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Townhall.com (via NealsNuz) ^ | 9-15-2004 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 09/15/2004 7:02:08 AM PDT by heckler

“Police officers -- police officers -- begging the president all across our country: Keep this ban in place so we don't have to walk into a drug bust staring the down the barrel of a military machine gun, of an Uzi or an AK-47.” - John Kerry, fully automatic liar.

“And so tomorrow, for the first time in 10 years, when a killer walks into a gun shop, when a terrorist goes to a gun show somewhere in America, when they want to purchase an AK-47 or some other military assault weapon, they're going to hear one word: Sure.” - John Kerry, lying about weapons of mass destruction.

Last week, I was asked to go on a radio show to debate the assault weapons ban, which was passed on September 13, 1994. My opponent was a former New York City police officer who wanted the ban to be renewed because he was opposed to the private ownership of fully automatic weapons.

When I informed the former officer that the bill had nothing to do with fully automatic weapons he indicated that he would re-read it and reconsider his position if he discovered that I was right. In other words, he was a reasonable man who knows that people sometimes make mistakes. He also has the maturity to change his position when he finds that he was mistaken or, more likely, misled about important facts.

But the good natured debate was ruined when an “educator” decided to call in to the show to offer his opinion on the issue. The self-described high school counselor said that he didn’t want the ban to expire because he didn’t want people coming into his school shooting up the place with machine guns. Again, I corrected the error.

Unfortunately, the educator didn’t respond to my correction in the same fashion as the former officer. He said something like “you think you’re better than me because you’re a college professor. Shame on you!” After his momentary hissy fit, he threw out a statistic (from God knows where) saying that 27 heads of law enforcement agencies supported renewing the ban.

The “27 police chiefs” statistic was pretty easy to rebut, given that approximately 17,000 state and local law enforcement agencies report crime data to the FBI on a monthly basis. I simply asked him why more police chiefs didn’t support the ban. The “educator” said that most of them didn’t have time to travel to Washington, DC. I didn’t understand what that was supposed to mean. I still don’t.

Finally, the educator/master-debater suggested that citizens should never be able to own guns more powerful than those the police carry on duty. At least he was honest. Such a rule would eliminate almost all hunting rifles with a single stroke of the pen.

That suggestion is even more radical than one I once heard from a tenured sociologist. Though not opposed to hunting rifles, he thought that it was “unfair” for hunters to use high-powered scopes. If I were a deer, I guess I would prefer to die a slow death from a bad shot. I wouldn’t want to die quickly from a clean shot in the heart. If I were a deer, I would be a liberal deer constantly thinking about “fairness.” If I were a tree, I would be a liberal tree doing an interview with Barbara Walters.

Of course, educators are not the only ones spewing nonsense about gun control these days. Nightline did a segment last week on the assault weapons ban with fully automatic weapons blazing in the background, nearly drowning out the voice of Ted Koppel (that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing). Such weapons have nothing to do with the 1994 ban. In fact, they have been banned since 1934.

Other news commentators have made reference to the AK-47, the Uzi, and other weapons, which are similarly unaffected by the 1994 ban. Even semi-automatic versions of those particular guns were outlawed under a 1989 import ban. They have nothing to do with the 1994 ban in question.

If none of this comes as any surprise, enter Dennis Miller. Dennis is one of my favorite television commentators. In fact, we have a lot in common. We are both former liberals who are very sarcastic and quite handsome, I might add. (Well, two out of three isn’t so bad).

Unfortunately, on September 13, Dennis Miller joined in with all the other misinformed media elites, saying that we need to keep “machine guns” in the hands of our soldiers, not in the hands of our citizens. Claiming to be “mad as hell” about the expiration of the ban, he made foolish references to the Uzi and AK-47, just like our friends in the liberal media.

Dennis Miller has every right to go on a fully automatic rant on national television, just as my fellow “educator” had a right to make a fool of himself during a live radio interview. But there are certain rights that we should waive by using a little self-control (as opposed to government coercion).

We can’t trust people like Ted Koppel to give us good information on the pros and cons of gun control legislation. Ted is more than misled (new bumper sticker, anyone?). He will engage in willful distortion (a nice term for lying) to spread his anti-gun propaganda. He would Rather pursue a poorly concealed political agenda than act like an honest journalist.

But we should expect more from the likes of decent people like Dennis Miller. I hope that Dennis will admit to his blunder Rather than freezing like a CBS anchorman caught in the headlights of an oncoming 18-wheeler.

I won’t even get into the quotes by Kerry. He just keeps shooting himself in the foot. No, I didn’t mean that literally, Chris Matthews.


TOPICS: Editorial
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1 posted on 09/15/2004 7:02:09 AM PDT by heckler
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To: heckler
when a terrorist goes to a gun show somewhere in America

Yes, because we ALL know that terrorists prefer to legally pay $400+ dollars for guns, rather than the $10 dollars it costs in Afghanistan.

2 posted on 09/15/2004 7:05:26 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: heckler

"I'll take a plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range."


3 posted on 09/15/2004 7:06:43 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: heckler
Anyone who storms into someplace and shoots it up with an automatic or semiautomatic weapon has already broken at least a dozen laws. What is so sacred about the law that recently passed away that people who are inclined to do this sort of thing will pull up short thinking "Oh my goodness, I'd better not bread the AWB"? Let's start by enforcing the laws we have on the books and if that doesn't work then we can talk about some new ones!
4 posted on 09/15/2004 7:07:07 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: heckler
John Kerry, fully automatic liar.

"automatic liar"? That's a great one!

5 posted on 09/15/2004 7:12:54 AM PDT by The Toad
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To: NavVet
I'll take a plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range."

"Dah Uzi 9 millimeta"

6 posted on 09/15/2004 7:13:03 AM PDT by MP5
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To: heckler

Bump.


7 posted on 09/15/2004 7:15:40 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Communism is a mental illness. Historical amnesia is its prerequisite.)
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To: heckler; Joe Brower; Squantos; Eaker
The truth doesn't matter to the 'rats. They are actually proud to be ignorant on firearms matters, they wear their ignorance as a badge of honor, and consider folks who are knowledgeable about them to be suspect, potential mass-killers.


8 posted on 09/15/2004 7:15:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Puppage

A terrorist at a gun show in America is their worst nightmare.... Surrounded by civilians willing to shoot them if they so much as let slip that they're terrorists.



I'm waiting for someone to do a response of that despicable ad showing Osama with a gun, saying that they're looking forward to 9/13.

I want to see something like, "Terrorists Aren't Looking Forward To 9/13" and a picture of a couple hundred American gun owners holding their guns over their heads. It would make a cooler video clip if everyone was chanting something patriotic.


9 posted on 09/15/2004 7:16:34 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Puppage
Yes, because we ALL know that terrorists prefer to legally pay $400+ dollars for guns, rather than the $10 dollars it costs in Afghanistan.

Does that 400+ dollars include the cost of converting SEMI-Automatic guns to automatic?

10 posted on 09/15/2004 7:21:27 AM PDT by mc5cents ("We will have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...
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11 posted on 09/15/2004 7:29:21 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: heckler
But we should expect more from the likes of decent people like Dennis Miller. I hope that Dennis will admit to his blunder Rather than freezing like a CBS anchorman caught in the headlights of an oncoming 18-wheeler.

I don't expect more ... they'd all Rather lie to the American people, if it will advance their goal of a defenseless populace.

12 posted on 09/15/2004 7:29:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dick Cheney is MY dark, macho, paranoid Vice President!)
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To: NavVet

"I'll take a plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range."

Good choice. It makes the 30 watt look like a pea-shooter.


14 posted on 09/15/2004 7:31:35 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: heckler

This is quite interesting--all I have heard about is "UZI's!!! AK-47s!!!" What is a good resource I can use to rebut those claims?


15 posted on 09/15/2004 7:36:21 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: heckler
I'd like to add a few items; especially as it concerns California. Years ago, thugs took over a bank in Southern California, and the police were outgunned. Now then, let's go to more recent issues: Homeland Security Defense funds; numerous docs showing that these funds have NOT been going into necessarily beefing up police weaponry and tactical skills.

Furthermore, let's take a look at what "thug" union leaders in CA have been pulling off for years in re pensions for public servants. And before anyone begins screaming at me! YES! I BLOODY WELL KNOW HOW ERRONEOUS IS THE "ASSAULT WEAPONS" definition! Makes my blood boil that this sleight of hand - ever occurred.

Again, I repeat -- the CA Police Officers did not have adequate weaponry to take out those thugs.

16 posted on 09/15/2004 7:36:25 AM PDT by Alia
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To: heckler
“Police officers -- police officers -- begging the president all across our country: Keep this ban in place so we don't have to walk into a drug bust staring the down the barrel of a military machine gun, of an Uzi or an AK-47.” - John Kerry, fully automatic liar.

U.S. Department of Labor
Occupational Fatalities per 100,000
Year 1999
Commercial Fishermen
162
Timber Cutters
154
Air Pilots
65
Construction Laborers
37
Garbage Collectors
34
Truck Drivers
28
Electricians
12
Gardeners (non farm)
11
Police
11
Carpenters
7

17 posted on 09/15/2004 7:37:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: heckler
No offense to Law Enforcement, but they are the last ones who should be determining public policy. Their job is to enforce it, not help make it.

They also obtain a rather jaundiced view of the public from having to constantly deal with the bottom 10% of any particular population. This has become painfully clear trying to discuss this issue with my father, retired Deputy, and others with law enforcement experience.

How many of us "gun nuts", and those the police deem unworthy, would gladly go in to harms way to help an officer out of a bad spot? How many would volunteer, and do, when the local Sheriff calls for it? How many of us consider ourselves the "unorganized militia" just waiting to be mustered?

For this "patriotism", we are labeled dangerous and untrustworthy. We the Law abiding are starting to feel a little put out here...

18 posted on 09/15/2004 7:40:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Travis McGee
One would think that with all the sleep these rats and their politico police chiefs are losing over their fear of these avon guns they'd get sick and die.........must be they are just acting. I did a little work as a deputy and for 16 years in a drug infested arena of city and rural responsibility I can count a few sawed off shotguns but ony two or three rifles used in crimes and they were all bolt guns. SKS's and the AK & M16 clones were very much present in New Mexico but not once did I see one used nor did I read a report about one being used in a neighboring jurisdiction.

IMO most Police Chiefs and Sheriffs of large communities and counties are corrupt polidiots of the worst kind. Their chicken little Avon Gun Ban rant is diversional disinformational BS and they know it....

Stay safe !

19 posted on 09/15/2004 7:41:19 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Medium to big city police chiefs are pure politicians, sucking their way to higher office, usually by toeing the 'rat party line.


20 posted on 09/15/2004 7:43:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: heckler
Nightline did a segment last week on the assault weapons ban with fully automatic weapons blazing in the background, nearly drowning out the voice of Ted Koppel (that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing). Such weapons have nothing to do with the 1994 ban. In fact, they have been banned since 1934.

That's not correct, but it might as well be. With the '84 restrictions on them, you have to be Bill Gates to afford one even if you wanted to jump through the NFA hoops.

21 posted on 09/15/2004 7:45:15 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Damn! Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up gardening.


22 posted on 09/15/2004 7:45:19 AM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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To: heckler
All I know is that I'm starting to lose my voice from the near-constant explainations I'm dishing out to panicked people who blame me personally for endangering their lives with my support of the AWB sunset.

The misinformation being spewed forth by the media (including FOX), Kerry, and every other outlet with an agenda is criminal, IMHO.

23 posted on 09/15/2004 7:56:49 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Happiness Is A Silent Blissninny)
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To: Tax-chick

Miller has been anti-gun all along, so where's the surprise? Changing party affiliation is easy.


24 posted on 09/15/2004 7:57:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

For me, the surprise is Mike Adams' acting so naive. Maybe he thinks newscasters are a different class from the academics about whom he usually writes?


25 posted on 09/15/2004 7:58:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dick Cheney is MY dark, macho, paranoid Vice President!)
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To: Tax-chick

They are.... they're even lower. They mislead thousands/millions at one time and don't charge admission.


26 posted on 09/15/2004 8:05:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota and I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Good point.


27 posted on 09/15/2004 8:07:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dick Cheney is MY dark, macho, paranoid Vice President!)
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To: NavVet

"Just what you see on the rack, buddy."


28 posted on 09/15/2004 8:20:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: BadAndy

Don't you mean "spitwad shooter"?


29 posted on 09/15/2004 8:20:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: heckler

I'd like a nickel for every time these so-called experts, reporters, politicians and police chiefs use the term 'clips' to refer to 'magazines'.

In my mind, I tune out anyone using that term to discuss the AWB as unqualified to speak on the issue.


30 posted on 09/15/2004 8:21:08 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I'll bet that at least 4 of those deaths had nothing to do with gunfire.


31 posted on 09/15/2004 8:22:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I'll bet that at least 4 of those deaths had nothing to do with gunfire.

More like donut-clogged arteries.

They do count that.

32 posted on 09/15/2004 8:44:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: heckler

The Preamble to the Bill of Rights





Effective December 15, 1791
Articles in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

PREAMBLE
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.





33 posted on 09/15/2004 8:52:10 AM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: heckler
Here's some counter-propaganda:

The Second Amendment - Commentaries

34 posted on 09/15/2004 9:06:20 AM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: Joe Brower

Joe keep me on any RKBA and pro-gun lists that you have ~ Thanks!

Be Ever Vigilant!


35 posted on 09/15/2004 10:45:16 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: heckler

"when a terrorist goes to a gun show somewhere in America"

And wants to purchase an AK-47 or a Boeing 767..........

It seems like the last attack we had was with airplanes.


36 posted on 09/15/2004 10:56:21 AM PDT by cowboyway (My Hero's have always been cowboys.)
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bttt


37 posted on 09/15/2004 1:55:58 PM PDT by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: heckler
Unfortunately, on September 13, Dennis Miller joined in with all the other misinformed media elites, saying that we need to keep “machine guns” in the hands of our soldiers, not in the hands of our citizens

He needs to reread the second amendment. The right of the people to keep and bear military (IE. militia) arms is exactly what it protects. The courts have ruled in that in other places where the words "the people" are used in the Constitution, it means *more* than just citizens. It also includes other legal residents.

38 posted on 09/15/2004 2:01:47 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: jcb8199
What is a good resource I can use to rebut those claims?

The law itself. Title 18 section 922 contain most of the firearms law. Here's a link

922 (v)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon.
( The definitions are in section 921)

(30) The term ''semiautomatic assault weapon'' means -
(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as -
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel
designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;

(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or
completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and

(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

The law banned "semiautomatic assault weapons", not machine guns or fully automatic weapons of any kind. BATFE refers to them as SAWs. BATFE has a blurb on their page at www.atf.gov

39 posted on 09/15/2004 2:16:06 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: heckler
UZI's Ak-47's are old stuff.

I'd love the P-90 that those folks use on Stargate SG-1 though that is 10+y.o. stuff.

If I could get my hands on stuff then I'd get the new Israeli Tavor rifle, its one very sweet piece I hear.

40 posted on 09/15/2004 4:01:03 PM PDT by prophetic (Dems investigate for pre 9/11intel - but now we've LOTS of Intel and they claim politics)
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To: Puppage; heckler

I know I would rather buy a $400 semi-auto AK than the going rate for a full auto in the third world.

Some folks are just too stupid to fix.


41 posted on 09/16/2004 8:13:24 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (So "F'n" means "flip-flopping"? ><BCC>)
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To: Joe Brower

THANX FOR THE PING!!


42 posted on 09/17/2004 5:48:19 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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