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Armed Gang Seizes 400 Hostages at Russia School
Reuters ^ | By Richard Balmforth

Posted on 09/01/2004 3:56:34 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246

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To: Grzegorz 246
OK, but religion is rather result of these believes, not the reason.

Religion and beliefs are ontegrated into one whole. As well you can say that beliefs are result of the religion.

And religion as a collective system of ultimate beliefs (the ones which are assumed by the society or a movement) in more general abstract meaning, can include marxism, national socialism or secular democracy.

41 posted on 09/02/2004 5:15:08 AM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: A. Pole
Communists didn't need religion. They created their own ideology. These terrorists, extremists aren't enough smart to create their own ideology, so they use religion. It's easier, because people in Muslin states are usually poor educated. I think that there is a big difference between Muslims in the USA and for example Muslims in Saudi Arabia, so I dare to say that It's not about religion or at least that religion is not the most important.
I guess that It would be possible to convince Christians somewhere in Central Africa that they should kill Muslims or Jews.
42 posted on 09/02/2004 6:37:22 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Communists didn't need religion. They created their own ideology.

Actually Communism IS a religion (as is the modern ideology of secularism, democracy, and free market).

Religion is a collective system of fundamental beliefs, asumptions, values, and behaviors, which organises the group, movement, society or culture.

The religious roots of Communism are well documented - Hegel in his synthesis of late Protestant theology and of the Enlightement made God the Absolute, which achieves self-realisation through the material universe and the historical dialectical progress.

Communists reversed Hegel's doctrine by believing that the material world itself aquires future divinity through the historical struggle. Thus the Communist worships the future mankind as god by joining the party (the church) and by the sacrifice of revolutionary activity. The Puritan dream of late Protestantism, the new world order of XVIIIc. deists, and the Jewish hope for the Mesianic kingdom in this world, are united in Marxism.

In this aspect, Communism is akin to National Socialism (based on race competition), modern sects (based on millenarist interpretation of the Bible) like Jehova Witnesses or some Protestant fundamentalists, the presently dominant social engineering of political correctness combined with the antinomian licence (promotion of pederasty for example), militant secularism (removal of more traditional religious competition), democracy (sacred voice of the people) and the blind trust in the magical power of free market.

43 posted on 09/02/2004 7:26:07 AM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...

Self serving ping.


44 posted on 09/02/2004 7:42:14 AM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: Grzegorz 246

St. Michael's Prayer (tweeked just a little)

St. Michael, The Archangel, defend these Russian Kids in their day of battle, be their defense, protection and safeguard, against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou oh prince, of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits who prowl through the world seeking the ruin of souls.

I advise all to say it for these kids.


45 posted on 09/02/2004 7:44:09 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: A. Pole
Self serving ping.

I really don't want to be on your ping list.

46 posted on 09/02/2004 7:46:17 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: A. Pole
I don't know theory of communism, I don't know too much about Islam - I've got more important things to do.
I just don't like this type of statements " Kill'em all ! Kill all Muslims ! " Some people were just born in Muslim families and It's not their fault. Usually people don't choose their religion.

I just found something interesting.
Look here.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1204955/posts?q=1&&page=51

Matthew Paul sometimes overacting a little, but look at "Hermann".
47 posted on 09/02/2004 7:48:36 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Always Right
I really don't want to be on your ping list.

No problem, you are removed.

48 posted on 09/02/2004 7:57:29 AM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: Grzegorz 246
In the middle ages Muslim culture or since were better developed than European/Christian and that's why I think that It's not about religion.

Demonstrated by what? Classic literature? Art? Scientific discoveries?

You provide the proof, please.

49 posted on 09/02/2004 8:28:05 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: MonroeDNA

The Spanish Inquisition was one of the finest moments in Spain, or Europe.

Not ALL the results were positive, just as not ALL the results of the Civil War were positive--e.g., the "reconstruction" governments forced on the South.

As any Google search will tell you, those who suffered deserved it (by and large,) no different from jurisprudence in USA today.


50 posted on 09/02/2004 8:30:30 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Grzegorz 246

APole is correct. The theo/philosophial system built from a particular religion is of primary importance in forming the religion's followers.

US Muslims are generally more amicable, partly because of the US cultural impact on them--but the US cultural impact is based on Christianity--the brotherhood of man is based on 'sonship' under God, etc., etc.


51 posted on 09/02/2004 8:35:04 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: A. Pole

Well said.

Indeed, Communism is a religion without God--but having a god.

Chesterton remarked on that: "The old tyrants invoked the past. The NEW tyrants invoke the future."


52 posted on 09/02/2004 8:38:16 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: RussianConservative

Any insights on the school matter?


53 posted on 09/02/2004 8:40:56 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: A. Pole
> Religion is a collective system of fundamental beliefs, asumptions, values, and behaviors, which organises the group ...

Some are, some aren't.
Judaism and its "Son"
Christianity

are solely concerned
with an individual's
response to God's love

and our Fallen flesh.
Any "collective" aspect
to these religions

is secondary
(and usually man-made
corruption of faith).

That's why Christian soil
saw the germination of
capitalism . . .

54 posted on 09/02/2004 2:23:24 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: PaulJ
It looks like terrorists have gotten even more filthy, if that's possible.

Muslims won't stop at anything --- you see them strapping bombs onto their own children just to kill a handful of innocent Israelis at a bus stop. These people are soul-less and evil.

55 posted on 09/02/2004 5:46:14 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ninenot

I believe the children will die or at least large percentage. Some of these men already discovered and authorities to gather up their families...revenge indeed...also the Ossessians, though Christian, not new to revenge...they shall now go and burn and massacre Chechins in revenge...this may turn to general war of various groups and in the world of today with no major Islamic state so close to aid, this may turn to general washing away of Islam from Caucus, where it is minority (though large minority). If so, though it is something best happen by conversion, it is long overdue.


56 posted on 09/02/2004 8:25:45 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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