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New York ready to unleash fury on Republicans
The Guardian ^ | 8/15/04 | Paul Harris

Posted on 08/15/2004 1:01:25 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Sit-down protests and traditional dances as Democrats use every weapon to beat Bush

The smiling face of former New York mayor Ed Koch beams down from posters all over the city. 'The Republicans are coming,' it says underneath. 'Make nice.'

Fat chance. New York is bracing for one of the biggest showdowns in its political history as the Republican national convention comes to town at the end of the month. Meeting the army of delegates, politicians and lobbyists will be a vast array of protest groups that intend to make the Republicans' Big Apple stay as unpleasant as possible. Trying to keep order on the streets will be 20,000 police, secret servicemen and National Guard units. A quiet week seems out of the question.

Jamie Moran certainly hopes so. He is one of the main driving forces behind the protest movement which has sprung up since the Republicans announced they would gather in New York. He and others have been collecting information on all aspects of the convention.

They run a 'snitch line' where people involved in the convention can leak details of events and where delegates have been staying. The protesters are widely believed to have infiltrated several people into working at the convention who will smuggle information out. Moran's plan is to send out teams of activists to disrupt as many events as possible.

'It's all coming along well,' he told The Observer at a meeting of protest groups in a city church. Moran, 30, son of a local cop, has become a minor media star in New York, but he is far from alone in plotting to make the city a place the Republican party will be reluctant to return to. In all, more than 250,000 protesters from all over the US and the rest of the world are expected to converge on the city during the four-day event.

Maps of where Republican events are being held have been distributed. They contain details of where delegates are staying, lobbyists' parties are being held and major corporate headquarters are located. Streets will be shut down, impromptu marches held, meetings disrupted and parties invaded.

Sit-down demonstrations will block traffic, protesters will chain themselves together and delegates' hotels will be infiltrated. There will be organised protests and marches, with City Hall permits, that are expected to attract hundreds of thousands of demonstrators.

John Flanigan and Tim Doody are two other protest co-ordinators aiming to make 31 August a day of direct action. They said they would shun the idea of applying for any form of permit.

'We already have a permit. It is called the American constitution. The idea that I have to ask for permission to protest my own government is ridiculous,' Flanigan said.

Sitting on the steps of St Mark's church in the East Village, the pair typified the anger felt by protesters that the Republicans are holding their convention in a city that prides itself on its liberalism. 'This has really shaken everyone out of their complacency. People are outraged,' said Doody.

Polls support that reaction. A recent survey showed that 83 per cent of New Yorkers did not want the convention in their city. 'We all live here,' said Angela Coppola, an office worker who has joined the protest groups. 'We were the victims of 11 September and now they are coming to terrorise us with their asinine convention.'

New York was chosen by the Republicans with an eye on associating the party with the terror attacks of 2001. But now it runs the risk of having the media coverage turn into pictures of street battles and mass arrests. However, that may not necessarily upset Republican strategists. TV footage of besieged delegates inside Madison Square Garden may boost George Bush's poll ratings in key, socially conservative Midwest states.

New York police are preparing for the worst. Manhattan's District Attorney's office has said that it expects 1,000 arrests a day during the convention, three times the normal rate. Police will have 'non-lethal' weapons such as tasers (electric stun guns), plastic bullets and pepper spray. Any illegal protest is expected to be cracked down on immediately.

At a press briefing last week, mayor Mike Bloomberg was firm about the police attitude to protesters without permits: 'If you disrupt traffic, if you behave in a way that is against the law, the NYPD will enforce the law. Period.'

Huge preparations have been made to combat the threat of terrorism. New York, along with Washington and Newark, New Jersey, is likely to still be on a heightened state of terrorist alert. Checkpoints will be set up around the convention centre, helicopter flights over the city will be banned and New York-bound trains will be searched by anti-bomb units using sniffer dogs.

The convention itself, featuring speakers such as Senator John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger, governor of California, will culminate in the prime-time acceptance speech of Bush himself. But by then it is possible that events on the streets will be all anyone is talking about.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: convention; edkoch; newyork; nyc; protests; republican; rncconvention
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To: finnigan2

The Guardian is Britain's premier left wing paper.

Guardian, son of Pravda, has never found an anti american story they did not like. Kerry and the rest of the dems are so anti american they are the darlings of the european communist media. But, guess what? YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!


101 posted on 08/15/2004 5:01:18 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: bilhosty

I think so too. Because no matter where the convention was held, they would be out in droves to protest Bush.


102 posted on 08/15/2004 5:07:14 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Josh in PA; fatima; Doctor Raoul; Owl_Eagle
All I know is that Frank Rizzo-God rest his soul-kicked ass!

I realize that he was eventually driven out of the Democratic Party by the socialist hacks that run things over there, but while he was mayor of Philly he definitely exemplified what was best about the Dems.

In contrast, Mayors Goode, Rendell and the thoroughly corrupt John Street have brought nothing but shame and dishonor to the people of that great city.

103 posted on 08/15/2004 5:09:41 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: UltraKonservativen
PRAISE GOD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!

104 posted on 08/15/2004 5:10:30 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Yep.LOL


105 posted on 08/15/2004 5:13:23 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: UltraKonservativen

And train like crazy. If you can , handload. It's cheaper(most of the time) than bulk and you can inspect/weigh rounds as you produce them. I only production ammo I buy are shotgun shells.


106 posted on 08/15/2004 5:22:30 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: LibWhacker
"TV footage of besieged delegates inside Madison Square Garden may boost George Bush's poll ratings in key, socially conservative Midwest states."

bwahahahahaha

I can see the sign now "drag queens for kerry"

That'll play real big in Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, etc.

And the beauty is these idiots will display all the tastelessness and juvenalia we've come to expect from the infantile self-deluded left. On display for all to see.

"Don't throw me in that briar patch br'r fox, oh please don't throw me in them nasty briars"

107 posted on 08/15/2004 5:24:33 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: GeronL
You're right, the media will encourage these whackos, with plenty of publicity, interviews, in general, giving them credence.

Good!!

American voters will hate these people!
People will note how these anti-Americans did NOT disrupt Kerry's convention.
Americans will resent these idiots going after our Commander In Chief while we are at war.

And New Yorkers who have their lives disrupted, endangered even, will soon turn against these demonstrators.

108 posted on 08/15/2004 5:27:53 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Backlash.com)
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To: LibWhacker

Bring It On


109 posted on 08/15/2004 5:32:32 AM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: smonk

Perhaps delousing beforehand might be in order.


110 posted on 08/15/2004 5:35:52 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: giotto
Moving the convention is a great idea, I think that alone would cinch the election for Bush. You said the convention isn't likely to get much coverage, well moving the convention would get lots of coverage let alone win the hearts and minds of the undecided.

Preempt the protests, move the convention!

111 posted on 08/15/2004 5:43:14 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: LibWhacker

Remember 911, you commie aholes from NY.


112 posted on 08/15/2004 5:59:38 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: LibWhacker

The US version of "Tribal Warfare."


113 posted on 08/15/2004 6:04:35 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: Crazieman
I just read this stuff and sigh. I mean, how much hatred do you have to have to put forth this kind of energy? For the most part, we left the Democrats alone to do their stupid little show.

Why is the convention there? Something about a terrorist attack I vaguely remember on NY? Trying to help the economy of the area recover wasn't it?

Maybe Republicans have learned their lesson and will only hold their conventions where it will in fact be appreciated. This is a classic example of "No good deed goes unpunished". I only hope the rest of the nation watches and has the same reaction to the raggedy protestors it had to the Wellstone "memorial" and recoils in disgust.
114 posted on 08/15/2004 6:10:48 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Dave278

Great, my special ops team will focus on the rescue of Kiran Chetry.

Sweet.


115 posted on 08/15/2004 6:11:11 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: SirLurkedalot

"How many lumps you want?"
"OH THREE OR FOUR...."

116 posted on 08/15/2004 6:20:05 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: Crazieman
For the most part, we left the Democrats alone to do their stupid little show.

The basic difference is conservatives have jobs and real lives. The liberals have neither.
117 posted on 08/15/2004 6:22:54 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: giotto
Is there any reason why the Republican Convention couldn't just pull up stakes and move to Houston? In this day of text messaging, cell phones, pagers, e-mail, and fax, why not just notify the delegates that NYC is off? Media coverage is going to be minimal anyway, so that's no great loss. Just write it off and take the Party somewhere else.

As a delegate who has a couple grand invested in the trip, your answer is NO.

118 posted on 08/15/2004 6:30:16 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Yeah, I know, that was the funniest post you have ever read. I thought the same thing.)
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To: ladyinred
What kind of people are we sharing this country with these days anyway

ones that use attorneys and office holders to share your assets.

119 posted on 08/15/2004 6:32:57 AM PDT by alrea (read charts not headlines)
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To: LibWhacker
New York was chosen by the Republicans with an eye on associating the party with the terror attacks of 2001.

No! NY was chosen by the Republicans shortly after 9-11 to show support and solidarity with the people of NY and show the terrorists that we won't be intimidated to not convene in our largest city or anywhere else we want to for that matter.

What's unfortunate is that NYC will be subjected to the homegrown terrorism of the left. But that's typical leftist narcissism.

Prairie

120 posted on 08/15/2004 6:33:32 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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To: SirLurkedalot

last sentence no sense make errrrrrrr.


121 posted on 08/15/2004 6:35:07 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: Jhensy

I have'nt seen that in years. Thanks


122 posted on 08/15/2004 6:36:12 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: SirLurkedalot

Errrr I=the


123 posted on 08/15/2004 6:37:32 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!! Molon Labe.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; giotto; Kozak; Steve_Seattle; SandyInSeattle; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Sorry folks, but this thread has been moved to Seattle.

Seattle:

We have Boeing, Microsoft and Starbucks. Oh yeah, and we got rain. You want rain? We got rain!

-good times, G.J.P. (Jr.)

124 posted on 08/15/2004 6:37:35 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: smonk
I've heard reports that some of these whack jobs are planning to rub gun powder and such on their clothing to confuse the bomb dogs and explosive detection technology.

OMG! I hope no evil smokers accidentally drop their lighted cigarettes on these innocent protestors' clothing (dropping the lighted match would be even worse).

125 posted on 08/15/2004 7:30:59 AM PDT by Sal
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To: LibWhacker

And Hitler.


126 posted on 08/15/2004 7:39:22 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: LibWhacker; lawgirl; Howlin; Liz; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim
...a vast array of protest groups that intend to make the Republicans' Big Apple stay as unpleasant as possible.

New attraction in the Big Apple - for only a quarter, you get to fire a water cannon for 30 seconds!

127 posted on 08/15/2004 7:44:02 AM PDT by Libloather (What did Bergler stow - and when did he stow it?)
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To: LibWhacker

This may be the opening scene of the coming Social War. A real bad riot coupled later this year with an election too close to call. Time will tell.


128 posted on 08/15/2004 7:45:13 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: MikeinIraq

A little history for you:

In 1968, Viet Nam was being run by the party in power, the Democrats, and at that time, "Democrat" believe it or not, was not synonomous with "the left" and "liberalism." So, the left and liberals of the day rioted against the Democrats, and Richard Nixon won. I expect a Kerry win this time around.

129 posted on 08/15/2004 7:51:56 AM PDT by StACase
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To: SirLurkedalot

I do, and congrats - it's a great place.


130 posted on 08/15/2004 8:00:34 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Crazieman

GO PROTEST WARRIERS!!!!! Send them money!~~~~!!!


131 posted on 08/15/2004 8:01:40 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: LibWhacker

Have a fleet of C-130s ready to evacuate the law breakers to Bagdad!


132 posted on 08/15/2004 8:05:38 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Libloather

Maybe they'll throw confetti at the Repubs.


133 posted on 08/15/2004 8:06:32 AM PDT by Liz
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To: smonk
I've heard reports that some of these whack jobs are planning to rub gun powder and such on their clothing to confuse the bomb dogs and explosive detection technology. that's sure to win the hearts and minds of middle america.

Bring a match.

134 posted on 08/15/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by AmishDude (Tagline under construction.)
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To: StACase

I disagree. The battle in 1968 was between Humphrey and McGovern. Nixon won in part because the primary divided the Democrats so thoroughly. There's no parallel here. There was no "McGovern" challenge to Bush.


135 posted on 08/15/2004 8:06:55 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Mercat
Gentlemen, as much as this a great academic discussion, the wife and I will be voulenteering at the Convention and to be honest, I am nervous for her. I can take care of myself, but any suggestions?
136 posted on 08/15/2004 8:22:12 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: LibWhacker
If the terrorists attack the protesters in New York Michael Moore and the loony left will blame George Bush and the administration of actually carrying out the attack and making it look like the work of Al Qaeda.
137 posted on 08/15/2004 8:26:27 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: LibWhacker
they are coming to terrorise us with their asinine convention.'

Prize for the lamest attempt to call black white and white black. Orwell just got the year wrong.

138 posted on 08/15/2004 9:49:23 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Cacique

Notice that they think the permits are issued by City Hall. So much for their on-the-spot accuracy.


139 posted on 08/15/2004 9:53:51 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Braak
Don't get too near them and don't provoke them with Bush signs, hats, shirts, etc. Stay neutral-looking until you are on protected ground.

I believe in free speech, but the cops can't protect every lone Republican at once--they can only arrest people after they break the law.

140 posted on 08/15/2004 9:58:14 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Mercat
Actually, IIRC, the riots were to protest the defeat of the *Peace Plank* to the DNC platform.

The ideological reason given to the warm bodies was to provoke a *police riot* which would *wake up America* to the fascist police state that supposedly existed.

Back then, even most Donks were conservative and they applauded the LEO for taking on the protesters. This was Chicago and the then-mayor, Papa Daley wasn't going to have any such thing in his town unless he wanted it to happen. The hard hats were out there w/the cops thumping heads.

Afterward, as people came back home (I was in Milwaukee, then), word went out on the left that the consequences were a severe beating at the hands of the cops and the hard hats and most protesters just faded back into the woodwork, moved to the country as part of the *back to the land* movement or became very nonpolitical. The violent ones went into the Weather Underground.

There were some attempts in other cities to provoke *police riots*, too. Trashing became a Madison, WI group activity, Sterling Hall was bombed. It all turned off the majority of America.

Back then, this sort of riot was not something people had seen much of in America. Today, too many of us have seen too much of this sort of behavior. I expect the citizen response to be even more against the rioters now than it was then.

I also expect that there are many, many FBI and NYPD and SF infiltrators inside the protests. I fully expect the LEO to have good plans in force to deal with all of this. These jerks are way too full of themselves and their plans are all over the net.
141 posted on 08/15/2004 11:11:10 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: Pietro

Oh, I hope the MSM give the protesters lots of on-camera coverage.

I have a brother living overseas, (sarcasm on) and he is VERY sad that he won't get to see TV coverage of the wide range of weirdos who show up to protest in NYC.
I'm going to use the VCR to capture some of the thrills for him..plus clip any juicy newspaper/magazine photos. (He can find his own on-line stuff, LOL)

"Drag Queens for Kerry"...hmmm...too tame. Unless they bring the S&M chapter.

I know I can count on seeing a number of unwashed Earth First-Anarchy Now types...skipping their 1st week of college classes to help the Movement (mom and dad will be SO proud!)

I really hope to get something like a reunion of the old SDS/Weather Underground gang (those who don't still have outstanding felony warrants). That would be special...sort of a "where are they now" moment.

I hope they show some creativity in signs & slogans..."Death to Bush" has just been DONE, darlings!

(sarcasm off) Good Luck, NYC and NYPD!


142 posted on 08/15/2004 11:28:50 AM PDT by CarolTX (Onward through the fog)
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To: Mercat
I disagree. The battle in 1968 was between Humphrey and McGovern. Nixon won in part because the primary divided the Democrats so thoroughly. There's no parallel here. There was no "McGovern" challenge to Bush.

You're right about that, Johnson didn't run in '68, but they're still going to riot, and Kerry's going to win.

143 posted on 08/15/2004 3:06:46 PM PDT by StACase
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To: LibWhacker

Block me, and I'm going through you. That simple.


144 posted on 08/15/2004 3:21:19 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry." - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)
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To: ken5050
Fearless prediction..this mob of goons will invade the Fox News Channel studios.....NY Freepers will mobilize to rescue Laurie Dhue

Since I'll be over that way for convention week, I'll be willing to take care of the situation if need be. :)

145 posted on 08/15/2004 3:36:14 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry." - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)
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To: MadIvan

I'm curious, and you're the only one I know to ask -- is Neil Gaiman considered Gothic? What about Anne Rice?


146 posted on 08/15/2004 3:52:50 PM PDT by stands2reason (Kerry/Edwards: TERRORISTS FLEE FROM BETTER HAIR!!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Kind of sounds like this guy is setting some kind of large, secret plan into motion. How is the rest of his cell organized? Who finances this group? Hopefuly the FBI, Secret Service and Homeland Defense are looking into this.


147 posted on 08/15/2004 4:19:30 PM PDT by Plain Old American (Remember who said what; Remind those who don't Remember; Vote and take a friend to the polls)
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To: Dan from Michigan

148 posted on 08/15/2004 4:26:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Bush is Hell on liberals and terrorists.)
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To: stands2reason
I'm curious, and you're the only one I know to ask -- is Neil Gaiman considered Gothic? What about Anne Rice?

Neil Gaiman isn't particularly Gothic; Death is Gothic. Anne Rice is just considered crazy. :-)

Foxfire, bookworm

149 posted on 08/15/2004 5:05:14 PM PDT by Foxfire4
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To: StACase

Nah the Communists were an off shoot in the Democratic Party by that time. As has been said, Nixon won because the Democrats split in 3 different directions....


I think that if the election were held today, Kerry would win, but give Bush a chance. I see him winning in November.


150 posted on 08/15/2004 9:07:16 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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