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Bloody end to Russia school siege
BBC ^ | 03/09/2004 | BBC WORLD

Posted on 09/03/2004 6:21:32 AM PDT by SpikeMike

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To: Red Badger

Since I don't really pay much attention to the MSM I don't know what they have been calling them. When I was brought up I was taught to call a spade a spade. I do think that I heard Rush calling them Islamic Terrorist. This is going to be a long war and I would call it a religious one.


21 posted on 09/03/2004 6:42:32 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: tomahawk

Word is around 150 dead. Horrible.

Given the circumstances, 10% loss rate is about as good as could be hoped for.


22 posted on 09/03/2004 6:43:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: SpikeMike

Boze pomazi!


23 posted on 09/03/2004 6:48:14 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Max Cleland : The jock-sniffer for war veterans/Coulter 2/2004)
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To: Piquaboy
Were these Islamic Terrorist?

From http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/63/077.html

The Chechens and Ingush are Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi school, having converted in the late 17th to early 19th centuries. Islam is now, as it has been since the conversion, moderate but strongly held and a central component of the culture and the ethnic identity.

The Chechens have evidently been in or near their present territory for some 6000 years and perhaps much longer; there is fairly seamless archeological continuity for the last 8000 years or more in central Daghestan, suggesting that the Nakh-Daghestanian language family is long indigenous. The Caucasian highlands were apparently relatively populous and prosperous in ancient times. From the late middle ages until the 19th century, a worldwide cooling phase known as the Little Ice Age caused glacial advances and shortened growing seasons in the alpine highlands, weakening the highland economies and triggering migrations to the lowlands and abandonment of some alpine villages. This period of economic hardship coincided with the Russian conquest of the Caucasus which lasted from the late 1500's to the mid-1800's.

In all of recorded history and inferable prehistory the Chechens (and for that matter the Ingush) have never undertaken battle except in defense. The Russian conquest of the Caucasus was difficult and bloody, and the Chechens and Ingush with their extensive lowlands territory and access to the central pass were prime targets and were among the most tenacious defenders. Russia destroyed lowlands villages and deported, exiled, or slaughtered civilian population, forcing capitulation of the highlands. Numerous refugees migrated or were deported to various Muslim countries of the middle east, and to this day there are Chechen populations in Jordan and Turkey. Since then there have been various Chechen rebellions against Russian and Soviet power, as well as resistance to collectivization, anti-religious campaigns, and Russification.

In 1944 the Chechens and Ingush, together with the Karachay-Balkar, Crimean Tatars, and other nationalities were deported en masse to Kazakhstan and Siberia, losing at least one-quarter and perhaps half of their population in transit. Though "rehabilitated" in 1956 and allowed to return in 1957, they lost land, economic resources, and civil rights; since then, under both Soviet and post-Soviet governments, they have been the objects of (official and unofficial) discrimination and discriminatory public discourse. In recent years, Russian media have depicted the Chechen nation and/or nationality as thugs and bandits responsible for organized crime and street violence in Russia.

Payback for years of Russian brutality is my take...

24 posted on 09/03/2004 6:50:24 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Piquaboy

If you listen to radio news or your local newspaper, pay attention to the reports about Palestinian actions or other terrorists around the world. The subtle way the MSM reports these accounts is to NEVER refer to these actions as 1. TERRORISTS or 2. ISLAMIC. The MSM would have us believe these are the actions of "militants" or "freedom fighters" or simply "fighters" i.e. against the "Cruel and Un-just Western Powers". Aldous Huxley wrote that the main triumph of propaganda is not in what it says, but in what it doesn't say....


25 posted on 09/03/2004 6:54:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Hillary has a Coke Bottle figure....3 LITER!)
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To: Red Badger

Red Badger, you are spot on. It's what they don't say. They are so smug. Militants. Separatists. The average news consumer has no clue that this latest horror is another front in Radical Islam's all-out assault on the non-Muslim world. And they'll never figure it out. And the MSM will make sure they don't.


26 posted on 09/03/2004 6:59:15 AM PDT by LikeLight (__________________________)
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To: Red Badger

Can somebody point me to a source that makes a credible/documented case for these aholes being Islamists? I want to rub a libs face in it.


27 posted on 09/03/2004 7:00:40 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/001027.php


28 posted on 09/03/2004 7:09:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Hillary has a Coke Bottle figure....3 LITER!)
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To: Dallas59
Where's CAIR or CIAR...(whatever) when you need them?

Making bomb belts in the basement of the mosque, no doubt...

29 posted on 09/03/2004 7:12:07 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: jimmyray
Pardon my bluntness, but your "take" is stupid. Even if all the other things you said are true, it is NEVER appropriate or justified to slaughter innocent children like animals. Pigs like these either need to convert to the TRUE religion of peace or need to be wiped out.
30 posted on 09/03/2004 7:13:02 AM PDT by jonboy
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To: Kenton

Interesting that we never hear the slightest public condemnation of these atrocities and their rotten perpetrators by the mullahs when they are ongoing and they can do some good. Only afterwards, when they see how angry non-muslims are at this (and other) nbelievable atocities will we hear a peep out of them. And it will be too late, too soft and too lightly believed.


31 posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:03 AM PDT by laconic
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To: jimmyray

It sounds like the Russian media was right about the Chechens -- thugs and criminals.


32 posted on 09/03/2004 7:15:29 AM PDT by bboop
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To: tomahawk

DESTROYED!


33 posted on 09/03/2004 7:16:19 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: jimmyray

You forgot to mention the widespread cooperation by the Chechens with the Nazis during World War 2. Or was this merely an inconvenient fact in your diatribe?


34 posted on 09/03/2004 7:16:48 AM PDT by laconic
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/03/content_371492.htm

Some pictures with article


35 posted on 09/03/2004 7:19:14 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: KJacob

No no no. They were "insurgents", "rebels", "gunmen" and "bombbelt women".


36 posted on 09/03/2004 7:21:20 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw

Oh. And I forgot "militants". Certainly not "terrorists".


37 posted on 09/03/2004 7:22:21 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: Red Badger

Great start, thanks! Do we know whether the group that was holding the kids hostage are one of the groups listed?


38 posted on 09/03/2004 7:31:07 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: .38sw

pMSNBC calls them terrorists on their home page headline.


39 posted on 09/03/2004 7:39:00 AM PDT by weatherFrEaK (Who, me?)
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To: weatherFrEaK

Same with Fox, but not CNN.


40 posted on 09/03/2004 7:40:54 AM PDT by weatherFrEaK (Who, me?)
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