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Maryland Dig May Reach Back 16,000 Years
Newsday ^ | 8-17-2004

Posted on 08/17/2004 6:05:45 PM PDT by blam

RAWLINGS, Md. -- Robert D. Wall is too careful a scientist to say he's on the verge of a sensational discovery. But the soybean field where the Towson University anthropologist has been digging for more than a decade is yielding hints that someone camped there, on the banks of the Potomac River, as early as 14,000 B.C. If further digging and carbon dating confirm it, the field in Allegany County could be among the oldest and most important archaeological sites in the Americas.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 16000; archaeology; back; clovis; dig; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; maryland; preclovis; precolumbian; reach; years

1 posted on 08/17/2004 6:05:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 08/17/2004 6:06:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

There's so much we don't know. Interesting discoveries made every day.


3 posted on 08/17/2004 6:10:27 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

golden plates...quick call Mr. Smith


4 posted on 08/17/2004 6:14:10 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!


5 posted on 08/17/2004 6:17:51 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: pointsal

Here in eastern MA, there's a small, underground cave lined with fieldstone...under what would have been colonial farmland. Local legend and some poking around by a Harvard historian/archeologist a few years ago says it dates back to the Stone Age. Who knows? But this is one small town, nothing important...and it makes you wonder what knowledgeable people would find in other places.


6 posted on 08/17/2004 6:20:27 PM PDT by hershey
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To: blam

bumparunie


7 posted on 08/17/2004 6:38:06 PM PDT by stockpirate (The issues surrounding Kerry in Vietnam is a smoke screen! The real issue is VVAW and the FBI docs!)
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To: blam

bump


8 posted on 08/17/2004 7:27:51 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; ...
Thanks blam and NYer!
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

9 posted on 08/17/2004 9:49:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: blam

Thanks. Interesting read.

If enough of these are found and confirmed by competent researchers, it is going to impossible to deny. And once denial is pushed aside, and 'legitimacy' granted, who knows how much work will be able to be done, and what will be found.

Not all the "fossils" are buried yet.


10 posted on 08/17/2004 10:23:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: blam

Too bad carbon dating isn't reliable past 5,000 years otherwise this would be all the more interesting.


11 posted on 08/18/2004 4:59:38 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Too bad carbon dating isn't reliable past 5,000 years otherwise this would be all the more interesting.

Actually the low end of carbon 14 dating is on the order of 50,000 years.

12 posted on 08/18/2004 7:57:10 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: blam

bump


13 posted on 08/18/2004 7:58:41 AM PDT by VOA
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To: hershey

The ruins at North Salem, NH seem to be 3000 years old and European. The round stone structure in Florida is fairly old, too, although I don't recall what the date was. The cave could be related. If there was one site, why couldn't there be more?


14 posted on 08/18/2004 9:45:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

Exactly. If one site, why not more? Every time the house and land here in Harvard is sold, there's talk about closing it up so little kids won't go in and dislodge stones, hitting themselves in the head, but so far this cave is just there. People keep quiet about it, although anthropologists know it's there.


15 posted on 08/18/2004 9:55:51 AM PDT by hershey
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To: RightWhale
"The round stone structure in Florida is fairly old, too, although I don't recall what the date was. "

If you're talking about the Miami Circle, it's only about 2,000 years old.


16 posted on 08/18/2004 11:10:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
it's only about 2,000 years old

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to bring up current events.

17 posted on 08/18/2004 11:14:24 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ElkGroveDan

"Actually the low end of carbon 14 dating is on the order of 50,000 years."

No. 5,000 years is as accurate as it can get because we have enough knowledge to make the necessary adjustments. Since we lack knowledge beyond that - climate etc. it's guesswork.


18 posted on 08/18/2004 3:17:10 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
No. 5,000 years is as accurate as it can get because we have enough knowledge to make the necessary adjustments. Since we lack knowledge beyond that - climate etc. it's guesswork.

Well you are wrong. Carbon dating is routinely used throughout archealogy, paleontology, and other sciences for dating far beyond 5,000 years. We have plenty of other callibration tools such as tree rings and ice cores that continually provide confirmation of the accuracy of carbon dating.

19 posted on 08/18/2004 3:21:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: ElkGroveDan

"Well you are wrong. Carbon dating is routinely used throughout archealogy, paleontology, and other sciences for dating far beyond 5,000 years. We have plenty of other callibration tools such as tree rings and ice cores that continually provide confirmation of the accuracy of carbon dating."

Imagine what you like but carbon dating is not reliable beyond 5000 years. It's sheer guesswork. It maybe "routine" however this doesn't make it accurate.


20 posted on 08/18/2004 8:14:11 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

ah I see all of archeology, paleontology and physical history are wrong and all of the cross-proven dating that has been developed from the interlinked disciplines over the past 300 years is all wrong and the whole scientific community is stumbling around in ignorance.

Sorry. I didn't realize that. I stand corrected.


21 posted on 08/18/2004 8:55:43 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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I'm actually cutting you a break since carbon 14 dating isn't exactly flawless.

Silly one ... . You defend something that is extremely faulty.


22 posted on 08/18/2004 9:42:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I'm actually cutting you a break since carbon 14 dating isn't exactly flawless.

Silly one ... . You defend something that is extremely faulty. It doesn't matter how many people still use it.


23 posted on 08/18/2004 9:43:05 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

To calculate the radiocarbon age of a specimen, we need to compare the carbon-12/carbon-14 ratio now, with the carbon-12/carbon-14 ratio at the time of death. However, we do not know the ratio at the time of death, which means we have to make an assumption. Modern radiocarbon dating assumes that the carbon-14/carbon-12 ratio in living organisms is the same now as it was in ancient organisms before they died. In other words, the system of carbon-14 production and decay is said to be in a state of balance or equilibrium. Yet this assumption is questionable, even for an old Earth.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/defdocs/rr1993/r&r9310a.htm


24 posted on 08/18/2004 10:00:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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