-time conservative Orange County Republican Congressman and Presidential candidate (Wallace's Third Party AIP in 1972), John G. Schmitz (R.I.P.)
16 posted on 08/04/2004 8:12:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hiltlery Recently Seen Throwing Banana Peels in Front of Kerry and Edwards' Residences)
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To: Sacajaweau
Does anyone REALLY care about this?? or her?? I bet...

I do.

I have done engineering design work at WCCW where she is being released from and just finished some work at the State's new sexual preditor commitment facility (Special Commitment Center). We have an office pool going on how many weeks it will be before she is transfered to the new SCC on McNeil Island, so I bet too and that is why I am interested.

Otherwise, she is just a tragic piece of human trash, that would have been banished to the wilderness in the past.

17 posted on 08/04/2004 8:15:41 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: sinkspur

No. But seven years seems excessive.


18 posted on 08/04/2004 8:17:01 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Spackidagoosh

Lock up yer sons.


19 posted on 08/04/2004 8:17:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Spackidagoosh
Mary Kay LeTourneau is the daughter of the late John Schmitz, a rightist California politician of the 1960s and 1970s, who was also a devout Catholic opposed to the Vatican II inspired changes to his church. Despite his public positions against sex education and abortion and his traditionalist Catholicism, his political career ended when it was revealed that Schmitz, a married man and a part-time college professor, was having an affair with one of his students (who was of legal age for consensual sex).

Ms. LeTourneau's sexual liaisons were "cutting edge," as they involved sex with a minor. There is some irony to this situation, given her father's staunch, though hypocritical, social conservatism. Cases like hers may be used by the Left, to topple existing laws forbidding sex with minors. Rest assured that pornographers and homosexuals will use their influence and money to bring about the abolition of such statutes.

Even many liberals oppose pederasty. Laws abolishing the criminal sanctions against this activity would not be approved, even by the legislatures of Massachusetts and California. However, given another two or three Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to the Supreme Court and a hundred or so liberals to lower Federal courts and a widespread campaign by the liberal media casting a "new light" on this perversion, it could occur. Perhaps Ms. LeTourneau could pose as a martyr for this cause.

For those who say that "it can't happen here," let me remind you of recent history. Who would have thought in 1990 that homosexual marriage would make the progress it has? In 1980, few would have believed the "F-bomb" and nudity would be commonplace on television. Would someone who lived in the relatively wholesome atmosphere of the 1940s or 1950s believe that the most lurid pornography would be a mouse-click away and that "adult" book stores would be plentiful on off-ramps of Interstates, even in the Bible Belt?

Be afraid, be very afraid. But stand up for decency and morality as well.

20 posted on 08/04/2004 8:17:59 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: sinkspur
She's a pedophile

Exactly. She should be shunned and protested the same as males molesters. Sick woman.

21 posted on 08/04/2004 8:18:09 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Spackidagoosh

This case just tells me that there is a lot of mental disease in this country.


22 posted on 08/04/2004 8:18:20 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Spackidagoosh

Plygrounds across the nation have been put on "High Alert."


23 posted on 08/04/2004 8:20:58 AM PDT by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The kid was 12 the first time they were caught. 12. If he was a year younger, in some states it could have been 20 to life.


24 posted on 08/04/2004 8:28:49 AM PDT by HRoarke (F. John Kerry--Can you trust a man who picks his running mate from the back of the phone book?)
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To: Spackidagoosh
Reporter: "...her now 21-year-old former lover..."

The same reporter who calls one of the primary victims her "lover" reports that "A judge sentenced her to six months in jail for second-degree child rape, and ordered her to stay away from Fualaau.

Letourneau: "We had a beautiful relationship, and I value it for what it was."

What is the matter with these people?! The reporter sounds as messed up as Letourneau.

Cordially,

25 posted on 08/04/2004 8:28:58 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: 1Old Pro

The whole story is sad. Her husband was abusive and extremely adulterous, they struggled constantly to make ends meet, and the boy's father was in prison for armed robbery.

All indications were that she never acted inappropriately with another student.

She is childlike in interviews and truly seems to be mixed up. While she violated the law and legally committed child-rape, I think her greatest crime is irresponsibility and violation of the teacher-student trust every parent should be able to count on.

Law is a double-edged sword - It punishes for results rather than intentions. This is normally a good thing, however I have come to believe there was no malice in what she did...Just stupidity, selfishness, and a whole lot of messed up rationalization that makes her unfit to rejoin society. She should spend a long time under psychological treatment before she's let loose.

I do think, however, she deserves pity rather than venom. Not as much pity as the children victimized by this fiasco, however. That is the saddest story of all...


26 posted on 08/04/2004 8:32:27 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: Spackidagoosh
Letourneau may now want to tell her own story. A state appeals court ruled in 2000 that she may sell and profit from her story. She has also expressed interest in working for a group that advocates for the rights of mothers in prison.

Sick. What rights should a mother in prison have when she's there for MOLESTING a child??

Our free-enterprise system is about to REWARD her as well.

God help her children. There are NO winners in this unfortunate mess.

The best thing for those 2 kids would have been adoption. The other 4 sound like they'll be ok in Alaska.

27 posted on 08/04/2004 8:43:34 AM PDT by mombonn (íViva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: Heavyrunner

You think she deserves pity? Would you think a thirty two year old man who rapes your twelve year old daughter deserves pity?

After all, most male molesters can claim victim status also. Many of them were molested as childre

Do you have that little value for boys? They are just as vulnerable as girls.


28 posted on 08/04/2004 8:48:32 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: sinkspur
Not defending the woman ... Abuse of minors is never acceptable.

She does suffer from bipolar disorder... which this kind of behavior is not uncommon when in the bout of spme severity.

29 posted on 08/04/2004 8:59:09 AM PDT by blackbag (trust no one)
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To: HRoarke

When I wrote my first post, I didn't realize the kid was 12 at the beginning. That is young, and the woman is obviously sick. Still, seven years?


30 posted on 08/04/2004 8:59:28 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Do you have that little value for boys? They are just as vulnerable as girls.

I think that is the crux of the matter. Speaking as a male, I don't believe boys are just as vulnerable as girls, and that this kind of experience tends to harm them as much as it does girls.

31 posted on 08/04/2004 9:00:49 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I don't believe boys are just as vulnerable as girls, and that this kind of experience tends to harm them as much as it does girls.

Many men who have mental illnesses and are child molesters themselves would disagree.

32 posted on 08/04/2004 9:04:37 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I'm not talking about boys who have been molested by men. I'm talking about boys who have had sex with older women.


33 posted on 08/04/2004 9:10:42 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Speaking as a male, I don't believe boys are just as vulnerable as girls, and that this kind of experience tends to harm them as much as it does girls.

I'm not talking about boys who have been molested by men. I'm talking about boys who have had sex with older women.

If you think that either males or females are not equally damaged by acts of sex outside of marriage, not even to mention the adultery and pedophilia and the other innocents victimized by what happened in this case, then there is something wrong with your thinking. I'm sorry, but I don't know any other way to put it.

Cordially,

34 posted on 08/04/2004 9:35:46 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I do value male and female children equally.

Also, as a boy, I can say that speaking for myself, a teacher having sex with me in 6th or 7th grade would not have left me emotionally scarred...Quite the opposite, in fact.

Also, being a guy, I DO draw a distinction between a male predator who views schoolgirls as sex objects and messed-up woman who sought love in a very wrong place.

I maintain my opinion that Vili Fualaau was not harmed in any significant way (other than by becoming an underage father) by her actions. I also maintain that her worst crime was failing to take the welfare of her own children as her dominant priority when making her irresponsible decisions. :)


35 posted on 08/04/2004 10:51:12 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

MSNBC is just reporting that her attorney has just filed a writ seeking to have the contact ban REMOVED!


36 posted on 08/04/2004 10:52:04 AM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: Wallace T.
Be afraid, be very afraid.

Oh, I'm absolutely terrified.  Now leave me alone.  I'm waiting for a call from Debra Lafave.
37 posted on 08/04/2004 12:44:10 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Heavyrunner
[The law] punishes for results rather than intentions.

I think you have that backwards.  That's why murder comes in various degrees, including manslaughter and negligent homicide.
38 posted on 08/04/2004 12:46:52 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Thank you for the information. I knew that she had a political father, but I didn't know anything about him. I'm sorry to see the mess that his daughter became.


39 posted on 08/04/2004 12:52:00 PM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs

Well, the dad had illegitimate kids as well. A very strange family, indeed, the Schmitz Family.


40 posted on 08/04/2004 1:22:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hiltlery Recently Seen Throwing Banana Peels in Front of Kerry and Edwards' Residences)
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To: Heavyrunner
Also, as a boy, I can say that speaking for myself, a teacher having sex with me in 6th or 7th grade would not have left me emotionally scarred...Quite the opposite, in fact.

Uh huh. Everything that we in know in life we already have learned by the time the hormones kick in. What a shame that we can't drive, sign contracts, have a credit card, drink, or any of that other grown up stuff. We oughta be able to. After all, we can bone goofy teachers who aren't smart enough to know the difference between us and guys who are, y'know, old enough to vote.

I don't even know why we have to live so long. I mean, all the mysteries of life are revealed by the age of 13. So why do some people say that we learn new things from experience? Maturity, Schmaturity. "Age ain't nothing but a number." Ask R. Kelly, who wrote a song with that title for Aaliyah.

Also, being a guy, I DO draw a distinction between a male predator who views schoolgirls as sex objects and messed-up woman who sought love in a very wrong place.

No prejudice there, is there?

Enlighten me: what would it take for you to believe that a male teacher was seeking "love in a very wrong place" and that, conversely, a female teacher was a "predator?" Seems to me you have just made assumptions based on gender.

I maintain my opinion that Vili Fualaau was not harmed in any significant way (other than by becoming an underage father) by her actions.

Yeah, right. I agree. And I maintain my opinion that Christopher Reeve was not harmed in any significant way (other than not being able to walk) as a result of his equestrian accident.

Listen to yourself! You've just accepted fatherhood at the age of 13 as 'insignificant' in a boy's life. And the fact that Fool-laau is still attached to this train wreck of a woman after eight years is evidence of additional emotional scarring (on top of the fact that he has a jailbird absentee father).

If he had his wits about him, Fualaau would have moved on with his life, and accepted his liaison with Letourneau as a tragic -- but correctable -- mistake. Instead, it seems he is going to make a go of being with this nincompoop all the time, leading them both further down a narrow tunnel of uncertainty.

Every time a teacher balls one of her students, I have to say this, and I will say it again.

I used to dream about sleeping with my teachers. Then I grew up.


41 posted on 08/04/2004 2:06:26 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (When it comes to newborns getting stabbed in the head, Kerry cares...about drowning hamsters.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

I have done nothing to deserve your sarcasm or rudeness. :)

If you feel compelled to make an example of me by making fun of my opinion, I would submit that continuing this discussion is pointless.

I will say, however, that at no point did I suggest that a kid of 13 or under has the life experience and decision-making capacity of a full-fledged adult. Nor did I say that I dreamed of boning my teachers.

I will say that based upon Vili Faulaau's testimony and the testimony of his mother and that of the case worker assigned to him that he was not harmed in any appreciable way by the 400+ times he had intercourse with his teacher.

I am a man and am familiar with how sexual urges can drive behavior. I know that statistically sexual abuse plagues men at a far higher rate than it does women. This isn't statistical skewing, or under-reporting by male victims, it's a fact.

I do not attempt to imply there's morality in Letourneau's actions...Quite the opposite if you took the time to read my posts carefully. I view her as horribly misguided, irresponsible, and unfit for reintegration for society. I still do not view her as a malicious rapist. She really thinks she loves the boy...And vice versa.


42 posted on 08/04/2004 2:36:32 PM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: gcruse
Both Debra Lafave and Mary Kay LeTourneau are sex addicts, women who display sociopathic behavior. Further, they are immoral, rejecting the commandment forbidding adultery. With Ms. LeTourneau, it is a case of the sins of the fathers (the philanderer John Schmitz) visited upon the children. Ms. Lafave is attractive today, but in 20 years she may look like Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albright, or Teresa Kerry. Age takes its toll, as does an immoral lifestyle. Have you seen recent pictures of Nick Nolte or Glen Campbell? They are far from the sex symbols they were as young men, due to both age and the effects of booze, drugs, and too much carousing.

Adherence to a moral lifestyle is good for both the body and the soul.

43 posted on 08/04/2004 3:16:00 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
But seven years seems excessive.

Her original sentence was much shorter, but she violated her parole conditions by seeing the boy, and had her sentence increased to the maximum.

44 posted on 08/04/2004 3:21:02 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Her original sentence was much shorter, but she violated her parole conditions by seeing the boy, and had her sentence increased to the maximum.

Which raised a lot of questions at the time, because at the time of the parole violation, Falaau had attained the age of consent in many states. Putting her away again for the maximum struck many of us, including this Libertarian, as excessive. That's a longer senetnce than most carjackers serve.

Today the plot thickened still more. LeTourneau has served her extended time and Falaau is now 21 with their two kids. He, Falaau, wants to get together with Mary Kay once again, and yet the court is still exercising some Javert-like instence that they stay apart. WHY? Now that they are both adults, whatever romantic choices they may make are totally up to them. Time for the law to butt out.

45 posted on 08/04/2004 3:33:50 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: sinkspur

I don't think for a second that she should get her daughters back. But her boyfriend is now a consenting adult and so is she, so if they want to get back together that's fine. (Creepy, but fine.)


46 posted on 08/04/2004 3:37:37 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

She's on probation for three years, so if she so much as brushes against a child, she'll be back in the slammer.


47 posted on 08/04/2004 3:39:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (IF we were as good as our dogs think we are, what a wonderful world it would be!!)
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To: sinkspur
She's on probation for three years, so if she so much as brushes against a child, she'll be back in the slammer.

Good. I heard last night that she might go after custody of her daughters, which completely disgusts me. Sexual deviance aside, those girls have a home. Uprooting them now would be selfish and wrong. I hope there's a decent judge in Washington who will not allow it.

I also hope she isn't going to be living next door to me. She was released to King County.

48 posted on 08/04/2004 3:41:27 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: DoctorMichael; Admin Moderator
Hello. Just for the record, I was wondering why my pik of the movie poster for 'TADPOLE' was pulled.

It seemed VERY relevant to the current topic.

........or are there that many Sigourney Weaver fans out there?

49 posted on 08/04/2004 4:41:04 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sacajaweau; sinkspur
#10..Good grief!

...How many times do we have to say this.....
..she's a pedophile!,
She seduced a 12 yr old......she was impregnated by a 12 yr old!

50 posted on 08/04/2004 4:47:15 PM PDT by Guenevere
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