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Posted on 08/22/2004 4:27:46 PM PDT by Pikamax

- Former Republican Sen. Bob Dole suggested Sunday that John Kerry apologize for past testimony before Congress about alleged atrocities during the Vietnam War and joined critics of the Democratic presidential candidate who say he received an early exit from combat for "superficial wounds."

Dole also called on Kerry to release all the records of his service in Vietnam.

Separately, President Bush's re-election campaign continued to deny links to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an anti-Kerry group running ads in three states, after the resignation of a campaign volunteer who appeared in the group's new ad.

With Kerry taking a break from campaigning, running mate John Edwards said Bush needs to tell the group to pull its ads, a step the White House and the Bush campaign refuse to take. The White House and Bush's campaign note that Kerry has benefited from more than $62 million worth of similar advertising against the president.

"This is the moment of truth for President Bush," Edwards said in North Carolina. "The American people have to hear directly that these ads need to come off the air." Kerry also fought back in another new ad.

Dole told CNN's "Late Edition" that he warned Kerry months ago about going "too far" and that the Democrat may have himself to blame for the current situation, in which polls show him losing support among veterans.

"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, `I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.

"Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm.

Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."

Kerry's supporters rose to his defense.

"Senator Kerry carries shrapnel in his thigh as distinct from President Bush who carries two fillings in his teeth from his service in the Alabama National Guard, which seems to be his only time that he showed up," John Podesta, former chief of staff in the Clinton White House, said on ABC's "This Week."

Bush served stateside in the Guard during the Vietnam years. Podesta's reference was to the White House's release of documents earlier this year showing Bush's dental visits during his Guard years after questions arose about whether he had always reported for duty.

Bush-Cheney campaign manager Ken Mehlman also blamed Kerry for the ongoing debate, complaining on NBC's "Meet the Press" that "Kerry himself has attacked the president for his service during the Vietnam years," while the Republican's campaign has "so strongly praised" Kerry's tour of duty in Vietnam.

The Bush campaign also said the Federal Election Commission should immediately dismiss what it termed a "frivolous" complaint by Kerry's campaign alleging coordination between the re-election effort and the Swift Boat group.

The White House and the Bush campaign for weeks have denied any connection to the Swift Boat organization, whose early financial support came largely from a prominent Texas businessman with longtime ties to the state's top Republicans, including Bush.

The group's latest ad includes a Bush-Cheney volunteer, retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier, condemning Kerry's 1971 congressional testimony that Dole spoke of. Cordier was a prisoner of war during Vietnam.

"Colonel Cordier did not inform the campaign of his involvement in the advertisement," a Bush campaign statement said. "Because of his involvement Colonel Cordier will no longer participate as a volunteer for Bush-Cheney '04."

A new Kerry TV ad urged the president to "denounce the smear" and 'get back to the issues" because America deserves better." The 30-second commercial, to air in the same three states as the Swift Boat group ad - Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin - compares Kerry's situation to the 2000 primary campaign when "Bush smeared John McCain."

McCain has condemned the ads and called on the president to do so, too.

In response, Bush's campaign released a copy of a letter it was sending to television station managers on Monday defending itself from the claims in the new Kerry ad.

Questions mounted over the motives of Kerry's critics, two of whom had praised his service in 1996, even as Kerry's supporters faced questions about the candidate. Among the allegations is that Kerry lied about being in neutral Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968.

"I don't think anyone knows for sure whether or not they were in Cambodia that night, but they were near Cambodia on Christmas Eve," John Hurley, who heads a pro-Kerry veterans group, said on "Fox News Sunday." "He was five miles into Cambodia on a different occasion."

Another allegation is that Kerry was not under enemy fire as after-action reports say he was, an incident for which he received a Bronze Star, one of five medals earned in Vietnam.

"The after-action reports were written from Kerry's spot reports from that day," said Kerry critic Van Odell, also appearing on the same program. "None of us knew he even got the Bronze Star until more recently."

TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobdole; kerry; militaryrecord
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To: Jeff Head

This is what Kerry gets for making his Vietnam service the biggest focus of his campaign. He's opening a bunch of old wounds that have come back to haunt him. It is his own fault.

61 posted on 08/22/2004 6:53:57 PM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: Pikamax

Yep, Bob took it to a higher level...Did McCainiac critisize both ads? I only remember the first one...

"McCain has condemned the ads and called on the president to do so, too. "

62 posted on 08/22/2004 6:57:02 PM PDT by ptrey (It's July the 4th everyday.)
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To: bayourod

Bob Dole never mentioned his war time service. Kerry does. Jack Hamm, the Pittsburgh Steelers' great put it well once: "true greatness does not need to be defined or explained." Kerry's not in that category at all and its obvious to Dole and every one but the deluded.

63 posted on 08/22/2004 6:57:06 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

" USS Grimley "

Freudian slip.
I meant USS Gridley-but, when I think of Kerry, it's a normal progression to think of the Martin Short character on SNL-Ed Grimley and his famous line- " I'm going mental, I must say."

64 posted on 08/22/2004 6:59:20 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: Jeff Head

The swifties have done a Wallmart. They took a 150,000 donation and turned it into a billion dollars of impact. Good on them.

65 posted on 08/22/2004 6:59:39 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Kerry/Edwards. A pig in a dress is still a pig.)
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To: Jeff Head

Did you see some host on Fox asking if the Swift Vets had any "documentation" from 1969, then looking amazed that they did not. Who would have thought they needed it 35 years later?

66 posted on 08/22/2004 7:00:42 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Jeff Head
If Kerry has schrapnel in his leg, LET'S SEE THE DAMN X-RAYS!!!

That's ALL it will take to show the Swift Boat Vets to be liars!

A Simple X-Ray!

67 posted on 08/22/2004 7:13:23 PM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: Question_Assumptions

>>I wonder what McCain thinks about the new ad.<<

E-mail him---I did.

Asked him when he was going to stand up for his fellow POW's, Viet Nam Vets, and President Bush who he claims to support.

68 posted on 08/22/2004 7:26:18 PM PDT by sissyjane (Does Rice show up on X-Rays??)
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To: Pikamax
"Show us your elbow, John!"
69 posted on 08/22/2004 7:31:42 PM PDT by Dajjal ("I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis." -- John F'n Kerry 6/1/03)
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To: Pikamax

Kerry served in Vietnam but came home to condemn the war and condemn everyone who had been, was currently, or ever would go there. But he flaunts his heroism. And he says that George Bush is a wimp because he didn't go to Vietnam after the time that Kerry adjudged it immoral. Bush, meanwhile, did not do anything illegal or immoral regarding the Vietnam war. It amuses me to see Kerry and his ilk trying to figure out how he can be a hero and still a traitor, and somehow a paragon of virtue patriotically. Kerry is ultimately a traitor. Never mind what he might have been before. He's a traitor. Traitor trumps hero. You get a Silver Star for actions taken in a narrow situation over a short period of time, but you earn your traitor credentials by grievious matters with sufficient reflection and full consent of the the will. That's the way Kerry became a traitor. That's the way Catholics commit mortal sins, too. Did Kerry not dump his family with sufficient reflection and full consent of the will? Was it not a grievious matter. Where the hell are the priests and bishops with respect to this moral reprobate? He dumps his family so he can marry a fat but very rich bitch. He takes very anti-Catholic positions on abortion, etc. while sticking his tongue out for any communion anywhere. Kerry is so morally and intellectually confused that he will have to be condemned to hell unless he repents, as he needs to, and withdraws from political life, his illicit marriage, and everything which seems to be destinining the hair-boy for hell.

70 posted on 08/22/2004 7:35:21 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Very nice! That post should be repeated on every Kerry thread, IMO!

71 posted on 08/22/2004 7:38:07 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W."Billy" Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: Pikamax
"Senator Kerry carries shrapnel in his thigh ...," John Podesta

I would think that this is probably related to the rice in the butt episode that got him his 3rd purple heart, and that when Kerry gets in the water his thigh would swell up.

72 posted on 08/22/2004 7:41:51 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: sissyjane
Kerry better pray that McCain doesn't turn on him. If he does, Kerry is toast.
73 posted on 08/22/2004 7:55:13 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Pikamax
"What does Bob Dole think? Bob Dole thinks he's a doofus."

or worse

74 posted on 08/22/2004 8:35:36 PM PDT by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: utahagen

I think that after Dole saw the new swiftvet's ad he felt motivated to speak out. The best part is it came as a complete surprise to almost everybody. He gave it to kerry with both barrels blazing. Couldn't have come at a better time for the swifties with the new ad starting tomorrow.

75 posted on 08/22/2004 8:52:12 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: dc-zoo

Dole's coming out against Kerry is a blow from which Kerry wil not recover. There is no way the Dems can attack Dole, who lost use of an arm in World War II. You can bet the Kerry camp is miserable tonight.

76 posted on 08/22/2004 8:56:42 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Jeff Head; ImaTexan
...and everything the Kerry campaign is doing to try and get at the Swift Boat Vets is turning into nothing but a HUGE PR campaign for the Swifties.

Exactly. The Swifties had limited funds and could only afford to run their ads in three battleground states. Thank you, Kerry for making such a fuss --- every network is now covering this and runs the ads -- so all 50 states get to see it ---- sweet!

77 posted on 08/22/2004 9:07:11 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Pikamax
"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, `I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.

Right on, Senator Dole. What we know Kerry did and said when he came back from Vietnam outweighs whatever good he did in Vietnam, even if Kerry did in Vietnam what he said he did.

This is the crux of Kerry's problem. Nothing the Swift Boat Vets can say could possibly damage him more than what he himself said in 1971 at those hearings.

The American public needs to know...

78 posted on 08/22/2004 9:16:06 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("You bet we might have." John Kerry on whether he would have gone to war in Iraq)
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To: bjcintennessee

It will be a template and example that will be studied and debated for years by the PolSci's.

79 posted on 08/22/2004 9:31:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (
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To: bayourod

Dole has a savage wit, but that does not carry well in a campaign. He was best at stalling the Senate, blocking Clinton, and making choice remarks. He was probably told to cool the caustic wit in his campaign. It would have been more memorable if he had been himself.

80 posted on 08/23/2004 12:06:44 AM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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