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Did we miss CBSNEWS admitting !!! ( your can skip to the 9th paragraph)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml ^

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:33:21 PM PDT by Cal Gonzalez

Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos that say President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush was shirking his duties.

The memos, which were obtained by CBS News' 60 Minutes, say Mr. Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Guard pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam.

The network defended the autheniticity of the memos, saying its experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos.

Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's performance review.

"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake.

"They looked to me like forgeries," Rufus Martin told the Associated Press. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.

Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript — a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" — as evidence indicating forgery.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cbs; killian; rathergate; selectricgate

1 posted on 09/10/2004 3:33:21 PM PDT by Cal Gonzalez
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To: Cal Gonzalez
BTTth
2 posted on 09/10/2004 3:37:43 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Cal Gonzalez

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I just want to jump through the screen and strangle this liar! Grrrrrrrrr...

(Ratherlies, that is)


3 posted on 09/10/2004 3:40:02 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: EdReform

LOL!


4 posted on 09/10/2004 3:40:17 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
Version here is different than version now at site.

Is their a coup underway at CBS?

5 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:17 PM PDT by CT (Oppose Left Wing Anti-American 'Hatriotsim)
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To: Cal Gonzalez
Rather has chosen to brazen it out. What other choice did he really have? Oh, yeah, he could have opted for the truth, I guess...nah...
6 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Cal Gonzalez

Well, Dan was less than compelling in his defense of the docs. BTW, why did their document expert remind of the guy who testified for the dems in the Flordia chad case ;)


7 posted on 09/10/2004 3:43:51 PM PDT by Paraclete
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To: Cal Gonzalez

I can't believe they admitted these were photocopies given to them.


8 posted on 09/10/2004 3:44:56 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Billthedrill
Rather on now - doesn't sound right. Matbe he has a cold but there is something odd about his voice.

He seems to be following the Clinton strategy - lie, lie, lie, accuse, accuse, accuse until a new story takes the headlines.

9 posted on 09/10/2004 3:47:17 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: Katya
I can't believe they admitted these were photocopies given to them.

Not to mention where the so-called originals are.
10 posted on 09/10/2004 3:50:04 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: Cal Gonzalez
Rather will not call Bush "President Bush." He always calls him "Mr.Bush."
He still calls Clinton "President Clinton."

My guess is he's suffering from the Al Gore disease. This will really send him over the edge. The only people saying the documents are real these days are Rathers "friends."
Remember when the 2000 Florida election was called for Gore? Rather said "It looks like our side is winning."

Suspicious Documents Went from DNC To Kerry Camp To CBS, Rather NOT a Victim


11 posted on 09/10/2004 3:54:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Cal Gonzalez

Try calling 1-212-975-4321 and ask to speak to Dan Rather... You'll get connected to some punk junior producer, but at least you'll get a chance to express your disdain for Mr. Rather and the great news gathering organization at CBS News.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 3:54:56 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: mcenedo

Repeat after me fellow Dems "Mr. Bush was shirking duties", "Mr. Bush was shirking duties" . . .


13 posted on 09/10/2004 3:56:20 PM PDT by jq2
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To: jq2; All

There are two polls on the subject on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Should Dan Rather and CBS News reveal the sources of the Bush memos?

Yes 35% 282 votes

No 65% 519 votes

Total: 801 votes

AND
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/

Do you think the recently released memos on President Bush's National Guard service are authentic?

Yes 52% 65829 votes

No 48% 61920 votes

Total: 127749 votes

If you are so inclined, CNN needs a little FR power!


14 posted on 09/10/2004 4:01:05 PM PDT by JustAnotherSavage (If you don't like my peaches, don't shake my tree!)
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To: Cal Gonzalez

Your link doesn't go to anything even remotely resembling your post. What is up?


15 posted on 09/10/2004 4:08:12 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Cal Gonzalez
Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley analyzed the documents for CBS News. He says he believes they are real. But he is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents, because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced. And the documents being analyzed outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with.

I guess if they reproduce it often enough it will become a full confession by Bush that he was AWOL from the age of 3 to 33, that he was and is a slacker and he really doesn't deserve to be reelected.

Sounds like another 60 Minutes episode is being scripted.

16 posted on 09/10/2004 4:08:44 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Paraclete
CBS? I'd Rather NOT!

(bumper sticker?)
17 posted on 09/10/2004 4:15:47 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: EdReform
thufferin’ thuccotash!
18 posted on 09/10/2004 4:19:09 PM PDT by afz400
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To: afz400; Brad's Gramma

LOL!!


19 posted on 09/10/2004 4:21:10 PM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: mcenedo
Rather on now - doesn't sound right. Matbe he has a cold but there is something odd about his voice.

We've secretly replaced Rather's brains with Folgers Crystals. Will anyone notice ?

Just watch......
20 posted on 09/10/2004 6:54:48 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Cal Gonzalez; All
Link to story above: (More Controversy Over Bush Docs)

This may have already been suggested in other posts, but I highly encourage people to send CBS a letter to express your displeasure. Thanks to FReepers, and other netizens, this story has taken on a life of its own. However, without continuous pressure CBS will try to weather the public's reaction and let the story die. (I know, they underestimate us at their peril. But, in reality, it WILL take more than posting here to force CBS to take responsibility, retract this story and apologize -- retiring Dan would be the icing on the cake).

Here is how you can participate. Click on the link above and go to the bottom of the page. Click on the "Contact us" link and leave a comment on their web based form. Also, please consider sending a snail mail complaint to CBSNews at CBSNews 524 W. 57th St. New York, NY, 10019.

I don't have their phone number, or I'd post that too.

Thanks!
21 posted on 09/11/2004 8:32:35 PM PDT by ActiveDutyUSMC (The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke))
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To: festus

Where did these documents come from? What did 'Dan-Dan the newsman' know and when did he know it?


22 posted on 09/11/2004 8:46:53 PM PDT by Sodbuster
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To: Cal Gonzalez
Robert Strong was an administrative officer for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years. He knew Jerry Killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paper work, like these documents, was Strong's specialty. He is standing by his judgment that the documents are real.

Is that the beginning and the end of Strong's credentials? Is he part of this story simply because he was around the office at the time?

Who the hell is he? What does he do? And where is he coming from?

Is he, for example, a Travis County, Texas Democrat? Might he know Ben Barnes? And Bill Burkett?

23 posted on 09/11/2004 8:55:14 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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