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'WE SHOWED WEAKNESS' (Putin)
SkyNews ^ | September 04, 2004

Posted on 09/04/2004 8:34:37 AM PDT by traumer

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has said his country had shown weakness in the face of danger and most now respond to the threat of terrorism.

"We did not understand the complexity and the danger of the process which was emerging in our country and in the entire world," Putin said of the school hostage crisis in which at least 322 people are now known to have died.

"We did not know how to react in the appropriate fashion. We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up," he said in a televised address.

Officials in North Ossetia say 155 children were among the dead in Beslan, as well as parents, school teachers and Russian special forces soldiers.

It is believed 32 terrorists died when Russian troops stormed the building after an explosion and gunfire were heard inside.

It is not known if any of the gunmen - believed to include Arab mercenaries - escaped.

There are reports that the explosives and arms used by the gunmen were smuggled into the school in summer during building work.

An estimated 700 are in hospital, most of them children. Some are badly injured.

On Saturday morning, Mr Putin visited the hospital where hundreds of wounded are being treated.

He ordered security forces to seal Beslan and close the border between Chechnya and North Ossetia.

"All Russia grieves with you," said Mr Putin during a meeting with local officials."Even alongside the most cruel attacks of the past, this terrorist act occupies a special place because it was aimed at children," he added.

There has been worldwide condemnation of the siege and messages of condolence including one from the Queen.

The EU has also expressed its sympathy, although it is demanding to know "how this tragedy could have happened".

Freed hostages described the mayhem which followed the explosions on Friday afternoon.

The blasts came 53 hours after the hostage-takers first threatened to blow up the building.

"Bombs were strung all over the gym," one teenage girl told state television. "Tape came unstuck on one and it blew up."

"There were two big explosions," said a women in her forties.

"We started pushing all the children out of the windows... Everyone who was there started pushing them out."

Authorities said they had been forced to launch a rescue operation when the gunmen opened fire on fleeing children.

So far no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the siege.


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1 posted on 09/04/2004 8:34:37 AM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

France and Germany, take note.....


2 posted on 09/04/2004 8:35:35 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: traumer
"We did not know how to react in the appropriate fashion. We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up," he said in a televised address.

Putin gets it. Kerry fans, McGovernites, Peaceniks, Michael Moore coprophages, take note!

3 posted on 09/04/2004 8:36:32 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: traumer
...gonna be a BAD time to be a Muslim, or an Arab in Russia right about now...

...think we'll "take a hint"?
4 posted on 09/04/2004 8:36:32 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: xsmommy

France: We surrender!!!!!

Germany: What they said! *pointing at the French*


5 posted on 09/04/2004 8:36:46 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: traumer

'ATTACK ON WHOLE COUNTRY'
"Our country that has always defended its borders has found itself defenceless from both east and west," he said...

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13213968,00.html


6 posted on 09/04/2004 8:37:31 AM PDT by traumer
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To: xsmommy

Sadly, this will help Mr. Putin put the words "coerced and bribed" into context next time he counts his friends.


7 posted on 09/04/2004 8:37:55 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: xsmommy

One less Kerry ally?


8 posted on 09/04/2004 8:39:50 AM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: coconutt2000; bigbob

somehow i think now that Russia has caught on, they aren't going to concern themselves with the FEELINGS and PSYCHES of the wrongdoers, and are going to kick some serious terrorist @$$.


9 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:22 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: traumer
Admittedly, it’s a draconian solution, but if Mad Vlad would move 8 Divisions of Russian infantry into Chechnya, and on a town by town, house by house basis, drag every last muslim to the outskirts and put a bullet in their head, this situation would never reoccur.

Nuking Mecca during the Haj wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

10 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:26 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (“Thank God for Canadians, they’re just like us, only better.” Michael Moore)
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To: traumer

It's a shame the children have to suffer for Russia to "get it".

If they had taken a stronger stance against terrorism earlier, this could have been avoided.

What a tragedy.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:35 AM PDT by JiggyMac
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To: traumer

Will Putin see how wrong he was to put money from Saddam ahead of helping the US in Iraq?


12 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:38 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: traumer
Ok Pooty-Poot (as W likes to call him), get on the stick, join the parade, and get with us. You got alot of manpower over there. But I think John Kerry would be against this, as only he can bring the world into closer co-operation with the United States.
13 posted on 09/04/2004 8:40:58 AM PDT by Lockbar (Worried about lead poisoning? Then stop eating the paint chips, Dummy!)
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To: hiredhand

If I recall, there is a large shipment of parst and components for Iran's nuclear reactors sitting in Russian ports now. Will they be shipped?..stay tuned..


14 posted on 09/04/2004 8:41:24 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: traumer
The EU has also expressed its sympathy, although it is demanding to know "how this tragedy could have happened".

geee, I don't know.. how about letting a group of Muslim fanatics, with poor education, low levels of employment, meeting weekly and being indoctrinated to hate non-Muslims. uhhhh... then appeasing their f'ing demands at every opportunity and belittling your Christian heritage and capitalism in general.

Oh yeah and finally, thinking that a man with a briefcase and notepad can fight a man with a rifle and RPG into submission.

bunch of EU pussies.... Christ they make me want to barf?

15 posted on 09/04/2004 8:41:39 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: traumer

Translation: "Bush was right, we were wrong"


16 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:01 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Virgnian by birth, Texan in my heart)
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To: xsmommy
they aren't going to concern themselves with the FEELINGS and PSYCHES of the wrongdoers, and are going to kick some serious terrorist @$$.

Yeah, I think the terrorists forgot that the President of Russia is a thug in a suit. He's meaner and more sadistic than GWB will ever be.

17 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:09 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: ErnBatavia

yeah, Kerry's sole plan to deal with terror is to BROADEN THE ALLIANCE, well what the hell good did it do those pansies france, germany and russia to be all bound together in the antiwar pact there? 2 of the 3 are the most recent to be hit by the terrorists. But kerry is much too sensitive to pick up on this....


18 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:14 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: traumer

Putin now understands what Kerry doesn't.

John Kerry speaking about the terriost alerts-
"I think there has been an exaggeration", "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way."
1/29/2004 - THE WASHINGTON TIMES


19 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:24 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: UsnDadof8
Translation: "Bush was right, we were wrong"

Exactly.

And Americans here are waking up to the fact that if it could happen there, it could happen here.

20 posted on 09/04/2004 8:43:13 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: VadeRetro
INDEED>>>THE WEAK GET BEATEN UP>>>
21 posted on 09/04/2004 8:43:37 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: NavyCanDo
Putin now understands what Kerry doesn't.

that is it, in a nutshell, right there.

22 posted on 09/04/2004 8:43:47 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: traumer

God Bless the injured.


23 posted on 09/04/2004 8:44:28 AM PDT by devane617
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To: ken5050

Yeah...I think whether we see it or not, there's gonna be some changes in Russia on account of this.


24 posted on 09/04/2004 8:45:02 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: xsmommy
France and Germany, take note.....

My son has told me that most of the German military has already taken note. They are frustrated with their current leaders and have given our troops support and respect as they are coming and going to Iraq. They have faced the same enemies together in Afghanistan and they know who they are dealing with.

25 posted on 09/04/2004 8:45:20 AM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: traumer

Nice of you to get it, Mr. President. Now, care to help out in Iraq?


26 posted on 09/04/2004 8:46:28 AM PDT by LS
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"The EU has also expressed its sympathy, although it is demanding to know "how this tragedy could have happened"."

It happened you Eruweenies when Germany let the murderers go scot free after the 1972 Olympics slaughter. Oh, stupid me, those were just Jews, not real humans.

The EU has blood on their hands for what happened in Russia. The EU is more to blame than the Russians, before everytime the Russians got nasty with the terrorists the EU would start their whimpering and whinning for them to stop.

From Putin's words and the mood of the Russian people at this time, things will get very, very hot for the terrorists.


27 posted on 09/04/2004 8:47:35 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: traumer

Wonder what gave him his first clue or maybe it was the second clue or the third clue or the............

Clueless in Russia


28 posted on 09/04/2004 8:47:58 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (We have to stop Kerry for our grandkids sake!!!!!!!! GO W)
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To: traumer

"Russia's President Vladimir Putin has said his country had shown weakness in the face of danger and most now respond to the threat of terrorism."

Chilling words from an ex KGB man.

Folks have talked about how we are now in WWIII, but not everyone realizes it. Now we will all know.

Once again, we will be allies of Russia, yet be shocked at the inevitable atrocities.

Yet, it is necessary.


29 posted on 09/04/2004 8:48:21 AM PDT by keats5
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If this event doesn't make it clear that we are in a global war with Islamic Fundamentalism as the enemy then you are just plain stupid.


30 posted on 09/04/2004 8:48:31 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: armymarinemom

Sadly, the real issue is "what German militay"..It's been estimated that Europe had 2.5 million total military, of which less than 2% are mission deployable within 30 days...


31 posted on 09/04/2004 8:48:41 AM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: ken5050

While Russia should stop all assistance to Iran,the US should do it's part & tell it's "allies" like Qatar,UAE,Saudi Arabia & Pakistan in no uncertain terms to stop their "aid" to Chechen "freedom fighters".Infact when Qatar decided to prosecute 2 Russian agents(who bumped off a Chechen bigwig living in Doha with a carbomb),the US gave it full support.


32 posted on 09/04/2004 8:49:28 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: traumer

The awesome thing would be for Russia to send troops to Iraq to help us out. Or if they are there already, to increase the amount. Let's see the MSM have apoplectic fits.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 8:49:38 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Virgnian by birth, Texan in my heart)
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To: ErnBatavia

Is Effing Kerry going to scratch Putin from the list of his "secret" Supporters?

How long before the stupid maggots in the mainstream media start blaming the Russians for "what they brought upon themselves"?
How long before Moore makes another "Russian" Colombine movie?
NOT LONG...I must take a deep breath before my anger/outrage kills me.


34 posted on 09/04/2004 8:50:22 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: armymarinemom

that is VERY good to hear. hopefully their leadership is paying attention.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 8:50:36 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: hiredhand
Yeah...I think whether we see it or not, there's gonna be some changes in Russia on account of this.

I anticipate that Bush will shortly journey to Russia to cement an alliance against terrorism. It will be both a brilliant strategic and political move.

36 posted on 09/04/2004 8:52:20 AM PDT by dpwiener
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To: Owl_Eagle
Nuking Mecca during the Haj wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

At least let the bastards really worry whether we will. Might tend to dry up some dineros for the Wahabbist scumballs that infest the Arabian peninsula.

37 posted on 09/04/2004 8:52:24 AM PDT by stboz
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To: traumer

In another related article, "Putin said some foes wanted to tear off parts of Russia, and others were helping them. 'They help, supposing that Russia - as one of the greatest nuclear powers - still poses a threat to them. So they have to get rid of that threat.'"

Who would that be, Vlad?


38 posted on 09/04/2004 8:53:30 AM PDT by debg
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To: ken5050
If I recall, there is a large shipment of parst and components for Iran's nuclear reactors sitting in Russian ports now. Will they be shipped?..stay tuned..

The Iranians are Shiites. They are not a problem for Russia. The problem for Russia and Central Asia is the radical Sunni Moslem sects -- the Wahhabi from Saudi Arabia and the Deobandi from Pakistan.

The rational course for Russia is to ally itself with Iran against Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Russia should also invade and conquer Georgia to cut off the supplies to the Chechen terrorists coming through the Pankisi Gorge area.

They should also retake Uzbekistan and the rest of the "stans" in Central Asia to stamp out Islamic terrorism there.

39 posted on 09/04/2004 8:53:35 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: traumer; All

If I could have 5 minutes with GWB,(like thats gonna happen),here is what I would tell him:

GWB should be on the "Red Phone" ASAP with Putin, and ask him if he is NOW ready to join the "Coalition of the Willing" in the world wide fight against terrorism.

GWB should say "If you are, the US will back you 100% in the UN and against the EU , while you PERMANENTLY take care of your terrorist "problem" IF.....AND ONLY IF...

Russia will back theUS 100% in the UN and against the EU "bunch" while the US,(with 24hours notice so Putin can get his "workers" out) PERMANENTLY takes care of Iran's nuclear "program".

If such an agreement could be made, Russia wins BIG by making the Russian people and their country FINALLY free of their "main terrorist problems" and maybe more "investments"
will happen there because it would be a lot safer, making their economy and country worth taking a monetary "risk" with, making a VERY strong case for Russia and Putin to FINALLY become a part of the "team".

The US would greatly benifit, as the Iranians would be given the "signal" to shed themselves of their oppressive government,which would then no longer be able to keep Iraq in such an unstable state, making the "trifecta" complete a LOT sooner that it looks like it would be completed at present.

The Saudis would maybe FINALLY "get on board" and "clean house"......

...Syria would surely know that THEY ARE NEXT, and MAYBE
suddenly "discover"( like Hillary's "discovery" of those "lost" FBI files,) those WMD's that Saddam gave them for "safe keeping".

......Hamas AND Arafat,would REALLY be feeling "quite
lonely" monetarily, AND in the WMD department....

...and I would wager little Kimmey-Jong would probably be like a B.F.Skinner rat in whatever maze we decided he should be put in, as he would be the the LAST AXIS-OF-EVIL left, with hardly any "customers" with any REAL money, to buy any of his very disruptive "toys" that he NEEDS the financial benifits from to keep him in power....

...and then Pakistan could FINALLY be free enough at that point to "take care of their terorist "biz".

...and one other little plus... oil would no longer be able to be used as an "infidel blackmailing tool" by the Mecca and Medina "crowd, and "gasoline prices might PERMANENTLY become a stable and fairly priced world wide commodity,( quite a "positive" thing if it did.)


....and if this could be worked out RIGHT NOW while the pictures and news of the "school incident" are FRESH in the
minds of the world at large, and (in MY "perfect VRWC Freeper world") say before the end of September (which would spoil lil' kimmy jongs planned "October Surprise").....

..do you think the TRAIN LOAD OF DEMS on their way to the "funny farm" will still want to hear their 2004 presidential candidate, "Smith-Corona-Rambo", aka jf'n, how he woulnd have done ALL of the above "differently", in sort of a "Silver Star with a "V" for Valor kind of way ???


40 posted on 09/04/2004 8:54:22 AM PDT by musicman
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To: Peach

Has Kerry made any statement about this horror?


41 posted on 09/04/2004 8:54:46 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Mad Vlad would move 8 Divisions of Russian infantry into Chechnya"

I’m not too familiar with the state of the Russian army. But from the little pieces that I’ve heard, he “might” be able to move them there (with minimal arms and equipment), but I doubt that he’d be able to feed, supply and command them there.

My guess is that he'll have to go nuclear to really defeat the Chechnyan insurgents.

42 posted on 09/04/2004 8:59:09 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: traumer
We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up," he said in a televised address.

Again, Kerry are you listening?

43 posted on 09/04/2004 8:59:14 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Michael Steele ... WOW!)
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To: traumer

This is a big admission.

Putin has a choice. Work with Bush to contain the Muslim threat to its southern border, or work against Bush with the Frogs and the Chinese, which is standard balance-of-power politics.

He started out with the first, switched to the second, and now hopefully has learned his lesson and will work from Bush.

It means giving up a long history of stirring up Arab resentment against the United States, which was the old KGB-Soviet policy. But that policy is now dead.


44 posted on 09/04/2004 8:59:30 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Not to my knowledge.

He must realize that his past statements about fighting a "sensitive" war with these monsters looks doubly foolish.

Americans are waking up to the fact that if it could happen there, it could happen here.

The soccer/security moms are going to leave their support for Kerry on the ground like so much dog doo.


45 posted on 09/04/2004 8:59:33 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: UltraKonservativen
There is a clear message for Americans here if only they can read it

Bush in 2004 / Tommy Franks in 2008

46 posted on 09/04/2004 9:00:58 AM PDT by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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To: debg
debg wrote:

Why, that would be the American State Department.

And Vlad is 100% correct in his assessment.

Before Putin could consider seriously any overture from Bush, heads would have to roll at the American State Department.

47 posted on 09/04/2004 9:03:09 AM PDT by Westbrook
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To: VadeRetro

I sent the following email out to all in my addy folder. Then just to stick it in their eye, to several major old media outlets.


----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: 'WE SHOWED WEAKNESS' (Putin) (take note America, take note when you vote. Do you want a weak John Kerry America?)


"We did not understand the complexity and the danger of the process which was emerging in our country and in the entire world," Putin said of the school hostage crisis in which at least 322 people are now known to have died.

"We did not know how to react in the appropriate fashion. We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up," he said in a televised address.

SkyNews ^


48 posted on 09/04/2004 9:03:45 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: debg

Question of the day: what is it that the terrorists hope to achieve?

-Komsomolskaya Pravda


49 posted on 09/04/2004 9:06:19 AM PDT by traumer
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To: musicman
"Syria would surely know that THEY ARE NEXT"

Syria now knows just how far we’ll go to defeat resistance in city controlled by Islamic radicals. They know that all they have to do is appeal to nationalism, hunker down and wait for us to doubt ourselves for killing so many of them. If we won’t take Fallujah, not a chance we’ll take Damascus.

50 posted on 09/04/2004 9:07:58 AM PDT by elfman2
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