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Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record
Annenberg Political Fact Check ^ | August 6, 2004

Posted on 08/07/2004 7:42:37 AM PDT by syriacus

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To: Nick Danger
And please note the additional biographical detail per post 89 that he includes himself in the category of "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth." Seth Goldman's Letter to the Editor of the GW Hatchett
101 posted on 08/15/2004 7:24:44 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: syriacus

how about a barf alert on this one?


102 posted on 08/15/2004 7:29:09 AM PDT by CaraM
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To: wai-ming
Who is this big Republican donor that they keep alluding to?

Bob R. Perry. This is the way FactCheck wrote about Perry in the document I posted at the beginning of this thread. (The FactCheck.org website is responsible for the emphatically bold letters.)


There is reason to doubt the ad . ...[snip]Another reason for doubt is that the group's financing is strongly partisan.

Where the Money Comes From

The source of the Swift Boat group's financing wasn't known when it first surfaced, but a report filed July 15 with the Internal Revenue Services now shows its initial funding came mainly from a Houston home builder, Bob R. Perry, who has also given millions to the Republican party and Republican candidates, mostly in Texas, including President Bush and Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whose district is near Houston.

Perry gave $100,000 of the $158,750 received by the Swift Boat group through the end of June, according to its disclosure report .

Perry and his wife Doylene also gave more than $3 million to Texas Republicans during the 2002 elections, according to a database maintained by the Institute on Money in State Politics . The Perrys also were among the largest Republican donors in neighboring Louisiana, where they gave $200,000, and New Mexico, where they gave $183,000, according to the database 

At the federal level the Perrys have given $359,825 since 1999, including $6,000 to Bush's campaigns and $27,325 to DeLay and his political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, according the a database maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics .


103 posted on 08/15/2004 7:33:14 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: CaraM
how about a barf alert on this one?

LOL.

104 posted on 08/15/2004 7:34:21 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: AndyJackson
Hmm... I guess FactCheck could be considered a tertiary source ...It's easy to imagine FactCheck being subtitled A Cyberspace-Almanac for Lazy Journalists

From University of Maryland Library

Primary Sources

Primary sources are original materials. They are from the time period involved and have not been filtered through interpretation.

Secondary Sources

Secondary sources are accounts written after the fact with the benefit of hindsight. They are interpretations and evaluations of primary sources. Secondary sources are not evidence, but rather commentary on and discussion of evidence.

Tertiary Sources

Tertiary sources consist of information which is a distillation and collection of primary and secondary sources.
105 posted on 08/15/2004 7:52:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus

By your definition it is not even tertiary. It is just liberal opinionating (if that is even a legitimate word).


106 posted on 08/15/2004 7:55:12 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
This is not scholarship; it is liberal journalism at its best [worst].

It's ironic that liberal co-workers have derisively laughed at my gainfully employed husband and children when they have said they heard something on FoxNews.

FactCheck.org can be a real joke.

107 posted on 08/15/2004 7:57:47 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus
Sick of this kinda 'fact check' distortion by the liberals? This is YOUR CHANCE to show your grassroots 'small money' support from average citizens for these HEROES!


Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

108 posted on 08/15/2004 8:00:11 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: syriacus

But it is serious fact when it appears on the editorial page of the New York Times or the Boston Globe! Does anyone even read the editorial pages of those screeds?


109 posted on 08/15/2004 8:00:30 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Nick Danger

Thanks for providing the bio, which assures that FactCheck.org is, now, more completely on the "permanent" record at FR.


110 posted on 08/15/2004 8:03:18 AM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus

Hey Seth Goldman, people who post comments on Free Republic do a better job "checking facts" than you did for this little propaganda report. I hope no "journalists" rely on you as a source for correct information.


111 posted on 08/15/2004 8:06:24 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: syriacus

This was cited today 8/15 on Fox by Neal Grabler as authentic refutation of the SBV claims. Clearing a sound bite on his part.
Jane Hall was rambling and incoherent. But, I don't expect much from the lefties.


112 posted on 08/15/2004 11:05:03 AM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in Jail?)
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To: syriacus

Looks like FAIR has some competition.


113 posted on 08/15/2004 11:08:25 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: Nick Danger

"He has worked at the Committee for a Democratic Majority and at Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's campaign committee."

Ok, Seth, I'm going to use your own standards for credibility in deciding whether or not to trust you. According to your article, getting money from the Republican party makes you untrustworthy. So, since you are connected to the Democratic party, your article is untrustworthy as well.


114 posted on 08/15/2004 11:15:32 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: syriacus

Typical RAT smear job on the brave men who stood up to tell the truth about kerry. I have never been so angry with the lying RAT scum.


115 posted on 08/15/2004 11:18:58 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Prost1
Jane Hall was rambling and incoherent

Yes. I worry about her.

116 posted on 08/15/2004 3:21:32 PM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus

Gee: what was that?

Four liberal lies in the title and first paragraph alone!


117 posted on 08/15/2004 3:23:57 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: syriacus
A comment by Brooks Jackson of Annenberg FactCheck [formerly of CNN] was cited in the Toronto Star today, Aug. 15, 2004....

.A Swift Boat smear campaign Attack ad labels war-hero Kerry a liar and coward But why would Bush supporters mention Vietnam?

[snip] In May, the Swift Boat Veterans held a press conference to attack Kerry's anti-Vietnam stance. But little attention was paid.

"It was all about the `awful lies' he'd told about the military in Vietnam and it didn't get much traction because it was old news," says Brooks Jackson, director of FactCheck.org.

Run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, Jackson's site monitors the factual accuracy of campaign ads, speeches, interviews and news releases issuing from both parties.

"So now they're saying he lied about his actions and didn't deserve the medals," says Jackson. "That is getting noticed. We don't know yet if it will backfire. We'll see if it burns their eyelashes off. "[snip]


118 posted on 08/15/2004 4:35:25 PM PDT by syriacus (Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero ----- before he was a traitor.)
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To: syriacus
" Thanks for writing such a great email to them. I was especially struck by your discussion of relying on the testimony of folks in a getaway car."

I have been screaming that at my TV since the DNC's 1st responses!

MEGA-

Thank you for taking the time for both reading it and responding to it.
GBGB [God Bless George Bush]

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

119 posted on 08/15/2004 4:38:34 PM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: Mogollon

Hey, Brit said "Balderdash" on the Fox Sunday show to the black dude when discussing the Vets.

Brit is the MAN!


120 posted on 08/16/2004 4:57:52 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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