[DannyTN]

Beat ya, see post 96. But here are some 15,000 year links to prove my point. Mexico 15,000 2003 Book "The Long Summer: How Climate changed Civilization" uses 15,000

[VadeRetro]

Regarding The Long Summer, 15,000 years ago is when temperatures began to rise. Nothing in the book's Amazon page indicates that the author thinks civilization goes back that far.

I think you're using Google too robotically.

[Fedora]

Beat ya, see post 96.

LOL! But Fagan's "15,000" reference there is alluding to the date of the climactic trends he's talking about, not to the rise of civilization. "Civilization" would be referring to walled settlements on the scale we find at places like Sumer, which Fagan wouldn't acknowledge as existing 15,000 years ago. Fagan is a pretty conventional archaeologist who spends a lot of his time defending the established consensus on the Bering Strait hypothesis, and as such he follows the established academic view on the date of the rise of civilization.