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U.S. cannot ignore Iranís role in restoring stability in Iraq (Iranian Barf Alert)
Tehran Times ^ | August 29, 2004 | Tehran Times

Posted on 08/28/2004 5:41:20 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John

TEHRAN (MNA) -- President Mohammad Khatami asserted on Saturday that Iran is very powerful and that no country would dare to entertain the idea of engaging in military adventurism in Iran.

Khatami warned that any U.S. attack on Iran would be "suicidal".

"The Americans have to deal with their problems in Iraq first," the president told a news conference.

"I believe the Americans are still rational enough not to repeat their mistakes," he added, referring to the occupation of Iraq by U.S. forces.

Commenting on Israel's threat to attack Iran's nuclear installations, he said he believes that the Zionist regime is unlikely to take such a stupid measure.

The president went on to say that Israel is currently being overwhelmed by stone-throwing Palestinian youths.

Khatami said their awareness of the experiences Iran gained in its eight-year Sacred Defense (the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war) would prevent the U.S. and Israel from even thinking about attacking the country.

He rejected the claims of U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapons program, calling them baseless.

The president also announced that the Iranian nation, government, and armed forces are totally prepared to defend the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Khatami responded to the latest anti-Iranian propaganda, asserting that Iran was not stirring up violence in Iraq.

"The policy of Iran is to solve the problems of Iraq. We want calm in that country. We have problems with the United States, but we will never impose these problems on the Iraqis," he told reporters.

"Despite the unfriendly comments by some members of the Iraqi government and senseless comments, we have recognized the formation of this government as a step toward establishing democracy," he added as quoted by Reuters. He said that despite the arrests of pilgrims and the accusations against them Iran was adopting a policy of restraint "to avoid additional problems in Iraq."

"Today even the Americans know that without our presence in Afghanistan and Iraq they cannot do anything," the president said.

Khatami said the UN atomic watchdog must accept Iran's right to enrich uranium.

"We are still hoping that with the negotiations we have had, we will arrive at a logical solution -- that they recognize our right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes and accept us into the club," the president argued.

"After that there will be no problem" with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), he added.

On September 13, the IAEA is due to start a fresh round of discussions on Iran's nuclear activities and examine the progress of inspections.

"We want to master nuclear technology, that is to say to be able to make uranium enriched to 3.5 percent," AFP quoted him as saying.

"We don't want anything more. It is our right and nobody can deprive us of this technology," Khatami underscored, nevertheless promising "maximum cooperation" with the IAEA.

Khatami said that Iranian policy puts a premium on promoting peace and democracy all over the world, including in occupied Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

He added that the Islamic principles Iran is pursuing are consistent with the principles of democratic governments


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; iran; iranian; iraq; khatami; mohammadkhatami; regimechange; southwestasia; theyarenext
President Mohammad Khatami fashions himself as a "moderate." Ugh!!
1 posted on 08/28/2004 5:41:21 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Does Israel know it is overwhelmed by stone throwing Palestinians? LOL

Someone clue the Israelis in on this one!!!!


2 posted on 08/28/2004 5:43:37 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
He added that the Islamic principles Iran is pursuing are consistent with the principles of democratic governments

Of course if you vote differently than the Iranian government determines what the Sharia says you'll get your voting hand cut off.

3 posted on 08/28/2004 5:43:57 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (cong rec 27.3.86 jk speech doubleplusungood malreported cambodia rectify)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Khatami warned that any U.S. attack on Iran would be "suicidal".

F*ck it! Let's go ahead and find out.

4 posted on 08/28/2004 5:45:09 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
President Mohammad Khatami asserted on Saturday that Iran is very powerful and that no country would dare to entertain the idea of engaging in military adventurism in Iran.

I love these deluded potentates! No matter how many we crush like bugs, they keep poppin' off.

5 posted on 08/28/2004 5:51:55 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Saddam and Osama have been silenced - now the new Islamic big-mouth steps forward - Khatami. One by one.


6 posted on 08/28/2004 5:54:24 PM PDT by jolie560
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Khatami said their awareness of the experiences Iran gained in its eight-year Sacred Defense (the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war) would prevent the U.S. and Israel from even thinking about attacking the country.

This is funny! Yes you now understand that a country you could not defeat in 8 years, we defeated in 100 hours.

7 posted on 08/28/2004 5:55:54 PM PDT by AmericaUnited (It's time someone says the emperor has no clothes.)
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To: wagglebee

F*ck it! Let's go ahead and find out.

Damn Skippy!


8 posted on 08/28/2004 5:57:08 PM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: Dad2Angels
Dude - how about we push regime-change and supporting the Iranian people without bombing the shit out of Iran. Bombing will = strengthening the regime / mullahs which is exactly what the Terror Masters want. Read this article for more information: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201954/posts
9 posted on 08/28/2004 5:59:20 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
We're coming for you next, so shut up.


10 posted on 08/28/2004 6:09:10 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: faludeh_shirazi

I was just expressing some frustration. While I would love to be able to stop rope adoping with these neanderthals I realize it is much more complicated than tossing a few nukes their way.

But I have to say I'm not sure, in the end, it will matter how carefully we proceed with Iran or countries like it. In the end we may not be able to win 'The Arab Street'.


11 posted on 08/28/2004 6:26:51 PM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Their strategy is so transparent it's ridiculous. They know once Iraq and Afghanistan settle down we'll have a lot of troops, looking for something to do, right on their doorstep.

We could of course de-focus briefly on Iraq and focus our efforts upon Iran. Their ability to reak havoc will be significantly diminished if they are forced to focus their energy upon the home-front and keeping their sad asses alive.

I'd like to believe that the Iranian people will revolt but I simply don't see it. Our team gaming these things is the best there can be. I'm sure they'll make the right call and the thirty year reign of these prehistoric clerics will end.

LBT

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12 posted on 08/28/2004 6:27:13 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Dad2Angels

Thanks for your reply:

btw, Iranians are not Arabs - they are the Persian race and culture. Completely different than Arabs - we even cook our Kabob totally different.

Persians are the ones with all the deep culture, poetry, universal declaration of human rights, mathematicians, astronomers, carpets, etc.. Arabs basically are good at invading and destroying.


13 posted on 08/28/2004 6:40:18 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: LiberalBassTurds

Liberal: Would you like to make a wager? I bet that it will be the Iranian people who remove the regime -

let me know if you want to bet: If US works policy correctly the Mullahs will be gone within a matter of a few months - starting next week.


14 posted on 08/28/2004 6:41:33 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Good place to put a lot of troops from Europe and Korea would be right up against the Iranian border. We could also stand to fund and start training another division. If we combined that with bypassing big oil and taking the oil weapon entirely out of Mid-Eastern hands we'd win this thing big time. We don't need to invade, just call their bluff.


15 posted on 08/28/2004 6:50:20 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: faludeh_shirazi
Liberal: Would you like to make a wager? I bet that it will be the Iranian people who remove the regime -

let me know if you want to bet: If US works policy correctly the Mullahs will be gone within a matter of a few months - starting next week.


Sure. It's a bet I'd love to lose. :)

Lay out what you think are reasonable timeframes & benchmarks.

LBT

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16 posted on 08/28/2004 6:50:45 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: LiberalBassTurds

Let me sleep on it ;)


17 posted on 08/28/2004 6:58:54 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: faludeh_shirazi

I cannot tell, based on your response, whether you are Arab or Persian. My reference to the 'Arab Street' is from the popular lexicon of today and is meant to encompass all Muslims and our supposed need to 'win' their hearts and minds.

You'll excuse me if I have a VERY difficult time equating Iranians (Persians) or any predominantly Muslim country with Human Rights. I've seen too much over the past few years to buy into that.

As for the rest of the contributions on your list i.e. poetry, mathematicians, astronomers, all these ceased as soon as oil was discovered in the ME and Asian sub-continent and they decided they no longer needed to be concerned with the advancement of their societies or the rights of their citizens.

IMHO


18 posted on 08/28/2004 6:59:19 PM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: Dad2Angels

Actually Dad - incorrect:

First of all I am Persian: Second of all 'Arab Street' is a lowsy way to categorize all Muslims simply because there are millions upon millions of non-Arab muslims. Third: Persian culture and contributions to the world are some of the most important ever made by man. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was formulated by Cyrus The Great who was a great Persian general and leader - who freed thousands of Jews from Babylonian prisons. Have you ever heard of Omar Khayyam or Hafez or Ferdowsi or Rumi? Who do you think came up with Algebra? Who devised much of the physics and stuff we know about the universe and planets?

Okay - so you believe that Persians said "fuck it" and are responsible for the fanaticism eminating from the Middle East. If you believe that, then that's your perogative - but I hate to tell you, you're wrong. Persians in fact throughout history have been fighting fanaticism - whether from Islam or any other invading force. Persian Poetry and artwork always talks about and depicts a constant battle against the dirty clerics -

The true religion of Persians is Zoroastrianism - and I tell you it goes much much further back in history than Christianity, Judaism and Islam.. Where do you think much of the Christmas ideas come from or many celebrations in other religions?

'night


19 posted on 08/28/2004 9:45:51 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: faludeh_shirazi

You have your views and your obviously welcome to them.

As for the Persian "constant battle against the dirty clerics", your losing in a big way and the rest of the world is being forced to clean up the mess.

Bye


20 posted on 08/29/2004 5:23:32 AM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: Dad2Angels

What a statement - all I have to say is the Iranian people are not losing - and the only reason they have yet to overthrow the regime is because the Mullahs are supported by Europeans, Russia and china - and the US has yet to declare any policy with regard to fucking mullahs.

- get it now?


21 posted on 08/29/2004 9:36:13 AM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: faludeh_shirazi

Actuallly one more thing!

It's really irritating when someone who obviously doesn't know too much about the Middle East and the history talks as though he/she does and start condemning and criticizing.

You must be kidding me? I have no problem with people who are considerate and want to ask questions and learn - but you're speaking as though you know - when the fact is, you don't - so educate yourself and then come criticize or apologize..


22 posted on 08/29/2004 9:37:49 AM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: faludeh_shirazi

Once again it comes down to America and how we aren't doing what needs to be done.

We did not create the situation in Iran and I guarantee you the moment we take an active stance in on the situation there we will be accused by most of the rest of the world as well as a large chunk of the Iranian population as meddling in afairs that don't concern us and worse.

It always happens this way. Some area of the world screws up their own situation, we end up going in and cleaning it up.

This usually happens at the expense of American lives and lots of American taxpayer money and we get sh!t all over for our efforts.

GET IT NOW!!!


23 posted on 08/30/2004 4:56:58 AM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: Dad2Angels

No I don't get it because you're only partially correct.

The issue is thus: A Genious policy of Carter Admin and Europeans in the late 70s was to install Islamic Dictatorships in the middle east in order to create a "wall" or "buffer" if you will around Communism.

I believe US was suckered into such a policy by the European powers, who, to this day, continue their VERY STRONG BUSINESSANDTRADE ties with the MULLAHS!

The Iranian people didn't willingly bring these fascists to power. Many Iranians were upset at some of the policies of the Shah - but they didn't want to replace the Shah with the Khomenists - they only wanted to cause more changes and liberalizations - instead the British, French US smothered Iran with mind-war propoganda, etc.. and created the histeria and influence that resuled in the so-called "Islamic Republic of Iran" .. I tell you - Iranians first of all are not Arabs - they are Persians. Second of all, Iranians are in essence non-Islamic peoples. Islam was forced upon Persians by the Arabs - and Zoroastrianism (which is the most ancient monotheistice religion in the world) was persecuted and condemned by the barbaric Arabs.

The Iranian people are smart and they know their history. They are ready and willing to overthrow the regime but it has to happen at the right time and it needs the moral support of the United States government, otherwise - an uprising will occur and if there is no media attention and no support from US - the Europeans/Mullah alliance will crush the uprising as they always do!


24 posted on 08/30/2004 6:56:50 AM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

"The policy of Iran is to solve the problems of Iraq. We want calm in that country"

LOL!

"we have recognized the formation of this government as a step toward establishing democracy,"

Yeah, and th regime wants to destroy it as soon as possible.

Khatami is Really Something.


25 posted on 08/30/2004 7:55:42 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Dad2Angels

"We did not create the situation in Iran... "

Actually, we did. Carter did.


26 posted on 08/30/2004 7:56:50 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: faludeh_shirazi

I will not join in bashing of any people or culture. But I must add this to your posts as an addendum, beginning with a personal commentary.
Some individuals here are more ignorant than some of the Arabs they try to bash.
The primitive Arabs have a very good excuse. Misinformation, lack of possibility for education and a general ulterior motivated backwards religious superstition.
Here, in the western world, we are but a keyboard away from an Internet search, which clearly defines Iranians as Persians. From the ancient tribes of the Arian race. Thus the name Iran, which means Arian.
Though I would place the mullahs, as the most anti evolutionary bunch of hoodlums, they are not Arabs.
Even Ayatollah Sistani is a Persian born cleric with British aspirations of controlling Shiite Arab population in Southern Iraq.
Same as 50%+ of the Jewish Israelis that are Iranian born Persians including priminister Netanyahu and living in Israel.
There is nothing wrong with being Arab. Due to lack of recourses, just a larger majority of them have been denied education.
The Religion of Islam, if not viewed as means to power through separating the church and state can produce a very peace loving community of people. I know it sounds absurd now, but just recall when America’s best friend was Shah of Iran. (Shah means Persian King)
PS. USSSR went bankrupt in Afghanistan. There is an under appreciation for a prolong gorilla war that we need to be aware of. We might have declared the war operations over in 100 hours in Iraq. But we are plenty busy still mopping.

Keep up the fight for Irans Freedom.


27 posted on 08/30/2004 5:10:15 PM PDT by Reza2004
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To: Reza2004

I didn't know that Netanyahu was of Persian race -

do you have weblinks about his biograpohy?


28 posted on 08/30/2004 5:33:25 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
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To: Dad2Angels

A physical war with Iran is a can of warms you don’t want to open. They have sleepers everywhere around the world. The easiest way is from inside. These guys are nothing if people of Iran unite and organize. Support that.


29 posted on 09/14/2004 9:14:23 AM PDT by Reza2004
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