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CA: Cost of illegal-immigrant labor exceeds benefits
LA Daily News ^ | 9/3/04 | Jon Coupal

Posted on 09/03/2004 8:39:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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Jon Coupal is president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.
1 posted on 09/03/2004 8:39:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Funny how from 1776 - 1965, the dishes in restaurants still got washed without massive illegal immigration. How did they do it?
2 posted on 09/03/2004 8:46:33 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: NormsRevenge
That's a good summary of the issue.

Illegal immigrants may be devestating for taxpayers and for American workers, but by serving to depress wages, they are great for American employers. And that's the real reason that the government is encouraging illegal immigration. ;-)

3 posted on 09/03/2004 8:47:24 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: 2banana
Funny how from 1776 - 1965, the dishes in restaurants still got washed without massive illegal immigration. How did they do it?

Beautiful! But part of the reason is that dishwashing is beneath most Americans these days. That doesn't lessen your argument though.

4 posted on 09/03/2004 8:49:11 AM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: NormsRevenge
Yes, without an illegal-immigrant labor force the price of a hamburger might go up a dime, but it is just as likely that the reduction in the tax burden would more than compensate for any increase in consumer prices.

Not only that but technology will be invented that will help decrease the need for the labor the invaders now perform, just like in Australia.

5 posted on 09/03/2004 8:49:41 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: NormsRevenge
More & more articles critical of illegal immigration showing up in SoCA publications.

Better late than never, but probably too late to positively effect the situation.

6 posted on 09/03/2004 8:50:26 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Minuteman23
But part of the reason is that dishwashing is beneath most Americans these days.

when our economy crashes hard due to a burgeoning socialist system and failure to maintain a cultural stability, nothing will be "beneath" americans. I don't believe any job is now, either.

7 posted on 09/03/2004 8:52:38 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
"they are great for American employers."

They are essential for a growing economy. Without immigrant labor (Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Polish, Indian, Mexican, German, Italian, etc...) our economy would have stagnated long ago. Legal or illegal, there's no difference. They come because we need them.

Don't be an economic girlie man.

8 posted on 09/03/2004 8:54:04 AM PDT by bayourod (You're either for President Bush or against him. There is no "but...")
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To: 2banana
Funny how from 1776 - 1965, the dishes in restaurants still got washed without massive illegal immigration. How did they do it?

Irish, Italians, Russian Jews and Chinese did it. Legal Mexican immigrants in the Southwest from Texas to So. Cal. Oh, and Blacks. But too many people now would rather be on welfare than work "menial" jobs for little more than they get on welfare, if not actually less.

9 posted on 09/03/2004 8:55:52 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: NormsRevenge

bump the illegals out


10 posted on 09/03/2004 8:59:18 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: 2banana

Masive proper legal immigration and teenagers..... that right teenagers.... get those punks off the streets and in washing dishes.... (Boy I feel better after that!)

:)


11 posted on 09/03/2004 9:03:41 AM PDT by Americanwolf (Zell Miller for Secretary of Defense against liberals! (jeez spitballs.. now thats funny!))
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory
Yes, without an illegal-immigrant labor force the price of a hamburger might go up a dime, but it is just as likely that the reduction in the tax burden would more than compensate for any increase in consumer prices.
Not only that but technology will be invented that will help decrease the need for the labor the invaders now perform, just like in Australia.

BINGO! Without illegals picking the lettuce, we always hear the threat of prices like $10-a-head, as if we HAD to buy it. The first time lettuce got too expensive, it would rot in the fields. The farmers would scream bloody murder. The following year some smart guys at an agricultural college would invent a lettuce-picking machine and the prices would go back to normal.

A side effect of slavery, whether in ancient times or in the pre-1861 U.S., was its smothering effect on innovation and invention. If you can always have cheap/slave labor, why invent labor-saving machinery?

12 posted on 09/03/2004 9:05:37 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: bayourod

I don't think that I offered any opinion on whether the interests of American employers (who benefit from hiring illegal aliens) deserve or do not deserve priority over the interests of American workers and American taxpayers (who pay the costs). ;-)


13 posted on 09/03/2004 9:07:08 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Oatka
A side effect of slavery, whether in ancient times or in the pre-1861 U.S., was its smothering effect on innovation and invention. If you can always have cheap/slave labor, why invent labor-saving machinery?

Absolutely.

You have correctly identified the exploitation of illegals as slavery. All too many of the open borders crowd fail to see the immorality of the situation, not to mention the cultural and economic costs which are hidden from us.

Perhaps that lettuce will cost slighly more. Other costs which are lower will compensate. I trust the free market to handle it.

14 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:11 AM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Excellent article and right on the button.
15 posted on 09/03/2004 9:57:18 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Property owners in the county are now paying an additional tax specifically to prop up the trauma care system, nearly half of whose clients are undocumented aliens.

they should have just taxed tacos, instead

16 posted on 09/03/2004 10:09:41 AM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: NormsRevenge
These wages would be declared for tax purposes and these wages would be spent here in the U.S. instead of being sent home, as is often the case with undocumented workers.

It is also telling that the illegals have excess income to send home, but they don't have money to pay their medical bills. We're getting shaken down by the illegals and their representatives in the California legislature.

17 posted on 09/03/2004 10:12:15 AM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: bayourod

>>>" They are essential for a growing economy."

Au contraire,

as Milton Friedman said... you can't have massive, illegal immigration when you also hand out welfare.

Take a tour of the emergency rooms at the downtown hospitals of all large cities. You'll find the illegals gathered there for normal medical care. You'll also find a bankrupt hospital and taxpayers saddled with the result of your open immigration, libertarian economics.

Hoppy


18 posted on 09/03/2004 10:12:57 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: gubamyster

PING


19 posted on 09/03/2004 10:16:14 AM PDT by RepublicanReptile (Open your Mind, Close the Borders)
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