Posted on 08/27/2004 1:07:15 AM PDT by Kornev
There are lies, dam* lies and STATISTICS.
Mark Twain
Not answering my point, since I'm talking about a universe of TWO planes - that never happened before.
Probably suicide widows from the Chechen war. Read this article from 2003
http://www.dawn.com/2003/05/28/int11.htm
Chechnya's suicide widows new threat for Russia
By Clara Ferreira-Marques
MOSCOW: Shakhidat Baymuradova, a rifle slung on her back, fought alongside her husband in the ranks of Chechen rebels until he was killed by Russian troops in 1999.
This month, her hair tucked in a headscarf, she strapped explosives to her waist and blew herself up at a festival where pro-Moscow officials had gathered. At least 16 people were killed.
Baymuradova, 46, whose first name translates as "martyrdom" in Arabic, was the latest in a string of female suicide bombers to strike in Chechnya over the last year - a frightening new form of rebel action in a decade-old conflict.
Women have traditionally been excluded from the fighting that has razed Chechnya, on Russia's southern fringe. Suicide attacks were almost unheard of in the first years of fighting. But the "black widows" have become a new threat to Moscow, already shaken by almost daily losses. Baymuradova's suicide attack on May 14 - an assassination attempt on a top pro-Moscow official who in the end escaped unhurt - also killed her woman accomplice.
Two days earlier, another woman was part of an attack in the region's usually peaceful north, driving a truck packed with explosives into a government complex.
"We are witnessing an escalation of the violence in Chechnya," said Salambek Maigov, a rebel envoy to Moscow." Seeing that Moscow's promises are empty, people are taking extreme measures. The Kremlin has finally lost control of the situation in Chechnya."
"BLACK WIDOWS": Kremlin officials dismiss the women, saying they act in isolation, bankrolled by mercenaries. They say a March referendum, which showed overwhelming popular support for Chechnya remaining part of Russia, showed the region is on track for Moscow's peace plan which calls for elections for a regional president and assembly.
"All terrorist acts committed by kamikaze suicide bombers are organised by Arab mercenaries," Ilya Shabalkin, a spokesman for Russia's anti-terrorist operations in Chechnya, said after Baymuradova's attack. "They use this same tactic in Israel." But Chechen rebel leaders describe the attacks as the illustration of widespread despair in the region, where they say the much-publicised vote has had little impact on real life.
"I cannot see any religious meaning behind these actions," rebel envoy Akhmad Zakayev said by telephone from London. "They spring from a desire for revenge."
Kheda Yusupova, from the village of Urus-Martan southwest of the Chechen capital Grozny, said grief made women easy prey." These women are motivated only by vengeance, and the rebels use this," Yusupova said. "It is only revenge. All the rewards on this earth are irrelevant for a person burdened with grief."
The first major suicide attack in the region came in June 2000, early in Russia's second campaign to contain separatist fighters in the region. Two women drove a truck crammed with explosives into a police building - one was Khava Barayeva, a relative of guerrilla leader Movsar Barayev who orchestrated last year's siege of a Moscow theatre in which 129 people died.
Barayeva's attack was so novel that it was recorded in song by one of Chechnya's most popular artists.The idea that women could fight for the Chechen cause did not hit home for most Russians, however, until the Moscow siege.
Several young women fighters appeared on footage aired on national television after Russian special forces ended the siege with a powerful gas before shooting the rebels.
Their faces covered by the hijab, they lolled dead in their seats. Most, said hostages who had spoken to them during the siege, had lost men folk in the war.
In a refugee camp in Ingushetia, on Chechnya's western border, another refugee, who refused to give her name, said four of her sons had been captured in Russian raids.
Zakayev, a spokesman for Chechnya's separatist president Aslan Maskhadov, said there would be more bombings as extreme factions of Chechnya's separatist movement - including warlord Shamil Basayev - gained prominence
body cavity bombers.
One of the worst things to die is through an air crash because being in an airplane cloaks you with a feeling of luxury. But look at 9-11 and the ElAl near miss.
Explosives Found in Russian Jet Wreckage
http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-8/109356748066360.xml&storylist=international
Well actually Putin has all his troops in Chechnya where they have been fighting terrorist muslims for 10 years. Do you remember that little theater take over a year and a half ago? Or the Moscow apartment bombings that killed several hundred? Not to criticize you... Russia knows too well what Muslim Terrorist can do. Russia has responded far more violently than we have to terrorist. They are not seen as the worlds good guys so people turn a blind eye to their response.
good news bad news? maybe they've run out of pilots that can steer.
Hello! The Russians are WELL aware that they are under attack by Muslim terrorists. WE in the U.S. are the ones who don't get it, because our twisted press always calls them "Chechen Rebels" or "Chechen Separatists" and fails to mention their radical Islamic nature. Our MSM does not want us to understand the global nature of this multiple front world war with radical Islam.
If Putin was really serious about fighting Islam based terrorism, he would have joined with the USA after the theater fiasco in Russia! He didn't, and hung with the low life French and Germans. If had gotten together with the USA, we would have found OBL by now or killed him, Iran would be neutralized or free and the Middle East would be on its way toward stabilization.
if you put a bomb on a plane, why do you need to send along five guys with it?
The report I heard said the take offs were one hour apart.
I read a story where regular air was used to fill a tire on an aircraft. It heated up and caused a fire that caused the plane to crash.
somehow I bet we do not hear a tape from Osama proclaiming his admiration of this one. I think the Osamaphonic recording devices have been silent so long because they are running out of source archival footage.
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Putin is serious about fighting Islamic terrorism. He's also serious about triangulating and positioning Russia in the world power struggle. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
What morons still think this is something other than terrorism???
Someone criticized Russia for continuing to do biz with islamonazis. Haven't we?
How many examples would they like of American stupidity with isalmonazis currently going on? ;)
Yes there are alternative (non-terrorist) possibilities; but they are Soooooooo remote, that they don't really warrant serious consideration -- that is unless for some reason we are afraid to face the obvious.
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