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Putin sees Russian tragedy (reports of what the Islamboulis did to children-blood boiling)
theage.com.au ^ | September 4, 2004 - 2:19PM | AP

Posted on 09/03/2004 11:15:02 PM PDT by Destro

Putin sees Russian tragedy

September 4, 2004 - 2:19PM

Russian President Vladimir Putin has visited the town where commandos stormed a school in which militants were holding hundreds hostage in a chaotic battle that left at least 95 people dead.

"All Russia grieves with you," Putin said during a meeting with local officials in Beslan in the North Ossetia region, broadcast on government television.

He said targeting children made the hostage crisis worse than other acts of terrorism: "Even alongside the most cruel attacks of the past this terrorist act occupies a special place because it was aimed at children."

He said he had ordered the region's borders closed while officials search for everyone connected with the attack.

Putin arrived with smoke still rising from the shattered school, only hours after the last scattered shooting died away.

On Friday, commandos stormed the building and battled militants as crying children, some naked and covered with blood, managed to flee through explosions and gunfire.

They had endured more than two days during which the hostage takers herded them into the school gym, denied them food and water and threatened to kill them.

Other children lay dead on stretchers lined up outside.

Officials said they had identified 95 of the dead. The Interfax news agency, citing unidentified officials, said the toll was over 200.

The attack follows a suicide bomb attack outside a Moscow subway station Tuesday that killed eight people, and last week's near-simultaneous crash of two Russian jetliners last week after what officials believe were explosions on board.

Putin warned against letting the latest attack in North Ossetia stir up tensions in the multi-ethnic North Caucasus region.

"One of the goals of the terrorist was to sow ethnic enmity and blow up the North Caucasus," Putin said.

"Anyone who gives in to such a provocation will be viewed by us as abetting terrorism," he said.

During a hospital visit, a sombre Putin saw several of the victims, stopping to stroke the head of one injured child.

Russian authorities said the bloody end to the standoff came after explosions apparently set off by the militants - possibly by accident - as emergency workers were entering the school to collect the bodies of slain hostages.

As hostages took their chance to flee, the militants opened fire on them, and security forces - along with town residents who had brought their own weapons - opened covering fire to help the hostages escape.

Commandos stormed into the building and secured it, then chased fleeing militants in the town, with shooting lasting for 10 hours.

An explosives expert told NTV television that the hostage takers, themselves strapped with explosives, hung bombs from basketball hoops in the gym and set other explosive devices in the building. Bomb experts are examining the building.

The Federal Security Service chief in North Ossetia, Valery Andreyev, said that 10 militants killed in gunfights with security forces were from Arab countries, and Putin's adviser on Chechnya, Aslanbek Aslakhanov, said nine were "Arab mercenaries."

An Arab presence among the attackers would help Putin argue that the Russian campaign in neighbouring Chechnya, where mostly Muslim separatists have been fighting Russian forces in a brutal war for most of the past decade, is part of the war on international terrorism - seen by Putin's critics as an attempt to deflect human rights criticism.

The region's governor, Alexander Dzasokhov, said that the militants had demanded that Russian troops leave Chechnya - the first solid indication that the attack was connected to the rebellion.

The hostage crisis ended in chaos as fleeing hostages, many of them injured, streamed from the building into the surrounding area and parents searched frantically for their children. Ambulances couldn't carry all the injured and private cars were pressed into service.

Alla Gadieyeva, a 24-year-old hostage who was seized with her son and mother - all three were among the survivors - said the captors laughed when she asked them for water for her mother.

"When children began to faint, they laughed," Gadieyeva said. "They were totally indifferent."

Two emergency services workers were killed and three wounded during the chaos, Interfax reported. Eighteen wounded commandos were being treated in a Defence Ministry hospital in the town of Vladikavkaz, the news agency reported, most of them with bullet wounds.

The militants had reportedly threatened to blow up the building if authorities used force. Russian officials stressed that they had not planned to storm the school.

Intermittent negotiations led to the freeing of about 26 women and children on Thursday, and Russian officials and others had been in on-and-off contacts with the hostage-takers, but with few signs of progress toward a resolution.

Putin had said Thursday that everything possible would be done to end the "horrible" crisis and save the lives of the children and other hostages in this town of 35,000 people.

The gymnasium's roof collapsed during the assault, possibly because of the explosions, and the sprawling red-brick school was left a smoking ruin.

The militants had broken most of the windows early in the standoff in what may have been an effort to keep authorities from using knockout gas against them.

Two major hostage-taking raids by Chechen rebels outside the war-torn region in the past decade provoked Russian rescue operations that led to many deaths.

The seizure of a Moscow theatre in 2002 ended after a knockout gas was pumped into the building, debilitating the captors but causing almost all of the 129 hostage deaths.

In 1995 - during the first of two wars in Chechnya in the past decade - rebels led by guerrilla commander Shamil Basayev seized a hospital in the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk, taking some 2,000 people hostage. The six-day standoff ended with a fierce Russian assault, and some 100 people died.

© 2004 AP


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; cair; cairsilentonchechnya; chechnya; ossetia; putin; silencefromcair; silenceissupport; whereiscair
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Laughing as children faint and die! This is a Satanic cult. End it.
1 posted on 09/03/2004 11:15:03 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

still want to give the terrorists in Iran nukes, Putty?


2 posted on 09/03/2004 11:18:12 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Destro

Will THIS loosen the tongues of the Islamic world?


3 posted on 09/03/2004 11:20:11 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Destro

This is an example of what the writings that discriminate against non-Muslims in Islamic texts will always lead to. Time to change the legal status of these writings and 'teachings' based on them to hate speech - they have nothing at all to do with religion.


4 posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:59 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: fooman

Putin's answer? Mr. Bush are you still allowing Pakistan to have actuall nuclear arms - the same Pakistan that founded the Taliban and helped al-Qaeda and fought my allies (which you Americans used to overthrow your Paki allies' Taliban) the Northern Alliance?


5 posted on 09/03/2004 11:22:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

Arabs, Al Qaeda sponsored.

The idiots who say they war in Iraq have some explaining to do - why and how Chechen snipers ended up on al-Sadr's payrols; why and how the 19 hijackers included more than a dozen who originally wanted to fight for Al Qaeda in Chechnya but then got 'assigned' the 9/11 mission; why and how if Iraq is not part of the war on terror, a Saudi militant with a car bomb was caught in Mosul by Iraqi police; why and how 20 yemeni fighters were killed by the American bombs we are dropping in Fallujah (the ones Falujah doctors insist only land on women and children, even when they are walking in formation); etc.

We are killing terrorists in Fallujah who would otherwise be creating mayhem somewhere else.


6 posted on 09/03/2004 11:23:41 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG

Post Saddam - they all came into Iraq to wage jihad.


7 posted on 09/03/2004 11:25:41 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: WOSG

"The idiots who say they war in Iraq "

ahem meant to say
"The idiots who say the war in Iraq has nothing to do with war on terror"

way past bedtime . gnite.


8 posted on 09/03/2004 11:25:44 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Destro

"Among the 20 terrorists killed, there are 10 citizens of the Arab world," Valery Andreyev, the top regional security official, said on national television. "...from the Daily Star: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp? edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=8048

The Religion of Peace at it again, showing their more sensitive side. I just cannot believe anyone would support madmen like these.

My heart broke watching those poor little children half naked, blood covered running for their lives.


Please send your prayers and support: russianembassy@mindspring.com


9 posted on 09/03/2004 11:26:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Destro

It is too late to stop the Pakistani nukes without war. Iran can still be stopped. THAT is the correct answer. Stupid mistakes of the past are no excuse for stupid mistakes of the future.

And arming any Islamic country with nuclear technology is stupid, regardless of who does it. When Musharraf is eventually overthrown or assassinated, we'll have a serious problem on our hands and it will be everybody's problem then.


10 posted on 09/03/2004 11:27:17 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Destro

... and they would have been in Chechnya, or Afghanistan, or Sudan ... or Europe ... or USA, if not Iraq.

As Tommy Franks said, I'd rather fight them there then here.... but my point is that time and time again, events put the lie to bed that these events are 'not connected'.

The Global Jihadist Terrorist networks are connected.


11 posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:10 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG

for sure Iraq is connected now.


12 posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:56 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Sir Winston Churchill on appeasement:
On Jan. 20,1940, four months after Hitler invaded Poland, Churchill gave a world address to urge the neutral nations of Europe to abandon appeasement and rally round the Union Jack and the French Tricolor (France was still in the fight then) as the surest path to safety against the Nazi onslaught: “At present their (the neutral’s) plight is lamentable; and it will become much worse They bow humbly and in fear of German threats. Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear — I fear greatly — the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar, ever more loudly and more widely.”

My prayers are with these Russians and their families... and their country. I hope they see the truth before the cost of not seeing becomes too horrific. What could be worse than having this happen to your children??? (*Maybe having a national media that doesn't cover it like the NEWS it is. Pushing it under, oh say, an impeached President's health problems... all day l-o-n-g... every detail.)

13 posted on 09/03/2004 11:30:17 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Twenty years of votes can tell you more about a man than twenty weeks of campaign rhetoric -Zell)
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To: Destro

When the Romans were unable to reach an accomodation with an enemy, and had found the enemy so intractable as to be incapable of keeping a peace agreement, they would, after conquering, kill every living thing in the enemy's territory: men, women, children, dogs, horses - everything.

The Romans did not do this out of savagery, but because they had determined over the course of hundreds of years that such measures were the only effective means of causing barbarians to fear Rome enough that they would stop committing depradations on the fringes of the Empire.


14 posted on 09/03/2004 11:30:40 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: Destro
Putin's answer? Mr. Bush are you still allowing Pakistan to have actuall nuclear arms - the same Pakistan that founded the Taliban and helped al-Qaeda and fought my allies (which you Americans used to overthrow your Paki allies' Taliban) the Northern Alliance?

President Bush can liberate Afghanistan and Iraq, and de-nuke Pakistan all in one term?
15 posted on 09/03/2004 11:32:08 PM PDT by gipper81
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To: Destro

Where are the comparisons to "Jengis Khan" now?


16 posted on 09/03/2004 11:35:27 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Destro

The Russian word for "Wahhabi" is wahkhabit.

Well, I'd say it's open wahkhabit season in North Ossetia after what these monsters did today.


17 posted on 09/03/2004 11:39:34 PM PDT by Angelus Errare
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To: Destro

Iraq was connected in 1995 when Bin laden met with the head of Iraqi intelligence.

Iraq was connected in 1998 when Saddam offered safe haven to Bin laden.

Iraq was connected in 2001 when Saddam's IIS through Abu Wael set up Ansar al-Islam as an al qaeda 'affiliate' terror group.

And Iraq's been connected for decades by supporting Abu Nidal, and training terrorists for years, and funding suicide bomber families.

The difference now is that Iraq has gone from being a safe haven and ally to terror groups to being a target for them.


18 posted on 09/03/2004 11:41:18 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Destro; Travis McGee
note* town residents who had brought their own weapons

A new Russia obviously ....I wonder what their gun laws are.

19 posted on 09/03/2004 11:42:43 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Destro

Pakistan obtained their nuclear weapons in 1972, I don't think Bush allows them to have them.


20 posted on 09/03/2004 11:43:21 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Destro

These terrorists were trained by Al Quaeda:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207083/posts


21 posted on 09/03/2004 11:45:31 PM PDT by Flightdeck (I love the smell of French toast in the morning)
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"Putin's answer? Mr. Bush are you still allowing Pakistan to have actuall nuclear arms"

What in your little mind makes you think Bush can take away nukes from the Paks ?

They are at war with India and would rather die then give up their nukes. India has them out numbered by what 7-8 times?

22 posted on 09/03/2004 11:46:31 PM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: wardaddy
A new Russia obviously ....I wonder what their gun laws are.

Rifles and shotguns permitted, pistols extremely heavily restricted and no machineguns.

Their Tigr rifle is basically a civilian Druganov Sniper Rifle

23 posted on 09/03/2004 11:52:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: wardaddy
A new Russia obviously ....I wonder what their gun laws are.

I saw that too. Curious.

24 posted on 09/03/2004 11:54:27 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Centurion2000

7.62 X 54....one could do worse.


25 posted on 09/03/2004 11:56:30 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy

I think Ossetia is a "front line state" in the Chechen war. There have been many other raids on towns, hospitals etc. Most Russian men have had military service. I think with the end of the USSR, a lot of AK-47s were "mislaid."


26 posted on 09/03/2004 11:56:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Centurion2000
Their Tigr rifle is basically a civilian Druganov Sniper Rifle.

A civilian could do worse....

27 posted on 09/03/2004 11:57:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Destro
I hear Crusading music..."Onward Christian soldier..."
28 posted on 09/04/2004 12:00:04 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: tiki

Pakistan created nuclear weapons in the 90s under Clinton and they have an arsenal now. Their bomb maker was selling nuclear bomb making tech around the world. Lives in a villa in Pakistan.


29 posted on 09/04/2004 12:00:34 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: tiki

PS: I was responding to fooman's hypothetical question.


30 posted on 09/04/2004 12:01:04 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Mach9

If Muhammadans, the only ones who really can stop all of this in reality by rising up in opposition and really doing something, don't stop talking out of their 'Moderate' side of their 'face' while waging a cowardly 'jihad' against non-Muhammadans, then wipe them all out if need be.

Lunatic demon-possessed persons are a waste of time to negotiate with. Good people DIE in the process.


31 posted on 09/04/2004 12:02:20 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Travis McGee

amen...I think it's a fine utilitarian tool...like most East Bloc stuff.


32 posted on 09/04/2004 12:03:59 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy

I'd like one.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 12:05:25 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd like one.

Me too, but KBI only imported about 100 of them into the USA and the current laws will not allow it into the country. Expect to pay more than you would for a good M-14. (Of course that is on my wish list too)

34 posted on 09/04/2004 12:06:55 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos

I bet they are on Squantos's dance card for his sod poodles.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 12:07:26 AM PDT by wardaddy
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Iraq is a base of operations to a)fight the cowardly Muhammadans 'over ther' as opposed to 'over here' and b) turn (-) nations in the Muahammadan equation into (+) nations regarding world security, through freedom and legislative representation.

And anyone that don't like it can get in line!

America: Red, White and Blue - all over you!


36 posted on 09/04/2004 12:07:32 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd like one.

Me too, but KBI only imported about 100 of them into the USA and the current laws will not allow it into the country. Expect to pay more than you would for a good M-14. (Of course that is on my wish list too)

37 posted on 09/04/2004 12:07:35 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: america-rules
I was responding to hypothetical question from fooman.

Pakistan - America's ally - has nukes. Pakistan is an enemy of Russia and her ally India and Pakistan is an enemy of Iran. Saudi Arabia is also on bad terms with Iraq.

Looking at the world through geopolitical eyes Iran is not a danger to Russia. So the statement I responded to was ignorant of the facts.

Do I wish Russia cooperated and did not help Iran? Yes! But why should Russia when NATO moves to its borders and flies sorties there every day?

38 posted on 09/04/2004 12:07:39 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Centurion2000

Have one smuggled over the Mexican border for yourself...everyone's doing it.../sarcasm


39 posted on 09/04/2004 12:08:20 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Destro

If Muhammadan terrorists in say, Chechnya, got their hands on a nuke from say, Iran, the main Muhammadan 'Source' problem for 25 years now, I doubt that Putin would wish he hadn't helped us terminate Iran after covering up his activities WITH SODOM INSANE IN IRAQ until moments before we concluded the war of 1991.


40 posted on 09/04/2004 12:11:10 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Why would Shia Iran supply a nuke to the Chechens wahabists? The Pakistanis already have a bomb and they are allied to the Chechens - Afghanistan - Pakistan's ally was the only nation that recognized Chechnya as an independent country. It would be easier to get the bomb from Pakistan or to hire the Pakis to make one for them.


41 posted on 09/04/2004 12:17:54 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You make too much of divisions between Shia and Wahabbists. They are working together, today anyway, to kill us all and don't care whose help they need. If you don't think that Shia and Wahabbi are working tangentially together at least, then you don't know what's really going on over in the ME.
42 posted on 09/04/2004 12:23:45 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Bobby777
When Musharraf is eventually overthrown or assassinated, we'll have a serious problem on our hands and it will be everybody's problem then.

That's the stomach-churning issue that keeps many people in government up at night. Not a lot of good options if that happens.

43 posted on 09/04/2004 12:25:02 AM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: Destro
Every person should read this and See the Pictures. Prayers again for the families of the victims. Home Land Security should take this as a "heads up".

The delusional liberals in the schools (and everywhere) need to be informed that this could happen here. They should work out a plan to defend the children from attack. This needs to be done NOW.

(Personally, I am outraged. Every teacher should have a gun hidden somewhere in case the Islamofacists make a move. But sadly I know this is way too much to ask of liberal teachers.)

I continue to pray that the blinders of PC will be removed from the eyes of our nation, so we can defend ourselves.

44 posted on 09/04/2004 12:28:08 AM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: fly_so_free

Home School, and if that's not an option, then find a competent private group that DOES utilize self-defense of your youngins...

I believe this is imperative in America if we really don't want to have to go down to the godless government school and see our children coming out bleeding, decimated, mangled and dead, even shot in the back before your eyes.

It should be an A-1 priority...


45 posted on 09/04/2004 12:38:15 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Destro

"Looking at the world through geopolitical eyes Iran is not a danger to Russia."

Wrong. Iranian nuclear tipped missiles will be able to reach Moscow, and the Iranians will use them.


46 posted on 09/04/2004 12:57:04 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Destro
for sure Iraq is connected now.

You don't know how right you are

Salafi-Jihadists recently posted a recording by the Islamist Arab fighter Abu-Omar Al-Seif on the Chechen website www.qoqaz.com [ http://www.qoqaz.com/ab.rm ]. The recording called for more assistance from Muslims to the Mujahideen in Chechnya in preparation for escalating violence following the election of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The message also advised Islamists in Saudi Arabia to direct attacks at American troops in Iraq rather than clashing with the Saudi regime.

47 posted on 09/04/2004 1:04:07 AM PDT by ganeshpuri89 (alphabet city)
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To: Angelus Errare

No bag limit.


48 posted on 09/04/2004 1:11:55 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Angelus Errare

No bag limit.


49 posted on 09/04/2004 1:12:05 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Angelus Errare

No bag limit.


50 posted on 09/04/2004 1:12:25 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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