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Evidence that CBS News 60 Minutes II is guilty of malice and intent to defraud
ABC Evening News and USA Today | 9/14/2004 | Daniel

Posted on 09/14/2004 9:43:28 PM PDT by charleston1

I don't normally watch the ABC World News Tonight, but after a tip from someone a time zone ahead of me, I decided to watch and videotape their news tonight. I am glad I did. As described on several other threads, ABC News took their gloves off and gave CBS News/60 Minutes a good hard public flogging. In an article entitled "Casting Further Doubt," ABC News left no doubt that the CBS Evening News has perpetrated a clear case of fraud on its listening audience. The written article is located here.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_040914-1.html.

In the article, ABC news systematically dismantled what was likely to have been Dan Rather's “Swan Song”. Instead, it will undoubtedly be the story that drowned his career, a career I used to respect years ago. I still fondly remember the Dan Rather that went to Afghanistan to report on the Mujadin. Wow, how far he has fallen since hiking through the mountains of Afghanistan. Whether ABC knows it or not, they went one step further than their story suggests. That is, they exposed malice and fraud by CBS News/60 Minutes. As I mentioned at the beginning of this article, I videotaped the news article. I stood there stunned as I watched the interview by Brian Ross with Emily Will and I have reviewed it several times. Was I seeing things? Yes I was! There in black and white was Ms. Will going over the one document CBS News gave to here to presumably authenticate. Brian Ross stated:

“Emily Will, a court certified examiner from North Carolina, says she saw problems right away with the one document CBS hired her to check in the days before the broadcast.”

Ms. Will said: "I found five significant differences in the questioned handwriting, and I found problems with the printing itself as to whether it could have been produced by a typewriter."

On camera, Ms. Will goes over an enlarged display copy of the document she examined. Therein is the problem and the answer to the question of whether CBS News was honestly just reporting the facts. Unless Ms. Will is lying, CBS News/60 Minutes gave her a document that CBS has never publicly admitted that they had in their possession. Ms. Will carefully reviewed the alleged signature of Jerry B. Killian on the June 24th, 1973 letter addressed to “Sir”. I first found this same document on the USA Today website as one of six (not four as reported by CBS) alleged Killian documents which I first shared here on September 11th: search under "Killian" for the "Two more 'Killian' Documents" thread. Since CBS News did not make the June 24, 1973 document available at their website as part of their original story, the question for me ever since has been why? As it turns out in perfect hindsight, CBS has made significant efforts to lead the public to believe that they only had four documents. Just go back and watch the 60 Minutes II, interview again or go see the four documents on their website today. Why only four CBS documents? Recall that Marcel Matley, the respected signature expert used for the 60 Minutes II, interview to support the authenticity of the alleged Killian documents, was also only given one document to examine. Mr. Matley was given the 04 May 1972 document in which Lieutenant Colonel Killian allegedly ordered then Lieutenant Bush to report for his annual physical “not later than” May 14, 1972. This is a case of authentication shopping!!! It is also fraudulent and it was clearly done with malice as there is no other reason to restrict an honest authentication expert from seeing all of the evidence unless you already know the answer you want to hear. If anyone was duped, it would appear to be the documents experts themselves and an unsuspecting TV audience. Obviously, CBS should have shared all of their documents with all of their experts. It would appear that the truth they were looking for is frustratedly hard to find and harder to accept—a truth which exists in the minds of the investigators but not in their fictitious documents. In the end CBS News chose to use for its broadcast, the one signature that looked most authentic when compared to other known signatures of the late Colonel Killian. CBS News cast aside the document Ms. Will told them was not authentic. Of course, it is possible that Ms. Will was using the June 24, 1973, document as a prop provided by ABC, but I don't think so. I think Ms. Will did examine document number five of six (chronologically speaking). If not where did she get it, ABC News? Oh, and Bloggers, it’s charleston1@cox.net. Thanks.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abcnews; cbsnews; emilywill; killian; malice; rather; usatoday
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1 posted on 09/14/2004 9:43:29 PM PDT by charleston1
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To: charleston1

Look, I know that you are excited about your revelation, but your vanity post isn't "Breaking News" and will piss off quite a few FReepers. Come on, surely you are smart enough to figure out what "Breaking News" means...

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again For All Americans!

2 posted on 09/14/2004 9:46:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: charleston1
BREAKING NEWS?
3 posted on 09/14/2004 9:49:05 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: Southack

Actually that is really major, he is pointing out something epic that others could easily miss. Son of Buckhead. Now that even the LATIMES is admitting the documents are definitely forgeries, this is the next phase. To what degree did CBS fail to follow proper journalistic standards in vetting the documents, or even much worse, intentionally shopped "experts" to authenticate a small portion of the docs to give credibility to something they knew was a fraud from the start, with the clear intention of influencing a presidential election?


4 posted on 09/14/2004 9:49:28 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Southack; charleston1

Come on, cut the newbie some slack. It still stands as a good and informative post.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 9:50:46 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: charleston1

I remember your excellent post on the six documents, Charleston! You should link the post here for other freepers and media lurkers to read. I think you are right that it points out CBS where not dupes but shaping the outcome they wanted.


6 posted on 09/14/2004 9:50:47 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Southack
I tell ya, the amount of vanity's here lately have been almost unbearable to those of us who enjoy hearing other FReepers opinions on legitimate Articles in circulation
7 posted on 09/14/2004 9:51:45 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: AHerald

Yeah, its more informative than the crusty stuff I usually post.


8 posted on 09/14/2004 9:52:08 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("I knocked on the door of this man's soul, and found somebody home"--Zell Miller)
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To: charleston1

Very interesting, I hadn't really thought of it in that way. It makes logical sense. It clarifies why CBS wants no investigation and is pursuing the stonewall strategy. The Congress and the FCC really need to get involved in this.


9 posted on 09/14/2004 9:53:48 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: charleston1

Yeah they are still expert shopping but the market is real tight.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 9:53:49 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Southack

read his outstanding post/analysis on the usa today documents. They received 6 MEMOS! CBS says there were only 4! His thesis is CBS also received 6 but buried the other two! He is an outstanding newbie. Let's hear from USA TODAY!


11 posted on 09/14/2004 9:54:27 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Southack

Yes it IS Breaking News.


12 posted on 09/14/2004 9:55:29 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MJY1288

BREAKING NEWS? >>

yea, that's what he put. so?


13 posted on 09/14/2004 9:55:40 PM PDT by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/892053/posts)
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To: AHerald

I agree the poster deserves a break because of the informative post, but lately this site has become more of a chat room for emotional outburst. This well thought out comment could have been posted to at least 50 threads as of late, and hardly deserves it's own thread, when we know the bandwidth here is being tested because of all the new visitors and members


14 posted on 09/14/2004 9:56:00 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: charleston1

Sorry about your treatment here....thanks for the info.


15 posted on 09/14/2004 9:56:33 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: lawdog; ConservativeLawyer; WL-law; Beelzebubba; Buckhead; Abundy

Calling all lawdogs!


16 posted on 09/14/2004 9:57:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: charleston1

Good info, thanks.


17 posted on 09/14/2004 9:57:47 PM PDT by TJC
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To: spyone

"I remember your excellent post on the six documents, Charleston! You should link the post here for other freepers and media lurkers to read. I think you are right that it points out CBS where not dupes but shaping the outcome they wanted."

Thanks,

I think some of the replies above were made without reading my whole article and I knew I was taking a chance making it as long as I did. I think I have fairly pointed out the methodology CBS used including the deliberate witholding of two key documents from the public in a deliberate effor to not be found out. I am linking to that first post I made here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213444/posts


18 posted on 09/14/2004 9:58:05 PM PDT by charleston1 (No prisoners.)
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To: Ann Archy

It was breaking news six hours ago.......not now.


19 posted on 09/14/2004 9:58:27 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Ann Archy

I agree, from a legal technical POV, this is breaking news. That is, crossing the "malice" threshhold etc.


20 posted on 09/14/2004 9:58:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: charleston1
You have made a VERY big catch here!

For those above who've already figured it out I'll give the poster one more plug here:

1. CBS was given the 6 documents that CNN was

2. One of the two they DIDN'T reveal was pointed out as a fraud by this expert

3. CBS stops further analysis and runs with the 4 they have left.

4. Yet (and I'll add my point here) there one & only "expert", the spirtual handwriting guy (who isn't certified) has written that when one document of a group is known to be a fraud the rest are automatically either suspect or ruled out prima facia, too!

21 posted on 09/14/2004 9:58:50 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: charleston1

What's important here is that ALL of this gets linked back to the DNC AND Kerry. Rather is finished professionally and may even wind up in jail. The DNC and Kerry need to go with him.


22 posted on 09/14/2004 9:59:17 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: charleston1

Rebump for breaking.


23 posted on 09/14/2004 9:59:23 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: MJY1288; Southack

We may have to have detention and give classes to people who think every thought that pops into their head needs its own thread.


24 posted on 09/14/2004 9:59:23 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: charleston1

So are you saying that Rather knowingly, premeditated with malice of forethought intentionally set out to defraud the voting public who are in the undecided group?

It's unfortunate O'Reilly will go down with Rather.


25 posted on 09/14/2004 10:00:02 PM PDT by swheats
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To: charleston1
Nice one!

Welcome to you.

BTW, some formatting would be easier on the old eyes. ;^)

26 posted on 09/14/2004 10:01:04 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: charleston1

I just e-mailed link to this post to Kerry Spot for him to confirm - if your catch is correct this could be the big(gest) one!


27 posted on 09/14/2004 10:02:15 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: swheats

that wouldn't be the way it worked; putting on my Bernard Goldberg hat here, what would have happened is that Rather (or more likely just his producer Mames), with their bias, shut down the authentication process before they ran out of subject material, believing in their Kerry loving heart of hearts that the story was true, if only it weren't for those darned document examiners who make swiss cheese out of the Rather / Mames source document production factory.


28 posted on 09/14/2004 10:04:08 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Who?


29 posted on 09/14/2004 10:04:39 PM PDT by charleston1 (No prisoners.)
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To: Steven W.

The reason they were only given one document only, is that if you line all six up, you will see that 2 of the six signatures are completely different.
Of the remaining 4, there are actulty only 2 signatures, each of those 2 signatures were cut and pasted on the other 2 documents.


30 posted on 09/14/2004 10:04:47 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Howlin
I agree! I wish John and Jim would give us an option to ignore unlinked vanity threads. They have been out of control lately.

The Mods need to crack down

31 posted on 09/14/2004 10:04:52 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: charleston1; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; Luis Gonzalez; ...




RAthER   BAGHDAD


32 posted on 09/14/2004 10:05:53 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: swheats
O'Reilly will have to shed his "Bottom Dweller" status before he can go down with anything floating on the surface :-)
33 posted on 09/14/2004 10:07:20 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: DCPatriot

BTW, some formatting would be easier on the old eyes. ;^)

Er, I plead totally guilty. I admit it, I typed it up on Microsoft Word and it looked so real there that I just pasted it into the freeper post box thinking it would look good here too. Next time I'll use my typewriter;-)


34 posted on 09/14/2004 10:07:46 PM PDT by charleston1 (No prisoners.)
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To: charleston1
Kerry Spot [jim geraghty for National Review Online] and I'll e-mail Drudge too :)
35 posted on 09/14/2004 10:07:51 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Smartass

LoL! Hey! that's what I was working on!


36 posted on 09/14/2004 10:08:14 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Smartass

Yep...that's the ticket!


37 posted on 09/14/2004 10:09:32 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MJY1288; Howlin

You can ignore it by getting your snotty butts of this post.


39 posted on 09/14/2004 10:10:41 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 09/14/2004 10:10:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MJY1288

LOL I can't believe I used to give him an hour a day.


41 posted on 09/14/2004 10:11:42 PM PDT by swheats
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To: charleston1

Excellent work....ignore the opinion from behind the curtain.


42 posted on 09/14/2004 10:12:27 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: Nathan Zachary
It's no wonder NYT reports that "Officials at CBS News said on Tuesday that they would at some point in the day provide the name of a document expert who expressed confidence in the records' authenticity before the report was broadcast. But they did not do so, and Ms. West declined to say why."

I bet I can say why ... because nobody that will pass the laugh test is going to sign off on these documents, even one at a time & particularly not all in tandemo ROFLMAO

43 posted on 09/14/2004 10:12:28 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Smartass

Ha Ha,Ping


44 posted on 09/14/2004 10:13:18 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: charleston1

This is definitely BREAKING NEWS! Can you get a screen shot of that displayed document with the date? It does not accompany the ABC story.

The ABC story says: "Ultimately, they played a peripheral role and deferred to another expert who examined all four of the documents used,"

Clearly ABC does not understand that they were looking at a fifth document that CBS had suppressed.

I just posted to the admin moderator to suggest that this thread be put back in BREAKING NEWS.

Good job. Now, please get us the proof. If you don't have a means of getting a screen shot from the tape, then give us the city where you are. There may be a Freeper who can perform a screen capture for you. (Make a COPY of the tape!)


45 posted on 09/14/2004 10:14:45 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Howlin

Give the poster another read - I think this is a bombshell. It makes clear the degree to which CBS knew that they were working with phony material ahead of time AND WITHELD IT FROM THE PUBLIC. They didn't say, in their report, CBS also obtained two other documents from the same source they weren't able to authenticate. Heck, they didn't authenticate any AND withheld the two. I wonder if USA Today knew that CBS did, indeed, have the extra two docs when they published their .pdf file.


46 posted on 09/14/2004 10:16:36 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: the_Watchman

Yeah I can get a videograph up online. I'll do so ASAP! I'm off for awhile.


47 posted on 09/14/2004 10:17:01 PM PDT by charleston1 (No prisoners.)
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To: Steven W.
You know what really amazes me is that here's the secretary that would have typed the original documents if there were any, still alive and living in Texas and anti-bush to boot and CBS made NO effort to find her before they ran with the story?

what's that say about their research?
48 posted on 09/14/2004 10:18:01 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: charleston1; Jim Robinson

We may have another winner here if we can get charleston1 some help in preparing a screen shot of the document display from the ABC report!

Charleston1 saw something in the broadcast that ABC news missed! CBS was clearly shopping experts.


49 posted on 09/14/2004 10:19:43 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Steven W.

yes, USA does know cuz charleston posted the JPEG or whatever file it was 2 days ago!


50 posted on 09/14/2004 10:20:07 PM PDT by spyone
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