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MoveOver Swifties:New 527 Exposes Kerry's "Willie Horton" Moment/Estrich has Carville "Wah!" Moment
The Blogspirator ^ | Friday, September 03, 2004 | adam_az

Posted on 09/04/2004 12:42:50 AM PDT by adam_az

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To: FairOpinion
After some discussion, most of us have become very sceptical of that 527 -- they may well be a deliberate Dem attempt to discredit Republican 527-s, including the SwiftVets, by being so totally off the wall.

I don't believe any republican, that is, any republican that wants Bush to win, could even fathom running such an ad and think it would be a good thing. The dems and the press would use this to completely obliterate the Swift Boat issue and mire Bush in racial controversy. I can just hear it:

1988: Bush 41, Lee Atwater, Willie Horton ad
2004: Bush 43, Karl Rove, George Reissfelder

"They're doing it again!" We wouldn't hear the end of it. This stinks to high heaven.

21 posted on 09/04/2004 1:24:01 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: adam_az
Bragging about using Willie Horton in an ad? I love it!

Sharpton has to account for his misdeeds... if Dems complain about MOFA's ad, he can make a second (and maybe a third!) showing all of the other terrible things Sharpton has said/done over the years. Defending Al Sharpton will not be a winning political issue.

So, much like John Kerry has immunity from criticizing his senate record because he served in Vietnam, Dems will claim Sharpton is immune from criticism because he's black, and will throw out charges of "racism." Boo hoo.

22 posted on 09/04/2004 1:32:41 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: gop_gene
"They're doing it again!" We wouldn't hear the end of it. This stinks to high heaven,

I respectfully disagree. If the stuff is true, it would not be good for Kerry. There is nothing "racist" about showing a cop killer/would be killer as running free thanks to a lefty. The rats could try to spin it anyway they want. It would hurt Kerry if done right.

23 posted on 09/04/2004 1:41:23 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
I personally don't think it's racist either, just because the criminal happens to be black. But it's just so easy for it to be construed and twisted that way. What worked in 1988 may not work in 2004, what with the changing demographics and insidious p.c. that has set in since then. Why run something like this when there are lots of other poison arrows at our disposal?
24 posted on 09/04/2004 1:57:52 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene

"What worked in 1988 may not work in 2004"

I think this is exactly the point.


25 posted on 09/04/2004 1:58:54 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: gop_gene
Why run something like this when there are lots of other poison arrows at our disposal?

Because there are many swing voters who feel the way we do about the issue. I don't think this has any danger of swinging votes against Bush. The only ones who would be real offended were not at all likely to vote for Bush anyway.

The GOP were also scared of the swifty ads, but I KNEW they would hurt Kerry. You know the whole thing: People say they hate negative ads, but those ads (when grounded in truth) work.

Look, a black guy who tried to kill a cop is not going to get much sympathy (except from the lefties). And neither is Kerry if he's tied to the situation in a negative way.

If anything, I think it will bring up thoughts of Dukakis who is also from MA. I think This will have a subconscious morphing effect. Kerry/Dukakis, Kerry/Dukakis, Dukakis/loser, Dukakis/Kerry, Dukakis/Kerry/loser.

26 posted on 09/04/2004 2:04:18 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: adam_az
Susan Estrich probably regrets writing that piece now. She pretty much calls Dick Cheney an active alcoholic.

The problem with Democrats is they think lightning can strike twice. They depressed the Republican vote in 2000 with the Bush DUI and now think they can do the same with Cheney's "alcoholism."

Trouble is, she leaked the strategy and so the element of surprise is gone. And Dick Cheney doesn't strike me as someone you would want for an enemy.

Susan has become totally unhinged.

27 posted on 09/04/2004 2:06:53 AM PDT by HateBill (John Kerry -- the only hope for suicidal jihadists.)
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To: gop_gene; FairOpinion
"What worked in 1988 may not work in 2004"

I think that, if this is true (big if), then it would work maybe even better than 1988. People are tired of this crap. The whole O.J. thing, etc., worked to get moany folks fed up with the judicial system letting off such obvious killers.

This would be just one more BIG NEGATIVE on top of so many others. That would chip away at Kerry's "favorability".

Again, it would have to be done right. But we don;t even know anything about the reliablility. This may all be mute.

28 posted on 09/04/2004 2:09:10 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: HateBill
Susan has become totally unhinged.

You mean the frog lady who thought that Dukakis was better for our Republic than the GREAT Ronald Reagan?!?

29 posted on 09/04/2004 2:11:16 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

Take a look at the actual ads at the website.

I don't think they are very effective.


30 posted on 09/04/2004 2:11:39 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: gop_gene; All

COme to think of it, we need some ads which morph Kerry into Dukakis, and relate their history together. That's one thing that SHOULD be done, which has not been done so far--remind people of Dukakis/MASS/Kerry/lefty connection.


31 posted on 09/04/2004 2:13:59 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: knuthom
Not mean enough? Comparing Bush to Hitler? Saying that Bush lied and concocted a war to get himself and his friends rich? Those are "nice" things to say?

I think what she means is that, if she was in charge, there would be blood in the streets, and she's frustrated that the Dem leadership has not called for a campaign of assassination against the Republicans. She's a loony

32 posted on 09/04/2004 2:17:57 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: FairOpinion
Take a look at the actual ads at the website. I don't think they are very effective.

I'm having a problem viewing them. I may try again later.

33 posted on 09/04/2004 2:19:30 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
I wasn't worried about the Swift Boat ads also. But anything that can be twisted into being racial politics is a more tricky, explosive situation in my view. Some independents/soft repubs might feel a guilt trip--that if they don't vote against it, they, by extension, are racist.

Oh well--if it works again, great, but if it doesn't, hope the worst it'll have is zero effect. Like the updated "Daisy" ad the dem side ran not long ago.

34 posted on 09/04/2004 2:59:59 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: adam_az

"..the mob of his followers who burned a white (the ad leaves out that they were Jewish) owned cloting store called "Freddys Fashions" killing seven,..."

It needs to be remembered that none of the 7 people killed were white. They were all workers in the store. Most were black people. It was a great sin, and just another bunch of innocent lives that whose blood is on the hands of the left.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 3:02:59 AM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: adam_az

Susan Estrogen sounds like she has her talking points written at DiminutiveUnderparts. What (self) hatred!

If anyone EVER implies that FOX is not fair and balanced, then why is she on every other time I tune in?



BTW, in my experience, I find that those who go on and on about "dry-drunk syndrome" and constantly must talk about what they consider to be abuse problems in others have serious substance-abuse issues themselves.


36 posted on 09/04/2004 3:07:46 AM PDT by Watery Tart (You're John Kerry, and the only liberal puke who's had a worse Aug than you is William Kennedy Smith)
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To: adam_az

I do not think what he did as a PRIVATE attorney matters as much as what he did as a prosecutor.

BTW how long was he a prosecutor? Usually the prosecutor's office wants a two to three year comitment to hire you. There is generally no written rule but that is the understanding. If an attorney leaves early it is either they have a job offer of a life time OR they were "realease" from their agreement to remain for that amount of time. (ie they were a very bad/unskilled prosecutor)


37 posted on 09/04/2004 4:10:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: adam_az

BTT..but kerry's bro cameron said he prosecuted White-Collar crime in his live video bio.


38 posted on 09/04/2004 4:16:28 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: gop_gene
I wasn't worried about the Swift Boat ads also. But anything that can be twisted into being racial politics is a more tricky, explosive situation in my view. Some independents/soft repubs might feel a guilt trip--that if they don't vote against it, they, by extension, are racist.

I agree. Hope they get rid of the Sharpton ad. We are leading and don't need to take any risks.
39 posted on 09/04/2004 4:18:14 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: FairOpinion

I've been wondering.

Why do Dems need all these 527's when they've got 60 Minutes, Hardball and The Today Show to do their sliming for free?


40 posted on 09/04/2004 4:22:44 AM PDT by Timeout (“If John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had.”--Anonymous Vietnam Vet)
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