TWO Russian Airliners Have Crashed.

[Cindy]

GOOGLE Search Term: "BLACK WIDOWS"
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Black+Widows%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&filter=0

[Embedded Freeper]

Actually, discostu I have not really discounted your facts opinions and messages.
I understand quite well what you wrote.
The point is and was that I wasn't interesting in reading all of the academic lectures you seem to be compelled to write to someone.
It's simple now.
A plane crashed.
Explosives were involved. (ie the plane blew up)
A person or persons saw the explosion.
That would have all been true without your long drawn out explanations.
Just to make you feel your comments were very necessary to this thread, everything you said was true.
Memory cannot be trusted, period end of sentence.
You don't remember any of this. Good.

[discostu]

Now we know explosives were involved because there is physical evidence. Just because a witness said they saw an explosion doesn't mean it happened. I'm sure there's at least one witness out there that says they didn't see an explosion, but we have the trace elements, so we know that witness is wrong. Of course the ones that say they saw an explosion could be wrong too, we'll never know if they actually were looking at the right spot in the sky or not, maybe they were tying their shoe and didn't see a damn thing.

[Cindy]

Note No. 1: Click on the url to view the graphics.
Note No. 2: The following text is an exact quote:
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http://internet-haganah.us/harchives/002628.html

August 30, 2004

islamic-minbar.com: where the discerning Jihadist goes to post his claims of responsibility...

For example, :
DEBKAfile Special and Exclusive Report



August 25, 2004, 2:33 PM (GMT+02:00)


Updated 27 August:


Forty-eight hours after two Russian Tupolev airliners took off from Moscow airport minutes apart and crashed, killing all 89 people aboard, al Qaeda has finally come forward with a claim of responsibility, published by the Islamic Minbar website associated with the Islamist organization. The statement, signed by the "Islambuli Brigades" (named for the killer of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat) claims two groups of five men each hijacked the planes and promises to circulate soon a video clip showing the "martyrs" reading out their last wills and testaments. The statement adds that the attacks were the first in a series and there are more operations to come.


www.islamic-minbar.com/forum/



Name: islamic-minbar.com
Address: 80.80.227.231
Hosted by: safehostnet.com, aka net4all.ch, aka oxito.com, at the safehostnet.com datacenter in Geneva.


Whois summary: Moez Garsallaoui
garsallaoui @ hotmail . com
Duedingen SWITZERLAND

Posted by aaron at August 30, 2004 11:09 AM

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ON THE NET...

http://www.islamic-minbar.com/forum/
http://www.islamic-minbar.com/

[Cindy]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/24/world/main638203.shtml

"Russia Plane Suspects: Roomies"

MOSCOW, Aug. 30, 2004
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "(AP) They lived in the same apartment in Chechnya, worked in the same market and may have died within moments of each other on separate airliners that crashed in Russia last week.

New details emerged Monday about the two Chechen women who are the focus of suspicion that the planes were blown up by terrorists.

Russian investigators continued piecing together information about the Tuesday crashes that killed a total of 90 people."

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Read the detailed report, he was wearing slip on shoes. Penny loafers.

Yea, yea I know. I called him a he.

He had a beard and a deep voice but of course my mind is lying to me.

[Chani]

bttt

[Cindy]

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=556765

"Moscow fears two suicide bombers at large"


By Andrew Osborn in Moscow


31 August 2004



ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Fears were growing yesterday that two "black widows" - female Chechen suicide bombers - were on the loose in Moscow, less than a week after two passenger airliners were blown out of the sky.


The two prime suspects in last week's explosions have been identified as the Chechens Amant Nagaeva and Satsita Dzhebirkhanova. Both had lost brothers in Chechnya's hostilities with Russia. Remains of the women's bodies were found in the wreckage of both planes, along with traces of a high explosive favoured by Chechen separatists. Eighty-nine people died in the almost simultaneous explosions.


The daily Izvestia reported yesterday that the two women did not travel to Moscow alone. The newspaper said that they had come with two other Chechen women with whom they had been living in Grozny, Chechnya's capital, Maryam Taburova and Roza Nagaeva (Amant's sister)."

[Cindy]

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/01/crewmembers.shtml

"Plane Bombers Had Accomplices in Moscow Airport — Air Chief"

Created: 01.09.2004 17:22 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 18:28 MSK, 3 hours 46 minutes ago

MosNews
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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/01/plane.shtml

Chechen Women Put Off Plane to Moscow


Created: 01.09.2004 21:18 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 21:18 MSK, 58 minutes ago




MosNews

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The passengers and the crew of a plane from an Egypt resort to Moscow refused to fly when two Chechen women tried to get on board.

The Egyptian authorities asked to let the women get on the plane, Trud newspaper wrote. The crew was terrified by the last disasters in Russia. The pilots said the Chechens behaved suspiciously. They locked themselves in the toilet right after they had got on board, the paper quoted the pilots as saying.

The crew demanded the women to leave the plane that flew from Sharm al-Sheykh with two-hour delay."

[Cindy]

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10682726%255E401,00.html

"Russia set for 9/11-style overhaul"
By Christopher Boian in Moscow
September 6, 2004


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "He said tightening control over Russia's borders would be a central object of the security review as neglect of border security since the breakup of the Soviet Union had left Russia "unprotected from both the West and the East"."

[Cindy]

TRINIDAD & TOBAGO EXPRESS: "RUSSIAN TERROR LINK - BWIA Jet on Islamic Website" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The image showing a BWIA Lockheed L 1011 Tri Star with the wing and fuselage exploding, was posted on August 25. It bears reference to Chechyna's 10-year war with Russia seeking independence. BWIA decommissioned the L 1011, along with three others, a few years ago. They have been replaced by the Airbus A340.") (September 6, 2004) (Read More...)

[Cindy]

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/09/b5678f93-1b1c-4b05-bdea-5fba011776c7.html

Tuesday, 07 September 2004

"?Moscow Police Arrest Plane-Bombing Suspects"

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "7 September 2004 -- Moscow police have arrested two suspects over the blowing up of two Russian airplanes last month that killed 89 people.

An official at the Prosecutor General's Office refused to disclose the names of the suspects or details about the arrests.

Russian news agencies said one of the suspects, identified as Armen Arutyunov from the southern Krasnodar region, was arrested yesterday at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport. He allegedly acknowledged selling seats on board the planes to two women suspected of blowing up the airliners and also helped them evade security controls, although he claimed not to have known of their plans."


(AFP/ITAR-TASS/Interfax)

[Cindy]

http://www.iht.com/articles/538118.html

"Russia's 'black widows'"

 Steven Lee Myers/NYT NYT

Friday, September 10, 2004

"Chechen women entangled in terrorism"

[Cindy]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/09/003184print.html


September 13, 2004


"Jihadists Issue New Warning To Russia"


SNIPPET: "They say they didn't carry out the Beslan atrocities, but they did down the airliners, and they are promising more. From Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, with thanks to Nicolei:

The murky group calling itself the Islambouli Brigades issued a call on 9 September to "all our cells in every region of Russia to launch a destructive war." The text of the message as reproduced in English on the globalterroralert.com website reads:"


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GOOGLE Search Term: "Islambouli Brigades"
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Islambouli+Brigades%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&filter=0

[Cindy]

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/9_04/chechnya.htm

Special Information
Bulletin

Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center
at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S)

September 2004

 
"Hamas identifies with and supports Chechen and international Islamic terrorism on CDs found in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. The CDs are distributed by Hamas to Palestinian youth in various educational institutions"

[Cindy]

To: All



http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40080000/jpg/_40080606_basayev203body.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3664864.stm

Last Updated: Friday, 17 September, 2004, 16:23 GMT 17:23 UK ?

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"Chechen rebel claims Beslan siege"




ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Shamil Basayev has a $10m bounty on his head
Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev has said he organised the Russian school siege in which at least 320 hostages were killed, many of them children.

In a letter published by leading rebel websites, he said a suicide battalion had carried out the Beslan attack.

The letter also claimed bomb attacks on two Russian airliners and a Moscow metro station this summer.

Russia is offering $10m for the capture of Mr Basayev, whose reported actions a US official described as "inhuman"."

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http://english.pravda.ru/img/2004/09/rizhskaya.jpg
http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/96/382/14245_basayev.html

"Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claims responsibility for recent terrorist attacks in Russia"

09/17/2004 11:43

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "According to Basayev, the attack in Beslan cost him 8,000 euros

Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for explosions in Moscow, including the recent blast near the Rizhskaya metro station, the air crashes of the Tu-154 and Tu-134 airliners and the hostage crisis in Beslan, according to a Chechen terrorist website.

"The group Riyadus-Salikhin has conducted a series of successful operations on the territory of Russia. The explosions on the Kashirskoye Highway and near the Rizhskaya metro station were organized by the Moscow regional division of Shakhids. The two air crashes were organized by the special operations department. The operation Nord-West in the town of Beslan was carried out by the second battalion of Shakhids, under the command of Colonel Orstkhoev," a statement from Basayev runs. 

It was Chechen terrorist Shamil Basayev, who set up the Islamic battalion of Shakhids, Riyadus-Salikhin. According to Russian special services, Basayev organized terrorist acts in Budennovsk in 1995 (when terrorists took hundreds hostage at a local hospital) and in Moscow in 2002 (the hostage crisis at the Moscow music theatre).

In the middle of July, Basayev announced that new operations were being prepared to cause serious damage to federal forces both militarily and politically."


Posted on 09/17/2004 6:03:33 PM PDT by Cindy

[Cindy]

THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS AN EXACT QUOTE:
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http://internet-haganah.us/harchives/002757.html
September 18, 2004
Kavkaz Center websites: down

The official sites of the Chechen jihadists, now removed by order of the Lithuania government's Defense Council. This decision follows reports that the Chechens had posted on the site
an offer of $20 million for assistance in detaining Russian President Vladimir Putin
upon which event the Lithuanian ambassador to Russia was summoned to the Kremlin. Previously the Lithuanian police had seized the server hosting these sites, only to be order to return the server by a Lithuanian court.

Affected are the following domains:

kavkazcenter.com
kavkaz.org.uk
kavkazcenter.net
kavkazcenter.info
kavkaz.tv
?????

I can't wait to see who is stupid enough to provide hosting for these sites next. Stay tuned...

Meanwhile, Hamas continues to operated the palestinianforum.net site from a server in Moscow...
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palestinianforum.net
195.42.183.35
Datacenter: DataForce
3rd Samotechny per.,11
103473 Moscow, Russia
phone: +7 095 7375667
fax-no: +7 095 7373246
info@dataforce.net
Posted by aaron at September 18, 2004 10:46 AM

[Cindy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220604/posts

"Hamas identifies with and supports Chechen and international Islamic terrorism
Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (Israel) ^ | September 2004 | Center for Special Studies"


Posted on 09/19/2004 9:53:20 AM PDT by yonif



"Hamas identifies with and supports Chechen and international Islamic terrorism on CDs found in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. The CDs are distributed by Hamas to Palestinian youth in various educational institutions"