Posted on 09/14/2004 4:49:36 PM PDT by Pikamax
The Dallas Morning News had something about these sketchy documents by the reporter Pete Slover. Slover has gone to bat before when sketchy information was circulated about Bush.
He exposed that guy Sander Hicks, a hip-hopper micropublisher who published a book by a criminal named Hatfield. Hatfield had hired someone to bomb his supervisor's car, but the supervisor lived because the bomb misfired. Later Hatfield poisoned himself to death with prescription drugs. He had done time in three penetentaries. A real sociopath, but he published several books about X-Files, Star-Trek actors, etc.
Hatfield wrote a book called Unfortunate Son that claimed Bush was arrested for possession of cocaine but his dad got the charge fixed. Hatfield claimed Karl Rove told him this when they went fishing together (I think that's what he actually claimed, but that just sounds wierd. I am not positive about that).
That book Unfortunate Son was one of the biggest fakes ever. Hatfield and Hicks got sued by Hatfield's former boss, who was libelled in the book. Hatfield claimed the boss put him up to the murder. Total baloney.
Hicks tried to claim the Bush machine went after him, but really they were sued by the boss-- private citizen.
Now here is the relevant point:
Hicks also claimed that Rove arranged for this "true" information about Bush's cocaine arrest to be brought out by a dubious source (Hatfield) to discredit the "true" information. Expect to see this argument made.
Hicks is a political radical who seems to circulate some strange documents. See his site at www.sanderhicks.com
But I don't think that CBS would consider Hicks an unimpeachable source. He was made a fool of on 60 Minutes by Leslie Stahl.
Funny. Mort Zucker was on MSNBC tonight talking to Scarborough. Mort says that this is just bad journalism, not a case of bias. His proof is that all of the MSM is covering CBS's blunder. I say that the MSM WOULD NOT have covered this if the "right" internet wasn't making so much noise about it. It just got to a point that they could not ignore it.
Added point from post 121
The secretary who claims the documents are fakes says that she didn't type them but that she typed something similar.
OK. I think someone will claim that Rove surfaced this derogatory information but made it look like a fake.
Get it?
ta.
To hell with the memos! I'd like to see the goddamned media focus on Bush's CURRENT record. (Which is only a continuation of his past record.)
Right. So CBS News presses ahead knowing that the documents... ...were forgeries? I don't think so. I bet for every one of the experts noted in the WP article, CBS has at least five stating that the documents are real.
There's nothing.. in the memos that is scandalous enough to warrant this level of hype over them being a possible forgery. So, what's all the fuss about?
If the documents are a forgery, only Karl Rove would have put those papers out there. It is consistent with his trickery. In the 2000 campaign, Rove put out braking news, the same day of the first debate, of a tape sent to him of Gore's debate strategy. No one ever saw the tape because it was all a lie placed by Karl Rove to steal news time away from the debate. Rove has played many of the same tricks in the past.
How do we know Karl Rove is not behind this ?
It's up to rove to prove he is not guilty of this Just like it's up to those that believe the docs are forged to prove they are forged.
There is NO evidence to collaborate forgery! That is why CBS is sticking to its story.
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Hmmmm
Hmmmm is right.
This VRWC stuff can work absent attribution, but something inside tells me if the roles were reversed, a FReeper would give Powerline credit deserved.
They had a pact to rule together in distorting the truth for the American people? We didn't know.
(#121) thanks for the info...these people are nutz.
Look at this article
http://idaho.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/11430.php
They are saying just what I said they would say. They are claiming Rove leaked the "forged" documents in a way that made the information appear forged--to discredit the "rue" information. They even used the example of what happened to JH hatfield, the criminal/writer of "Fortunate Son," who claims that Karl Rove told him Bush was busted for cocaine in order for this information to come out from an unreliable source. I swear I didn't see this article before I posted.
Isn't the Democratic Party making a video also called called Fortunate Son? The same title as Hatfield's book. Hatfield was a criminal who wrote bad checks, stole from his employer, and hired a hit man to blow up his supervisor when she turned on her car. The bomb misfired.
re 133
you know your 'Fortunate Son' stuff!
Amazing, isn't it, that the DNC runs the internet commercial called Fortunate Son this week?
And the DNC called this "Natonal Guard Week"?
Re: Hatfield's book "Fortunate Son."
If you do a google search for Sander Hicks (the publisher of writer/bomber JH Hatfield's book) and add some of the personalities associated with this story about the possibly forged documents, you will get some interesting hits.
Sander Hicks has been interested in Bush's National Guard history for a long time. He talked to this guy named Gough
http://sanderhicks.com/gough.html about Bush's records supposedly being thrown out by Bush operatives. The article mentions this guy Bartlett, whom some suspect of authoring these documents and xeroxing them at a kinko's near his Texas home.
However, I read that Hicks actually worked in a Kinkos in NYC and used their xerox machines to self-publish books when he was a small publisher. Hicks later moved to S. Arizona and started a book about Karl Rove. Or was it Karl Marx? Well, anyway...
He got sued for publishing Hatfield's book, because they claimed that Hatfield's boss had put Hatfield up to murdering another employee. [Like this wasn't all investigated and rejected by the FEDS when Hatfield was tried for solicitation of capital murder "al la Fallujah" with a car bomb in the downtown Dallas Cotton Exchange.] The facts are that Hatfield's boss passed a lie detector test and Hatfield refused to be fluttered.
A guy named Mike Burke wrote some puff-pieces about the misadventures of Sander Hicks and about how Karl Rove supposedly gave the writer/bomber JH Hatfield the Bush-cocaine story so that nobody would believe it because Hatfield had a "chequered past" as an assassin. Karl Rove, according to the story, went fishing in a rowboat with a car-bomber and told him that Bush used cocaine.
Would you go out in a rowboat with a car-bomber? Probably not unless you were as dumb as Fredo Corleon. But I bet that there are some Fredos that Karl Rove would like to "take out" in a boat!
Personally, I think that Hatfield put the cocaine "bombshell" in his cut-and-paste-epic "Fortunate Son" as an afterthought so he would sell more Bush books than the other guys. The cocaine "bombshell" was pasted in at the end of the book. This seems like a rush job to me. If I really had a terrific scoop like that, it wouldn't be inserted at the end. It would be my centerpiece. Hatfield was just in a rush to beat out some other scribbler, so he slapped this lie on quick and got it into the printer.
Sander Hicks' cheerleader Mike Burke is currently conceeding that the current National Guard document may be a fraud, but he is claiming that it was a deliberately bad fraud that was supposed to be discovered and thus discredit the information in the document.
Burke explains that this what happened once before to Hatfield and his publisher Hicks regarding the Bush-cocaine allegation. I wonder if there is a fish story to go with this fable? Did Rove bait his hook in a rowboat on the Rio Grande?
What is kind of odd is that nothing about this National Guard document is on Hicks' website. He has long been writing lurid accounts about Bush's National Guard years and posting documents on his site purportedly from the National Guards. Why is he laying low on this? Not his style at all. See www.sanderhicks.com
Mike Burke wrote these articles linked below. Both mention Sander and Hatfield's Karl Rove issues and suggest that Karl Rove is behind these documents. [Hatfield committed suicide a while ago because he was about to be rearrested for computer fraud and loose his parole. So he's off the hook.]
Compare them both.
http://www.pacifica.org/programs/dn/030811.html
http://idaho.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/11430.php
I am no expert on documents, but if I were trying to forge something old, I would use old ink, old paper and an old typewriter. Actually, I would use a professional forger. If these documents are forgeries, the forger is certainly not a professional forger. He is an idiot. Being a professional forger requires long years of careful application, dicipline and patience. Whoever did this forgery was just a moron who can't plan ahead at alland never heard of document forensics.
Karl Rove, the ultimate scapegoat for skrew-ups who foul up, is being blamed for making bad forgeries in order to discredit the "true" information. AGAIN! How does he ever do it?
In reality, the Kinko forgery is just a fraud by some idiot who word-processed his fantasy-life and then xeroxed it over and over at a Kinkos. Now the flimsy forgery has emerged, phoenixlike, as a "brilliant" Karl Rove conspiracy. AGAIN! I guess the transformation somehow makes the mendacious morons brilliant operatives instead of useful idiots.
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