Skip to comments.CBS' “new” Bush guard memos a hoax (Update w/ conclusive proof of forgeries!)
Posted on 09/09/2004 3:47:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
(scroll down to the bottom of the article for the update section):
UPDATE: NEW PROOF OF FORGERY
Following the Little Green Footballs blog lead, CB decided to test the pantograph replication technique on another of the CBS documents to see if it held true. Using Microsoft Word on its factory default settings with 12 point Times New Roman font we copied the address line of CBS memo #1 and overlapped the two for comparison.
As you can see the test worked and, in doing so, inadvertantly uncovered more proof that the document is a forgery. The new evidence revolves around the fact that Microsoft Word auto-formats its text using the centering function. When the text alignment for center is selected each subsequent line will be precisely centered underneath the previous one with each word of the text readjusting to meet this alignment as new letters are entered into the line. Since typewriters mechanically stamp letters onto a sheet of paper one at a time, it is physically impossible to create a mechanical typewriter document that perfectly aligns two or more centered rows of text on top of each other. The address bar on CBS Memo #1 is perfectly centered and perfectly aligned, thus it had to have come from a computer word processor and not a typewriter. The replication experiment in Microsoft Word with an identical match further validates this origin.
You gotta wonder. Then again, how could somebody be so stupid as to vote for John Kerry? We see examples of the latter every day, and therein you find the answer to the former.
Not likely, since the improbability drive was replaced by Bistromathics. Plus, the sum of the improbabilities of Old Media actually being unbiased and truthful exceeds infinity minus 1.
Game, Set and Match. This is going to backfire soooo badly on both the MSM and Kerry. Idiots all.
"On other thing" = One other thing
In all fairness, back in the stone ages we used to center on mechanical typewriters all the time. It's just that the typist did the math rather than having the computer figure it out. :-)
That's exactly true, and if it wasn't necessary, I didn't do it.
I'm like everyone else here on FreeRepublic, hung up on this exciting bit of news. Sure hope this evidence sticks.
While skeptical at first about the forgery issue, I'm now convinced. I didn't even think about the centering. It's so commonplace to use centered paragraphs these days that you don't even notice it. Apparently, neither did the forgers.
CBS News AKA Weekly World News.
"60 Minutes should be canned and Dan Rather FIRED immediately. Then SwiftVets get 1 hour for every week until the election."
The punishment should fit he crime.
Abuse of the first amendment to defraud the electorate is criminal.
All CBS hat aired his deception affiliates should have very stiff FCC fines imposed. Individuals in the decision chain to produce and air this document should face criminal charges.
I recall doing that, but I also remeber it worked out if you had an even number of letters in the line but not for an odd number of letters.
I tried this. I counted 34 characters in the line
111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron
That puts the center between characters 17 and 18, if monospaced. ("t" and "e")
Then I counted 14 characters in the line
P.O. Box 34567
That puts the center between characters 7 and 8 ("o" and "x").
Draw a line between "t" and "e" on the first line, and between "o" and "x" on the second. The lines don't meet.
Bookmarked for later
The Kerry/Edwards Campaign aka Portrait of a Train Wreck...
Well, I was reading this thread, listening to Mark Levin, and watching the Round Table all at once, so I'll give you what I can from memory, for what it's worth.
Britt pointed out that one of his producers did a test by producing the same text with Word and superimposed it, with the results being identical to the original.
Mort mentioned that while the superscript was in one or some of the documents, at least one had the regular sized "th," so he concluded that that one document might be authentic.
Fred immediately pointed out that while it's true that the "th" was not in superscript on that document, there was an unusual space inserted between the numbers and the "th," which would be the only way to prevent the "th" from automatically switching to superscript.
Britt jumped in to clarify, asking Fred if what he meant is that the software will autmoatically convert the "th" to superscript if it is typed in immediately following a number without a space, which Fred agreed with.
Fred seemed very forceful in his belief that the documents are not authentic.
Brit did mention that Killian's son stated that he thinks that there is a mixture of truth and fiction to what the documents state. I don't think Brit elaborated on that. Killian's son said he does not believe that his father would have had documents like those in his personal files.
Brit asked the panel if they think the National Guard issue is basically a non issue, which everyone on the panel, except for Jeff Birnbaum agreed with. Birnbaum said that he finds it interesting that the National Guard issue could blow back to hurt KERRY's campaign if it's proven that these documents are faked; otherwise he dosen't think the NG issue hurts Bush.
Tom Harkins rushed to the media.......and made a fool out of himself again. What is wrong with those people out there that they keep re-electing this embarrassment to the U.S. Senate!!!??
Actually "1st Lt" is the correct abbreviation. It is the Army that uses "1LT."
That doesn't mean the documents are genuine. The correct abbreviation for lieutenant colonel is "Lt Col" (no periods), not "Lt. Colonel." And the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group is "147 FIG."
The documents have serious, serious problems.
Oh, I meant to add it seems obvious to me that the panel on the Round Table were Freeping today. :oD
Great details work!!!
Furthermore, if you draw a line striaght down, the "o" would be dissected by the line.
Right you are. I was a technical editor and our typists did that routinely. Don't think anyone that skilled on mechanical typewriters is still on the job. Also, there were devices called Varitypers in which perforated tape was coded by the operator to accomplish centering and varied spacing (common until early '70s)). If these docs were forged it undoubtedly was through the anachronistic (to 1972) and unbiquitous MS Word or WordPerfect programs, whose inherent advances would be manifestly obvious in the forged documents. This must be investigated. But by whom? If forgery and a change of content did take place, would it have violated any law?
ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC ARE ALL LIARS....NOT JOURNALISTS
They are simply propaganda platforms for the 3rd Way-Marxists.....and their newest proxies
The reason the Th is not superscripted is because a space was plaaced after 111 and befor the Th was typed.
An odd number of 'picas' only needs one tiny pica to make it an even number. On a proportional typewriter, that one pica can be easily placed unnoticeably between two words. Old repro typists knew which letters were better at masking such practices. People don't even notice now, but the only way that any text is right-hand justified is by adding or subtracting spaces between words.
That's right, and one of the lines in the above example had an odd number of spaces. Also, it just occurred to me that with a proportional font, the little trick we used to use to center a line becomes much, much more complicated.
See what I wrote in nbr 69.
I agree that it's possible. But what is the point? This was military records, not a sales brochure. The appearance should not have been a paramount concern. As I understand it, there is plenty of other evidence that it wasn't (spaces missing after commas and parentheses). More basic typing rules were disregarded, but centering to the nearest pica was followed?
I doubt it.
Are there other documents from this same unit in the same time period?
Do they show the same attention to detail?
Yep. Count the letters, divide by two, find your center mark and backspace. Been there, done that. And damn the line with an odd number of letters...
>>>> It's just that the typist did the math rather than having the computer figure it out. :-)
That would be a heck of a lot of math for what purport to be personal memos!!!!
Great point, which escaped me when I made my initial comment about centering.
I know you did just that because Dan does answer his phone.
You're showing mine too. A really GOOD typist could eyeball it and get it centered. :-)
Another case of "rope a dope" or Arkancide. I have visions of Wile E. Coyote opening up his package of forged documents from Acme and they explode in his face. Beep Beep
It is one thing to have a national press that overlooks (spikes) stories unflattering to their agenda. It is another thing entirely when they start manufacturing news to suit their agenda.
The "Mainstream Press" and CBS in particular has crossed the line one too many times. They are no longer news organizations. They are willing propagandists for the DNC and the Left Wing.
Nah, the little trick was that you would start in the center and backspace once for every two spaces in the line. As has been pointed out to me, though, is that you would need to have each line with an even number of spaces AND it wouldn't work with proportional spacing, so the little centering trick we used to use doesn't really apply to this document.
How's teh "typist" gonna figure the distance to the center of those proportional font "points" in the three lines before there were calculators?
What? Use a slide rule?
Then, so what?
he still has to put the typewriter at the ".xxx point" position to start typing!
In the Army, the signature on a letterhead document would be "Commanding" not "Commander." True for the Air Force?
Compare the alleged Memo/Order with one of Kerry's orders from his own website, which is typical of the format I saw in the Army, adjusting for service differences. Note the different typeface and format. http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Bupers_Orders_To_Gridley.pdf
If it's not close, they can't cheat.
You forget ... these are Godless evolutionists.
There was a big bang at the DNC, algoregoop sprayed all over the place, x42 just happened to be around to interpret the results and it was all determined to be authentic.
DanBlather stands on his belief.
"Because of Freepers like you who come forward and stand tall when the times demand and lay out the truth for all to see. "
You would think they would have chosen a more convincing address. P.O. Box "34567"? What's up with that? A straight flush!
How right you are. Back in the mid-1990's, when I was manager of a large proposal documentation group, I earned the respect of the whole crew when I was able to make last minute corrections at 2:00 am when the typists had left, by using my Exacto knife, small light table, and some words pulled off error sheets that had been thrown away. I left the cut and mortised pages for the word processors to update their computer files the next morning.
I believe so. You may dummy up a lot of documents for a lot of reasons without worry (as long as it is not intended to defraud someone of their property)--but don't try to dummy up a document and try to pass it off as an official document of an entity of the United States government (and the Guard has a sufficient federal nexus, I'm sure).
<< .... if 'they' ever can trace this thing back to its roots, we may well find that it all just adds more fuel to the fire regarding the theory that the Clinton's and their operatives are undermining Kerry so Hillary can be in position for 2008. >>
You are right on, of course.
But by suggesting he needs the Cli'ton's undermining You simultaneously flatter Kerry, give the Cli'ton gang way too much credit for the failure of his candidature -- and insult the inherent good common sense of the American electorate!
Not a bad days work.
Are there any hyphens at the end of sentences? I was a secretary back then, and I couldn't type any document without hyphens.
Rather's complicity in a willful hoax is becoming more and more obvious. This thing, if we play it right, could make the Jayson Blair shakeup look like a walk in the park. At first I was skeptical that the story would go anywhere other than the internet. Then I heard it on Hannity and now Brit Hume. It'll probably make a paper or two tommorrow like the Washington Times. We gotta keep pushing it though. Dan Rather resigning in disgrace would be wonderful, or if not a major apology on the air. Quite frankly with the way this thing is developing, neither is completely out of the question.
I'm lovin' watching the dems and especially mr. blather go down in flames about this...LOL
Also, EXCUSE ME, but there is no man in the world or who has EVER been in the world who would count spaces to get centering right. That's a woman thing.
I know proportional font typewriters were available at the time. But I don't believe for a second that any line unit, Air Force or Army, would put the bucks out for one. We're supposed to believe that a unit that didn't even have letterhead stationary spent extra for a fancy typewriter?