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CA: Cost of illegal-immigrant labor exceeds benefits
LA Daily News ^ | 9/3/04 | Jon Coupal

Posted on 09/03/2004 8:39:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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51 posted on 09/04/2004 12:08:57 AM PDT by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: bayourod
I live in Pocatello, Idaho. The teenagers in this town are the ones who wash dishes, wait tables, wash cars, collect shopping baskets. The same types of jobs that teenage kids did when I was a teen in San Diego in the 70's. American kids are quite willing to do those jobs.

Southern California is full of illegal immigrants. They take jobs that teenage Americans would do...if they were not pre-empted by illegals. My son worked around the deficiency of being a white, male American citizen by becoming fluent in Spanish. The bilingual hiring preference that usually favors an illegal immigrant with limited English skills can be turned on its head. He's not flipping burgers anymore either. As a 21-year old licensed California real estate agent, he sells 15 to 20 houses a month to a predominantly Spanish speaking customer base.

52 posted on 09/04/2004 12:46:00 AM PDT by Myrddin
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Partly because in most restaurants, machines actually wash the dishes.

I washed dishes for Farrell's Ice Cream in high school. Someone still has to rinse and rack the dishes before putting them through the wash/sanitize machine. Once complete, someone has to put the clean dishes where they are accessible to the cook/wait/fountain staff. That someone is the dishwasher.

I got tired of washing dishes pretty fast. It took a whole two weeks to pass all the written tests and practicals to switch to the cook position. Another couple of weeks to learn all the fountain stuff. It was on Ok job for a high school senior to cover costs for the prom, class ring and annual.

53 posted on 09/04/2004 12:54:06 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Minuteman23
Beautiful! But part of the reason is that dishwashing is beneath most Americans these days.

A friend of mine's dad was a pilot laid off by TWA in the late 80s. His father found work at a deli in a local supermarket making minimum wage.

When you have a family to feed, nothing is beneath you.

54 posted on 09/04/2004 7:50:27 AM PDT by HennepinPrisoner
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To: NormsRevenge

We are in the midst of a great game of Monopoly and the middle class always draws the card "Pass go do not collect 200 dollars", but instead pay out.

55 posted on 09/04/2004 8:34:34 AM PDT by junta
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To: Regulator

Thanks for the article. I have it archived.

Bummer about shutting down UC Davis. They came up with some great stuff. We had an almond tree behind our house in Stockton. We had to take long bamboo poles and knock the ripe nuts off the limbs and were told that's how they did it on the farms. The next year UC Davis came up with a bulldozer that was modified with two padded gripper arms. The farmers would lay out a large circular canvas sheet around the base of the tree, run the dozer in close enough the grab the tree trunk, and then proceeded to shake hell out of the tree. Ergo, a canvas full of ripe nuts in minutes.

The following year they were giving cherry trees, and probably others, an electric shock to fool them into blooming again and getting a double crop,

The mind reels at what those types of boys could do today if turned loose.

56 posted on 09/04/2004 3:39:59 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Oatka
Sorry for not getting back! I did a little more WebSearching and mostly got a bezillion tomato picking machine references, not a lot of lettuce ideas. But one that I did read referred to machines in common use that only require a little marching army ahead of it to cut the head and leave it in the field. Seems as if a simple thing like that could be easily automated with current day machine vision techniques or something simpler.

Undoubtedly, what's going on in the farm labor field is all about jobs for the desperate of Mexico, and not a lot about "efficient" farming.

57 posted on 09/04/2004 6:05:27 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Oatka
Now here's an interesting link that I came up with looking for lettuce links: Antle Farm Workers Show Their colors
58 posted on 09/04/2004 6:08:23 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Myrddin
I certainly can't disagree with anything you said. In the past I have owned pizza delivery stores. The best part was being able to interact with the teenage employees and customers. They are a good bunch of kids. I congratulate you on raising a fine son.

But having been an employer in a number of different businesses I have an appreciation of the value of labor. At times my definition of a good employee was anyone above room temperature. We currently have an extremely tight labor market. Friends tell me they can't find any qualified dependable employees.

Every successful business owner will tell you that it is very important to rtain good employees and get quickly rid of bad employees.

A bad employee can cost you business, can result in lawsuits, and can run off good employees. Successful businesses reward good employees with raises, bonuses, special benefits ect...

I saw a national chain body shop go out of business because they couldn't find skilled body men. They were even paying double time to employees of other shops who would come in after they got off from their first job and work a night shift. Printers, jobbers, light manufacturers, and service companies are hurting because they can't find employees. They are offering good pay but are not getting qualified applicants.

Employers do not like to have employees who are subject to arrest and deportation at any time. Given the choice between an employee who is current with INS and one that is out of status (for whatever reason) the employer will pick the legal one. I lost an employee upon whom I had expended considerable resources training after 9/11. His student visa renewal had been denied several years previous. He was afraid of the after 0/11 crackdown on out of status immigrants, so he returned to Greece. I didn't know when I hired him that he was illegal. I didn't even know he was an immigrant.

There are lots of reforms needed in both our labor laws and immigration laws. But the answer is not to shut down American businesses. When a business folds, has to outsource or moves over seas, ALL employees, not just the illegal ones lose.

59 posted on 09/04/2004 8:23:16 PM PDT by bayourod (You're either for President Bush or against him. There is no "but...")
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To: NormsRevenge
That's why I always laugh when I hear some genius say, "Sooooo, do you want to pay $6 for a head of lettuce?"
60 posted on 09/04/2004 8:27:22 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: bayourod
The labor market for local teens is seasonally dependent. Many of the kids working at my favorite restaurant have departed in recent weeks to attend college. They have been replaced by people who are high school grads, but didn't attend college. We have a surplus of qualified and unemployed people in this area. The college grads leave town as soon as they graduate. There are few businesses with openings for individuals with a college degree. There is a glut of labor supply for positions that don't require college degrees.

The guy that runs my favorite gun and pawn shop is a former farmer. He faced legal obstacles to determining whether an employee was a legal immigrant or flashing phoney id. Any attempt to check the id would bring charges of violating the applicant's civil rights. He saw the same people applying for work with different id in consecutive years. The simple solution for him was to just stop farming.

61 posted on 09/04/2004 9:33:25 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: HennepinPrisoner
When you have a family to feed, nothing is beneath you.

That's as it should be, but that's not as it is, thanks to the welfare state.

62 posted on 09/06/2004 11:53:36 AM PDT by Minuteman23
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