Skip to comments.'WE SHOWED WEAKNESS' (Putin)
Posted on 09/04/2004 8:34:37 AM PDT by traumer
Russia's President Vladimir Putin has said his country had shown weakness in the face of danger and most now respond to the threat of terrorism.
"We did not understand the complexity and the danger of the process which was emerging in our country and in the entire world," Putin said of the school hostage crisis in which at least 322 people are now known to have died.
"We did not know how to react in the appropriate fashion. We have showed weakness in the face of danger and the weak get beaten up," he said in a televised address.
Officials in North Ossetia say 155 children were among the dead in Beslan, as well as parents, school teachers and Russian special forces soldiers.
It is believed 32 terrorists died when Russian troops stormed the building after an explosion and gunfire were heard inside.
It is not known if any of the gunmen - believed to include Arab mercenaries - escaped.
There are reports that the explosives and arms used by the gunmen were smuggled into the school in summer during building work.
An estimated 700 are in hospital, most of them children. Some are badly injured.
On Saturday morning, Mr Putin visited the hospital where hundreds of wounded are being treated.
He ordered security forces to seal Beslan and close the border between Chechnya and North Ossetia.
"All Russia grieves with you," said Mr Putin during a meeting with local officials."Even alongside the most cruel attacks of the past, this terrorist act occupies a special place because it was aimed at children," he added.
There has been worldwide condemnation of the siege and messages of condolence including one from the Queen.
The EU has also expressed its sympathy, although it is demanding to know "how this tragedy could have happened".
Freed hostages described the mayhem which followed the explosions on Friday afternoon.
The blasts came 53 hours after the hostage-takers first threatened to blow up the building.
"Bombs were strung all over the gym," one teenage girl told state television. "Tape came unstuck on one and it blew up."
"There were two big explosions," said a women in her forties.
"We started pushing all the children out of the windows... Everyone who was there started pushing them out."
Authorities said they had been forced to launch a rescue operation when the gunmen opened fire on fleeing children.
So far no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the siege.
And probably not just in Russia, either.
Answer of the Day: The Caliphate!
China? Not us. We've done nothing to help Chechnya. Maybe the E.U.?
Breaking: explosion at LA airport.
Our Lamestream Media still doesn't get it, despite 9/11. They still are beating the Politically Correct Drum as loudly as they can!
I agree with you...but, could he be talking about someone else? I recall that when Vlad was in Texas, he made a cryptic remark... something to the effect that we wouldn't believe who had contacted him to go against us.
Putin "didn't understand the danger..." You would have thought that after 9-11 that the danger would be quite clear. What it tells me is that Putin, and many other leaders, thought that WE brought 9-11 upon ourselves and that as long as they appeased radical muslims that they would be free from attack. It goes back to what President Bush has said from the beginning: "You are either with us or with the terrorists". I always knew that President Bush was a smart man, but even I am amazed at how intelligent he really is. Russia needs to get "on board" now. The rest of the world will follow in time.
Innocent children are slaughtered by Islam !!!
There Is No Fundamental Islam
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.
But all of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They even know how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a single word of Arabic !!! Right, George???
The Language of Islam
You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the West, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. A professor and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We can't use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you must use the language of Islam !!!
Driving Principles of Islam
Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God. But it's not enough just to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem.
But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
Let me explain the difference. The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.
In Judaism, it leads to national salvation not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.
The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.
But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.
The Essence of Islam
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.
Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world !!! I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."
The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam !!!
When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years 640 AD the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.
Mohammed Held That All The Biblical Prophets Were Moslems
Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However, he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.
Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel namely the New Testament.
The Bible vs. the Koran
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?
Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war ( that is to say, not right now ).
Nevertheless, the laws are very clear Jews and Christians have NO rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.
Islamic Rule and Jihad
What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East their war is against the Jews and Christians.
A while ago bin Laden distributed a pamphlet throughout the world. Therein he calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.
The Koran sees the world as divided in two one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) that's the place where Islam rules and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule.
This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.
Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law.
However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws.
The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.
There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war. These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about Moslems fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.
Islam and Territory
This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule can NOT be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic. Period, end of argument.
This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.
The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.
Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because and this is very important this is an eternal war between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it was created by Allah. Therefore, Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will NOT end !!!
Islam and Peace
Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.
With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease-fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.
Let me remind you that even though the document speaks of peace you wouldn't believe the clever trickery that you are reading !!! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was actually signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization. Absolutely positively unbelievable !!!
A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."
Whatever the prophet is supposed to have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hudaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.
Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad (thus breaking the "peace" agreement).
In Israel, it has taken over 50 years for the people to understand that they cannot speak about (permanent) peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This MUST be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms !!!
Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice
What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing when the enemy is too strong. It is simply a clever tactical choice.
Sometimes Moslems have to agree to a cease-fire in very humiliating conditions. But that's allowed because Mohammed himself accepted a cease-fire under very humiliating conditions. And that's precisely what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg.
When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You're still living in the Middle Ages. You just don't understand the mechanisms of politics."
Huh? What mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is concerned. And I want to tell you one more thing we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power obtains atomic, chemical, or biological weapons, THEY WILL USE THEM !!! I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
Now, since Israel faces war and they know they cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire? It is nothing more than this -- the Islamic side is weak and the Israeli side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years (since the establishment of the State of Israel) has been based on this idea alone, superior deterrent power.
Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War
The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded in entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It simply grows out of the attitude of the barbaric Islamic civilization.
What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?
Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there is also constant war by infiltration.
One of the things which the western world has never paid enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America with the Twin Towers on 9-11 is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war inside the U.S.
End of Days
It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.
In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.
Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.
Speaking now as a historian, I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem, under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.
Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.
The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. They Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of idiotic, murderous Islam.
Is It Possible to End This Dance of War?
The question Israelis are asking is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?
The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." Israel can reach a situation where for a few years there may be relative quiet.
But for Islam, the establishment of the State of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema !!!
And (this is the even worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.
I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation !!!
So... Mr. Putin...
Islam has now made a collosal fool of you... blowing up your planes and your buildings, killing hundreds of your citizens, even slaughtering you innocent helpless children !!! The murdering Moslems have sunk lower than any other creatures on earth in order to eliminate your citizens.
You are now in the battle of your life, which likely will go on for many years, possibly even generations. If you fail to understand what you are facing, or falter in the challenge of knowing your enemy, the results will be catastrophic !!! So... Mr. Putin... where do you go from here??? Because Islam is NOT a religeon of peace. It is a religeon of PIECES... fingers, toes, ears, noses, hands, feet, arms, legs, heads, etc., etc.
"Breaking: explosion at LA airport.. "
Here's an interesting thread. It seems that some among the muslims are seeing that the horror of the terrorists is actually bad for Islam.
This is an article written by the General Manager of Al Arabiya.
"...Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture, Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims! Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network..."
"...If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldnt have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age, Bahgat wrote.
'A new low' The horrifying images of the dead and wounded Russian students showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families..."
And you can bet your a$$ that there will not be a Kean Folly type commission to politicize the tragedy!
My guess is that within a year we and Russia partition Iran.
And that will be just a start.
Kill them all and build a hog feedlot and packing plant on the mass grave.
Once upon a time Russia KNEW how to deal with evil people. PC will get a lot of people killed.
If so, expect Israel to 'take it out'.
Thank God! Now maybe Russia will join with us to rid the world of this terrorist scum.
Rest of EU...you might want to take note.
It must hurt Putin to say that. How can Russia ever possibly be strong again? 20,000 nukes are useless for this.
Putin knows there was no way Russia could have prevented this tragedy, barring some bit of good luck. But I think Russians will be DEMANDING for retaliation in some overwhelming, one-sided use of force that will leave the Chechens in "shock and awe", and the EU in utter disbelief.
islam wants this area to replace Afganistan. They think they can beat the Russians as they did in Afganistan. The USA needs to provide a couple of Daisy Cutters for the eradication of EVIL in the islamic world of terror in chechya. (sp)
Yes, as evidenced by Clinton's inaction which only invited more attacks.
If Bush is re-elected, is there any chance of flushing those souless men out of the state department?
I hate to say it, but no.
The hacks at State will remain.
Not that I have heard. Maybe he prefers to stand on this one.
We need to stand with the Russians now in solidarity. They are in a much more complex situation with a fraction of the resources we have to fight terroris. We need to quit lecturing them about human rights in chechnya and do whatever we can to help them exterminate the demonic animals that did this.
We are all Israelis now. We didn't understand it until three years ago either, and unfortunately some have forgotten the lesson already.
I'm torn about how to respond. Really there are only three possibilities.
1. Be more sensitive.
2. Ask the French for help.
3. A U.N resolution to "Quit it."
Owl, just in case Secretary Rumsfeld decides to retire next year, keep your resume handy...