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Can Kerry Match The Comeback Kid?
Washington Post ^ | September 7, 2004 | By E. J. Dionne Jr.

Posted on 09/07/2004 12:08:35 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

If John Kerry loses this election, August will be seen as the time when he did. But if Kerry wins, it will be because the last month set up the circumstances for his triumph. And as Bill Clinton probably told the Democratic nominee in that pep talk from his hospital room over the weekend, the way the story turns out is, in significant measure, under John Kerry's control. Democrats outside the Kerry campaign have been in a grumpy, jumpy mood since the oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth pushed the media into a frenzy over what Kerry did and didn't do in Vietnam. The month of August was miserable for Kerry and Bush's post-convention bounce has left members of Kerry's party even more depressed.

It's always a bad sign for a campaign when the media run stories about impending campaign shakeups, usually in accounts full of disparaging quotations from (often anonymous) party leaders.

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In fact, the anti-Kerry ads fit so neatly with the Republican Convention's goal of painting Kerry as soft on defense and not tough enough to deal with terrorism that it becomes ever harder to believe the Bush campaign's denials of any involvement with the Swift boat group.

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So how could such a terrible month be a setup for a Kerry victory?

The answer lies in the word "overkill." If there is one thing that came through from last week's convention, it is that Republicans knew that Bush could not win on his own record alone. They had to frighten the country about Kerry and were willing to say anything -- to distort Kerry's record and to lie about it if necessary -- to further that end.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: clinton; kerry
Ever read a title and go huh? This should be about Kerry dimming in the Clinton sun. Go figure.
1 posted on 09/07/2004 12:08:35 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: Chieftain; Ragtime Cowgirl; gatorbait; writer33; GreyFriar; americanmother; The Mayor; ...

>>>So Kerry has three battles to wage. He has to fight Bush and his attacks. After all that was said about him at the Republican convention, you would think that Kerry has all the incentives he needs. He has to show voters what he is fighting for. And he has to reassure an anxious party that he has a plan to be back in the thick of things by the beginning of October. <<< --- says Mr. Dionne Jr

If a tree falls in the forest does anyone hear it?


2 posted on 09/07/2004 12:11:03 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick

How does EJ Dione keep a job? He replaces interesting examination of issues with wishful thinking.


3 posted on 09/07/2004 12:12:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Former Military Chick
Ever read a title and go huh? This should be about Kerry dimming in the Clinton sun. Go figure.

This election is going exactly as planned by democrats. Namely Bill and Hillary. Kerry must lose so that Hillary can run in 2008.

4 posted on 09/07/2004 12:14:36 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven?)
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To: Darkwolf377
How does EJ Dione keep a job? He replaces interesting examination of issues with wishful thinking.

Let's see, he is a leftwinger writing in a left wing rag? Does that answer your question?

5 posted on 09/07/2004 12:15:47 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: Former Military Chick
Democrats outside the Kerry campaign have been in a grumpy, jumpy mood since the oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth pushed the media into a frenzy

The Post doesn't even try to hide its bias anymore.

You wanna real oxymoron? Try this one: "John Kerry - war hero." That one ranks right up there with 'jumbo shrimp.'

6 posted on 09/07/2004 12:17:27 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Democrats. They want to have their cake and eat yours too.)
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To: Former Military Chick

This Dionne person is in contracted content to the Japanese newspaper The Daily Yomiuri as well, along with many other Post "journalists." I quickly discovered how wacko liberal these people can be. I believe this Dionne dude also hosted the "My Life" signing party in D.C. and yet wants to be seen as "objective."


7 posted on 09/07/2004 12:21:02 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Darkwolf377
Frankly we are talking about the Washington Post. A paper that was once known for their investigative reporting. Seemed to go down hill when I moved away. Actually, he writes in a way that he is an equal opportunity offender. Having to disect the article for the post, it did seem to sound better read through whole at once. BTW, top of morning.
8 posted on 09/07/2004 12:23:41 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Former Military Chick
E.J. was so good at blasting away at Clinton,what happened to make him so blind?

The president can't run on his record? The SBVs are going into "overkill"? Clinton was "the comeback kid" AFTER the primaries were over and done with? What alternate universe is E.J. living in?

9 posted on 09/07/2004 12:28:02 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I'd need to vomit repeatedly were I to read this.
Pasadena.


10 posted on 09/07/2004 12:29:19 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: nopardons
Morning, I do not know where he is in space. I kind of like "I write the way the wind blows!" If we start seeing Clintons name injected into this, I think it will cost Kerry dearly. UNLESS, they feel sorry for Clinton and forget the HELL he put this country through. I would not take bets in Vegas on this, if it were a sure thing, nothing with Clinton in it is a sure thing, now aways.
11 posted on 09/07/2004 12:30:54 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: onyx
It really DOES deserve a BARF ALERT! I read it and I'm sorry I did.

"Pasadena"???????????????????????????

12 posted on 09/07/2004 12:31:10 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Darkwolf377
Depends on what you think his job description actually is.

If you think he is a journalist, you'd be right to be puzzled. He's not a journalist.

He's a pro-bono fluffer for whichever Democrat is running for office.
13 posted on 09/07/2004 12:31:50 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Former Military Chick
Clinton is out of commission,Hillary is NOT taking over,and E.J. used to absolutely TRASH Bill,during the Monica/Impeachment stuff.
14 posted on 09/07/2004 12:32:56 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Former Military Chick

Heard a comment in the airport this evening: "Even Kerry's hobby (windsurfing) depends on which way the wind is blowing!"


15 posted on 09/07/2004 12:33:44 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - full of spit - Balls!))
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To: Former Military Chick

"oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth"

What type of garbage comment is that? I've yet to see any evidence the Vets have been anything but 100% accurate.


16 posted on 09/07/2004 12:35:44 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (A RINO is someone not voting for President Bush in 2004 while claiming to be a conservative.)
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To: bt_dooftlook

That is clever. I am going to share that with friends. The things you learn in an airport.


17 posted on 09/07/2004 12:40:52 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: nopardons

pasadena = passing on this one. :)


18 posted on 09/07/2004 12:41:11 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: Former Military Chick

That was Jay Leno's line the other night. Very memorable.


19 posted on 09/07/2004 12:48:05 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Former Military Chick
the anti-Kerry ads fit so neatly with the Republican Convention's goal of painting Kerry as soft on defense and not tough enough to deal with terrorism that it becomes ever harder to believe the Bush campaign's denials of any involvement with the Swift boat group.

I know a little bit about that subject, and my response is that it becomes ever harder to believe that E. J. Dionne Jr. and the rest of the staff at the Washington Post have the slightest idea what they are talking about, or the slightest interest in telling the truth, or even in finding out what the truth is.

From the very beginning, they have blown off the Swift Vets because they just plain don't like the idea of their guy (the Democrat) taking any lumps. The Post has done one reasonable article on the subject, and what they concluded was that the SwiftVets' version of events was substantially correct... when a mine went off under PCF 3, all the other boats but one closed on the '3' boat to render assistance. One boat fled down the river — Kerry's. For this Kerry got a medal.

In spite of that, most staffers at the Post cling to the absolute lie that the Swift Vets' charges have somehow been disproven or discredited. How could they be? Kerry refuses to sign the Form 180 that would allow reporters to see the records. In the absence of them, the Democrat reporters believe the Democrat, and tell the rest of us that the SwiftVets are liars.

Aside from Kerry himself, the liars in the piece are people like E.J. Dionne, who will refer to the "oxymoronically named" Swift Boat Veterans for Truth without having looked into the charges at all, except to take Kerry's word that everything happened the way he said. Real journalists would be badgering Kerry to sign the 180 so we can all see the records. But they don't do that. Instead they join Kerry in his lies, and smear a group of 250 decorated war veterans.

These stupid reporters cannot get it through their heads that the Swift Boat Veterans have nothing to do with Bush, or with being for Bush. They are against Kerry. They are against him because he fabricated spot reports to win himself a bunch of fancy medals, and then abandoned his crew after 4 months in country to return to the United States and begin a career as Jane Fonda's lackey, where he proceeded to orchestrate false testimony at the so-called "Winter Soldier investigation" and then presented what he knew to be false testimony to the Senate of the United States. And in so doing slandered every member of the military at the time.

People like E. J. Dionne cannot fathom why anyone might still be angry about that 30 years later. That's his problem. When he tells us lies about the Swift Vets being connected to the Bush campaign, it becomes our problem. We have entirely too many reporters and editors telling us lies because they themselves are Democrats and their natural instinct is to attack anyone who threatens their precious Democratic candidate. It's time for them to stop that crap and start doing their jobs. How does Kerry have a Silver Star with a combat 'V'? There is no such medal. But there it is, on Kerry's web site. How does Kerry have a citation signed by Navy Secretary Lehman? Lehman says he never heard of it, and never signed any such thing. And yet reporters continue to tell us that "naval records" support Kerry. No they don't, dammit. We not only have Kerry lying about this stuff, the reporters are all lying with him.

E.J. Dionne can go to Hell. He's a dishonest, lazy journalist who lets his own politics stand between him and telling people the truth.


20 posted on 09/07/2004 12:49:20 AM PDT by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com www.wintersoldier.com www.kerrylied.com)
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To: Former Military Chick
I'm not a Dionne fan but (being as objective as I can) this is the most pathetic political analysis I've seen in a long time.

The more I read the astute critical analysis and thought that much of the blogoshpere has introduced into the political seen, I've lost respect for many of these "professional" journalists.

This article is an embarrassment.

21 posted on 09/07/2004 1:07:08 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Former Military Chick
Democrats outside the Kerry campaign have been in a grumpy, jumpy mood since the oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth pushed the media into a frenzy over what Kerry did and didn't do in Vietnam.

Nope...no bias here.

22 posted on 09/07/2004 1:09:02 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: onyx

Oh,I see. :-)


23 posted on 09/07/2004 1:10:20 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Nick Danger
You have given Freepers a lot to mull over. Thank you, tomorrow when I am not so tired I will reply with a much more adult like response.

One thing I will leave with you and anyone else who reads this post. On August 22, 2004, Brit Hume, and Mr. Williams were going at it, as they usually do, this time about the Swiftees. Well, as blood veins popped out and voices got louder, Brit stopped and said to Juan something close to this, Have you read the front page article in the WP. Juan did not reply and Brit said to him, they ran a story on the Swiftee's and they as he was saying was not fond of this group but he said (challenged) Juan to read the article in its entirety. Whether Juan would take the challenge or not, I did and shared it with my husband as well.

So I went to see what his fuss was all about and there was some merit in the article, and I could see why Brit brought it up and why Juan ignored the question. He did say he has skimmed it.

On a closing note, I had a doctors appointment the next day and took my laptop to do some reading and several vets waiting at the pharmacy were reading over my soldier, so I gave them a copy and to my "shocked" reaction it was one of the only articles that they had read for a liberal leaning paper that they felt had merit.

So, take all of my words with what ever weight you may assign to it.

Here is the link to the article:

Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete /Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode

If you cannot access it, I will send it in PM.

BTW, good morning and thank you for taking the time to read my LONG post.

24 posted on 09/07/2004 1:11:31 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: zarf
Personally it was kind of like a suck up article. But, injectiing the "comback kid" reserved for Clinton has me grasping at air right now. Maybe he forgot what year this was... !
25 posted on 09/07/2004 1:13:28 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: Nick Danger

What you said in post 20...and double it. Lib "journalists" like Dionne always begin with the assumption that their anointed candidate can never be wrong about anything...because they themselves are never wrong about anything. Here's a person (Dionne) who takes the word of one person's memory of events over the words of more than two hundred others. I'll bet that Dionne is deathly afraid that the Swifties might be right. So better to condemn them without proof rather than face facts. And the facts indicate Dionne's candidate is spectacularly unsuited to be CIC.


26 posted on 09/07/2004 1:42:05 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: bt_dooftlook; dc-zoo; Former Military Chick; onyx

Cheney had the definitive line:


" Kerry says he sees two Americas. That's understandable since America sees two Kerrys."


27 posted on 09/07/2004 1:50:20 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Prime Choice

"So Bush is up double digits. Big Deal. I was in Vietnam!"
28 posted on 09/07/2004 1:54:00 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Former Military Chick
Did you hear anything?

Listen...

gurgle, flub, gurgle, flub...

Nah, it was just bubbles from something that sank!

29 posted on 09/07/2004 2:16:31 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Former Military Chick
"the oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth..."

I think I'll stop reading right there. If this guy thinks the Swift Boat Vets aren't telling the truth, then he's completely out of touch with reality.

30 posted on 09/07/2004 2:32:35 AM PDT by carl in alaska (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore")
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To: carl in alaska
You can bet the DemocRAT 'smear the Swiftees' campaign will be kicked up to a whole new level now since Kerry hired Begala and "Cpl Q-ball" Carville.

Support for the Swiftees is crucial right now, so they can get these ads on the air on REGULAR TV in battleground states.

FReepers are key in getting the word out about the righteousness of the SBVFT by exposing Kerry's FRAUD.

These Swiftee window stickers get the word out to the driving public, display public support for the SBVFT, as well as displaying the website address!

Swiftee window sticker thread - get yours! Freep mail for details.

31 posted on 09/07/2004 3:54:03 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Chieftain

Kerry's smear campaing aginst the Swift Boat Vets is not going to work. There are too many men in the SBVFT, they're united, and they're too credible to effectively discredit them as a group. Then there's another vets group that's about to release a documentary on what Kerry did to POW's in Vietnam. That should be a gutwrenching documentary--I think it's going to be released later this month. Bush should win at least 40 states by the time this is all over. The Fat Lady hasn't even arrived at the opera yet.


32 posted on 09/07/2004 4:04:42 AM PDT by carl in alaska (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's shoulder stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore")
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To: Former Military Chick
In fact, the anti-Kerry ads fit so neatly with the Republican Convention's goal of painting Kerry as soft on defense and not tough enough to deal with terrorism that it becomes ever harder to believe the Bush campaign's denials of any involvement with the Swift boat group.

In fact, the anti-Bush columns by commentators fit so neatly with the Democrat Convention's goal of painting Kerry as nuanced and Bush as a lying weasel that it become ever harder to believe the Kerry campaign's denials of any involvement with them.

Hey, E.J. didn't you read the memo? No more talk about the Vietnam era.

33 posted on 09/07/2004 4:09:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rmh47
Namely Bill and Hillary. Kerry must lose so that Hillary can run in 2008.

That reminds me...Where are all you people who stated Hillary will step up and run in '04?

I doubt she'll even run in '08!

34 posted on 09/07/2004 4:21:38 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: Former Military Chick
In fact, the anti-Kerry ads fit so neatly with the Republican Convention's goal of painting Kerry as soft on defense and not tough enough to deal with terrorism that it becomes ever harder to believe the Bush campaign's denials of any involvement with the Swift boat group.

Talk about your leaps of logic. No collusion is necessary.

Everyone is painting Kerry as weak, because he IS weak.

35 posted on 09/07/2004 4:22:55 AM PDT by syriacus (Kerry lied, while honorable men died. Benedict Arnold REALLY was a war hero before he was a traitor.)
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To: Former Military Chick

E. J. is wrong about everything, and always has been.

It must be strange for him, living in the real world yet writing about a nether world, a world that doesn't exist, and never will exist for anybody other than him.

His opinions aren't worth the toilet paper that he probably writes them on.


36 posted on 09/07/2004 4:47:58 AM PDT by jerod
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To: Former Military Chick
to distort Kerry's record and to lie about it if necessary -- to further that end.

Well, EJ has got the talikng points down, all right.

Distortions of Kerry's "record" at the convention?

Name one.

That should be our answer to every charge of "distortion" or "smear" or "attack"-NAME JUST ONE.

They can't handle the truth.

37 posted on 09/07/2004 4:53:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: sirchtruth
Where are all you people who stated Hillary will step up and run in '04?

Here I am!

32 days and counting!

38 posted on 09/07/2004 4:56:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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To: bt_dooftlook; Former Military Chick
Heard a comment in the airport this evening: "Even Kerry's hobby (windsurfing) depends on which way the wind is blowing!"

IIRC, that was a recent Jay Leno line.

39 posted on 09/07/2004 4:59:28 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Nick Danger

It is worse than just laziness about their jobs. The so-called "mainstream media" believes that it is their job to attack and discredit the incumbent, and only the incumbent. Thus AP can, with a straight face, SUE to get another copy of the President's already released guard records, while not even ASKING Kerry to release the service records he previously pledged to make public. If the "mainstream media" had any sense of balance, they'd SUE to get Kerry's records as well. They haven't and that tells you all you need to know about them.


40 posted on 09/07/2004 5:09:35 AM PDT by florida one
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To: Former Military Chick

> the oxymoronically named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

The most idiotic statement imaginable. I join others in asking how this shill keeps his job. What a disgrace.

letters@washpost.com


41 posted on 09/07/2004 5:14:57 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Former Military Chick
Kerry's views were easily parodied by Republicans in New York because voters are still not clear on what Kerry stands for and what he would do for them.

Maybe that's cause Kerry doesn't know himself
42 posted on 09/07/2004 5:36:34 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Former Military Chick
I read the article and noticed that most of the Kerry data was not from official documents, but, instead, had been sanitized through the appropriate Kerry Camp filters.

Even the sidebar fails to note that the M-79 shrapnel? wound was treated by picking the splinter out and applying a band-aid.

Where in the official documents does it note that Kerry's boat could (theoretically) make it to Cambodia in 2-3 hours? ALthough the time/ distance assumption is like assuming you could make it through a mile of Washington D.C. in 2 minutes (30 mph).

The point of the piece is to subtly diminish the impact of the SwiftVets statements and take the heat off of Kerry. I will give the writer credit for being less blatantly biased, but the bias is still there.

It seems pretty obvious to me that Kerry was just another ticket-puncher, he didn't make the full ride, just made sure he had the t-shirt.

43 posted on 09/07/2004 5:43:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota--I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!)
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