Posted on 08/21/2004 5:47:15 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
What questions?
Why don't you answer the questions. Republic of China or Republic of Taiwan? What's Taiwan independence and who are behind it?
Currently the President of RoC not allowed to visit the WhiteHouse. The US says RoC is not a nation. Do you agree with these policies? I do not.
Should the White House host the President of the RoC with State visits as is done for other heads of state? I say yes.
Should the US establish diplomatic relations with the ROC? I say yes.
Currently there is no Republic of taiwan. I support RoC. If RoC changes its name to RoT I support them.
I support free democratic allies, as is Taiwan.
What's Taiwan independence and who are behind it?
Taiwan indpendence is Taiwan not being taken over by China. Currently it is represented by the Republic of China as far as the formal name of the nation.
It is supported by people who do not want the communists to take over Taiwan.
People who oppose it favor the communists taking over Taiwan.
As far as you questions about favoring the name the people of Taiwan want to call their nation, it is not my place to favor one over the other as I am not a citizen of that country.
Are you a US citizen?
So you are not going to answer the questions.
If prsident Chen wants to come to US as leader of Republic of China and he belives in upholding the constitution of ROC, then go for it. If he is a two-faced politican who is working on destruction of ROC, then he is on his own.
You are more optimistic than I am; I think that we have passed the point where we can succeed with such marginalization.
Not that I like the status quo. I think that we should go ahead and stop as much trade as we can with the vile Chinese government now.
Not because it will weaken China -- that it might to some extent, since we are still by far their largest marketplace -- but to strengthen ourselves and quit throwing away $120 billion in red ink that we are creating every year with our foolish trade policies, and rebuild our own factories.
The way that we are doing "free" trade is too expensive to carry on. If it were a success and we were making lots of money, that would be a testament to its strength. But the red ink is flowing, our debt is increasing far too quickly, and there is nothing that says suddenly, one bright morning, it will all reverse and we will not be running red ink while free trading away.
Instead, it will either stop when we can borrow no more as a risk-free debtor, which may be sooner than any of us would like, or political action is taken.
It seems that all I can do at this point is to boycott Chinese goods, and buy gold. Those are two small steps, but if most Americans did these things, the economic funding of China would start to wind down.
I think the question of economics is the most important.
Can they offset any business losses with the United States by business with Europe and/or the mideast?
There is also the question of what effect a rapidly declining dollar would have.
As far as the carrier question, don't they have us totally hornswaggled with which one, is it called the Sunburst missile?
But of course, taking out one of our carrier groups might be the straw that turns the whole thing nuclear. And no matter what the results in America, nuclear conflict with China would utterly destroy their military/manufacturing base. So I am inclined to think they would weigh very heavily the possile results of messing with our carriers.
I answered all your questions directly and specifically. Feel free to ask more or ask for elaboration.
You, though, have not answered any of my questions:
Currently the President of RoC not allowed to visit the WhiteHouse. The US says RoC is not a nation. Do you agree with these policies? I do not.
Should the White House host the President of the RoC with State visits as is done for other heads of state? I say yes.
Should the US establish diplomatic relations with the ROC? I say yes.
You did respond somewhat to one question but it was incoherent gibberish and can't be seen as an answer.
Other than calling people Chicom lover, are you ever going to answer the questions? Are you for Republic of China and against Taiwan independence or vice versa?
BTW, how do we know you are not a Chicom lover?
If you have problems with the Bush administration, you need to ask them. P.S. don't call them Chicom lovers.
Also, we heard the same doom and gloom about the break-up of the Soviets...many nuclear armed rogue nations and such...didn't transpire. There are a LOT less nucs in China than the Soviets had, so excuse me if I discount this arguement.
If there is a revolt...a strong nation will rise out of the rest with our and the ROC's help and we shall work with them, like we did the Soviets, to avoid unchecked proliferation.
Well, I would actually count that one as a part of my number two. That is the type of technology they would use to counter our carriers.
Of course, the current trade situation is unfair for us.
As to the nuclear weapons, it's hard to predict the future, one can never know who will get their hands on the weapons.
Of all the scenarios, IMO, slowly creating a democratic China, similiar to what happened to ROC on Taiwan, is the best way.
A good, two week war shouldn't damage any of those advanced factories or injure any of those competent employees. Should it? Everything should be captured intact. Nevermind a couple million people on Taiwan fighting for their lives.
>>Nevermind a couple million people on Taiwan fighting for their lives.
The question is how hard would average Taiwanese fight. Many Taiwanese are actually very liberal and I am fairly certain private gun ownership is banned. I know we like to think that people fighting for freedom are invincible, but history has not shown this to be the case. Many free nations fell in the early days of WWII. Saigon fell without massive popular resistance. The Nazis in Berlin fought to the very last, killing thousands of Russians in street battles, fighting far harder than most of the free nations they conquered. China is moving toward fascism similar to that seen in Germany in the 1930's. Falun Gong and Christians are the new Jews. The Chinese may well fight hard to take Taiwan.
To my knowledge there has never been a desperate, all out, last stand type battle in a modern, free city. I would hope that Taiwanese would "defend their Island, whatever the cost may be" but I am not sure this is really the case. Like in the United States, creeping socialism has done major damage in Taiwan. Recent evidence of this includes Taiwan's failure so far to purchase the arms package offered by the US. Their parliament would prefer to spend the money on "social programs" than on defense of their nation.
I think you referred to the 150km SSN-22 Sunburn missile(Ruskies call it the "MOSKIT")-as of now ,only China's Sovremenny class ships carry it-these are more or less in the American Kidd class category & will probably end up getting sunk & the Russians designed them with one purpose-Fire your missiles & sink.Having said that China has ordered 2 more modified Sovremenny class ships from Russia with reduced radar cross section(RCS),vertically launched Shtil SAMs & a improved extended range Sunburn system-these will arrive by 2006 & will easily be the most powerful ships in the region till Taiwan gets Aegis equipped ships(ie if they ever get it).
China is also ordering the 220 km range 3M-54 "Club" anti-ship/land attack missile to be fired from its new generation kilo class subs from Russia which will be delivered by next year.This missile has a subsonic profile (like the Tomahawk & the Harpoon) till it is about 20kms away from the target &then it accelerates to supersonic boost phase,making it supposedly impossible to shoot down.Given that it is smaller than the Sunburn,the PLAN could deploy it on it's new generation of homebuilt surface vessels.India was the 1st country to buy the system,in 2000 & has deployed it on atleast 5 kilo class subs & 3 surface ships(possibly along with the Israeli Turbo Popeye cruise missile).China though may not get the Yakhont cruise missile which has a range of over 300kms & is the most advanced Russian anti-ship missile -it is also the basis for the Indo-Russian PJ-10 Brahmos missile(which may be one of the reasons why Russia has been hesitant to sell the Yakhont to China).
PS-the ranges of many Russian missile systems are guestimates given the contradictory literature available on the net.
I have answered. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact they are the same thing.
ROC is independent Taiwan. I support Taiwan. I support ROC.
I answered the question very clearly before and now have again.
I think your problem is you cannot even specify what you mean with your question.
Are you against Taiwan independence?
Now was that so hard to say, xiao guai guai?
You are learning.
So Taiwan/ROC is independent from China. Thank you for finally acknowledging what I've been saying this whole time.
taoyan zhu daoyugongfei
I am for Republic of China and against Taiwan independence, whose aim is to destroy ROC.
No need speaking Mainland Chinese pinyin to me. Don't understand a word of it. It is interesting that you would know communist Chinese.
But Taiwan is now independent and its name is Republic of China (although we, the US, and the Olympics and too many others refuse to recognize the name).
Are you saying Taiwan is not independent now? Or that Republic of China is not independent?
You really make no sense.
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