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Whitehouse may release more military records
The Washington Post ^ | 16 Sep 2004 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/15/2004 10:17:11 PM PDT by Racehorse

In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.

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To: MJY1288
How else would his dental records would become public if he didn't?

When you retire or are released from military service you are encouraged to make copies of your medical and dental records. I have copies sitting here in my desk. If anyone wants to see them, no problem I can let them take a look.

51 posted on 09/15/2004 11:20:33 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: MJY1288
How else would his dental records would become public if he didn't?

When you retire or are released from military service you are encouraged to make copies of your medical and dental records. I have copies sitting here in my desk. If anyone wants to see them, no problem I can let them take a look.

52 posted on 09/15/2004 11:21:00 PM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Diddley

That link is to one of the forged documents.


53 posted on 09/15/2004 11:21:27 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: txrangerette

Yes


54 posted on 09/15/2004 11:22:29 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: LincolnLover
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the White House claimed more than once over the past four years to have released all of these records, only to have new stuff surfacing intermittenly again and again?

I think that Bush gave an executive order to have all of the pertinent records released.
It is then up to the government to locate the records as it can ???
So, they might not all be released in a "package".

55 posted on 09/15/2004 11:22:31 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Terp
"At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said he couldn't say specifically whether Mr. Bush signed Standard Form 180, but the president did request and release his own military records in February. "I don't believe he signed any form, but he did authorize making his military records available publicly," Mr. McClellan said. "We have released all the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his medical records as well."

I have heard it repeated several times that he did sign form 180 but I found this quote from the Washington Times

56 posted on 09/15/2004 11:23:00 PM PDT by hawkiye
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To: Racehorse

Rope a Dope du Jour?


57 posted on 09/15/2004 11:24:44 PM PDT by woofie (This document was generated in 2004 by a computer)
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa Dave, In all my years of watching politics... I have never seen the RATS this badly out of touch.

Terry McAuliffe has taken the Democrat party so far to the left that many of the traditional democrats are turned off by the negativity of their message.

I hope they continue on their current path :-)

58 posted on 09/15/2004 11:24:44 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: txrangerette

No. This is a record with equal spacing, etc.

I don't remember where I picked it up, but the site wizbangblog was showing what a "real" record looked like.
It just happened to be this one.


59 posted on 09/15/2004 11:25:05 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Howlin
Comptroller. (Yes, I looked it up.)

Comptroller. And governor-wanna-be.

60 posted on 09/15/2004 11:26:01 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: MJY1288
they cut out some filler.

Q Scott, can you say for certain that -- are you aware of any other documents regarding President Bush's service in the Guard that have not been released?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, actually, we talked about this earlier today -- some questions came up this morning. And if you'll recall back in February, the President directed the Department of Defense to do a comprehensive search, gather all the records, so that we can make them available publicly. The President's personnel, payroll and medical records were released in their entirety -- I notice you had a comment the other day, I just want to make sure that's clear and that's what I referred to back then. Since that time, there were some further media inquiries. The Department of Defense went back and did -- apparently they didn't do as comprehensive a search as we had requested, and they found some additional documents that weren't in any of those files. And so they have continued to scour through additional files that aren't part of the President's personnel, payroll, and medical files to see if there are any records relating to the President. And my understanding is that that work has continued. I don't know the latest update on it at this point.

Q Have you or others in the White House seen documents that have not yet been released?

MR. McCLELLAN: I have not. I'll try to check. We've been traveling, but I don't know of any other specific documents that have been found at this point. But I know that they're -- I know they're continuing to look at that, so that's a very real possibility.

61 posted on 09/15/2004 11:26:02 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Racehorse

This should be interesting.


62 posted on 09/15/2004 11:27:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: texasflower

I have all 6 of the forgeries, which are in word format, not Courier.
This is obviously not one of the 6.


63 posted on 09/15/2004 11:28:09 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: nonkultur
Thanks for posting this snip

I don't know about you, but I don't see a hint of more documents to be released in this statement.... Do you?

64 posted on 09/15/2004 11:29:48 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: Racehorse

Obviously set up by that wily Karl; first he induces Dem lying slime to commit bad forgery and fax it to lying slime Dan and then he "finds" truthful documents to further expose the forgery and lies. What an evil genius he is.


65 posted on 09/15/2004 11:32:29 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Diddley; texasflower

I believe the content is from the forgery, but I'm gonna get some sleep & deal with it later.


66 posted on 09/15/2004 11:33:37 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Diddley

Being suspended is not necesssarily a "bad" thing.

In Bush's case, he was transferring to Alabama where he wouldn't be flying. Not taking a physical at that time, and losing flying status was an expediencey, not a "bad" thing.


67 posted on 09/15/2004 11:35:12 PM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Racehorse

Danny boy is about to be sandbagged-Texas style.


68 posted on 09/15/2004 11:41:24 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Mr. McClellan said. "We have released all the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his medical records as well."

Note that it wasn't... "We have released all the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his ALL medical records as well."

It will be so funny if this is a trap.
69 posted on 09/15/2004 11:42:47 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: txrangerette; Diddley
I believe the content is from the forgery

That's the way I understand it also.

70 posted on 09/16/2004 12:13:18 AM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: igoramus987

Is W near-sighted? I see him squint a lot when he's reading from a teleprompter.

I had this strange thought that he decided to stop flying because of it...


71 posted on 09/16/2004 12:30:52 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Finalapproach29er; Howlin

Saw this comment on Roger Simon's blog:

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Back to the soon to be released newly discovered Bush's National Guard service records. Could it be Lt Col Killian's family found some documents REALLY produced by the Lt Col.

Link...

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 09, 2004 22:45:32 ET XXXXX

Marjorie Connell - widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard - questions whether the documents are real on tonight's NIGHTLINE, sources tell DRUDGE.

(7th snippet of post)
UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE MOVED I PUT THINGS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT THIS MOMENT AND I WAS SEARCHING FOR THEM AND I STILL HAVE NOT FOUND ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS. I DO HAVE ALL OF HIS FLIGHT RECORDS THOUGH AND THEY ARE IN MY HANDS.

It is possible Mrs. Connell found what see was looking for and sent it to the White House.

(8th and 9th snippet of post)
HE DISCUSSED WITH ME HOW PROUD HE WAS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND PIN THE WINGS ON YOUNG GEORGE AND TO MEET THEN MR. BUSH, I'VE FORGOTTEN IF HE WAS WITH THE CIA OR WHAT OFFICE HE HELD AT THAT TIME AND BARBARA BUSH.

HE LEFT THE 147TH, FLEW TO WHEREVER GEORGE GOT HIS WINGS AND JERRY PINNED THEM ON HIM AND HE WAS, CAME HOME JUST, HE TOLD ME ABOUT THAT AND HOW PROUD HE WAS TO HAVE MET THE FAMILY.

Was this trip to AL? Did she have pictures or other proof of the trip?


(Last snippet of post)

HE WOULD JUST WRITE LITTLE NOTES ON THE BACK OF ANYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY AS THE CASE MAY BE, IF HE NEEDED TO JOT SOMETHING DOWN HE WOULD JOT IT ON ANY PAPER THAT HE COULD FIND, ON A CARD, LIKE A CALLING CARD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, OR JUST LITTLE BITS OF PAPER. HE ALWAYS KNEW WHERE EVERYTHING WAS, AND IF HE NEEDED TO PULL IT OUT OF HIS WALLET ON A LITTLE NOTE OR SOMETHING, BUT HE JUST DIDN'T TAKE MANY NOTES.










Did she find the mother load of little notes?


72 posted on 09/16/2004 12:32:37 AM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: texasflower
The forgers tried to set up the situation in the 01 February 72 memo, where they mentioned both Bath and Bush.

(On wizbangblog, Sep 13 - http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003652.php ) 1st forgery letter sets up Bath and Bush.
Document released in recent Administrative order 87 has the name of Bath redacted (blocked out) [1st view image].
Document released in 2000 Administrative order has unredacted version of the record, with Bath’s name visible [2nd view image].

This is how they knew Bath's name, to put in the forgery - (to give it a feel of authenticity).

These show that Bush was suspended.
Suspension in itself in not (necessarily) "bad".
The forgers aren't trying to make the case that Bush was suspended, but that he was suspended "for disobeying a direct order", and the reason he disobeyed (they say) was to avoid a drug test (they say he was a coke-head).

These guys at wizbangblog did some great detective work.

73 posted on 09/16/2004 12:36:54 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Diddley

KFI host John Ziegler is going to play a parody about LYING DAN to the tune of American Pie in **just a few minutes!**

Hope some of you can tune in, either on the radio, at AM 640 or at the live-stream link below!


http://www.kfi640.com/interactive/streaming.html


74 posted on 09/16/2004 12:37:21 AM PDT by Joy Angela (Kerry-Hillary-Bill The Devils Triangle)
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To: ambrose

Something good is coming. LOL

These Kerry dunces don't know how to play poker, yet they want to run our Foriegn policy? NUTS to all of them.


75 posted on 09/16/2004 12:39:59 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: Joy Angela

Oh. I really wish I could hear that, but I'm in Phoenix.

Thanks for the heads up. :)


76 posted on 09/16/2004 12:45:12 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Diddley

It was great! Especially the lyric.. "...the day 60 Minutes died..."

The lyrics are at:

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorial.php?e=168


77 posted on 09/16/2004 12:46:58 AM PDT by Joy Angela (Kerry-Hillary-Bill The Devils Triangle)
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To: Joy Angela
"...the day 60 Minutes died..."

Sounds like a hoot. Sorry I couldn't hear it. :)

78 posted on 09/16/2004 12:48:48 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Diddley

I didn't think that there was any question that he was suspended.

Doesn't the President admit that? Because he didn't take the physical since he wouldn't be able to fly in Alabama anyway?

Who the heck is Bath?


79 posted on 09/16/2004 12:50:12 AM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: texasflower
Who the heck is Bath?

Bath is another pilot who was suspended at the same time that Bush was, for failure to take a physical. But Bath's name was blocked out on the recently released document.

The forgers had an older (unredacted) release of this record with Bath's name visible (they've been working on this for a long time).

By using Bath's name, as well as Bush's, they thought that it would give more legitimacy to the forgery.

:)

80 posted on 09/16/2004 1:08:06 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: LincolnLover

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the White House claimed more than once over the past four years to have released all of these records, only to have new stuff surfacing intermittenly again and again?"

Depends upon what kind of records they are, does it not? Reserve personnel records are in Denver. ARPC searches and releases those. Flight logs, aircraft records are somewhere within DOD. Who knows where or what. Killian's memos and other private files are at the DNC being typed and faxed.

Will be interesting to see . . .


81 posted on 09/16/2004 1:13:01 AM PDT by Racehorse
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To: MJY1288

"I watched the Press Conference and Scott McClellan did not hint any such thing. This White House has done a masterful job of handling the forged document flap."

Please read the paragraph again. Dobbs said nothing about a press conference:

"In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days."


82 posted on 09/16/2004 1:16:25 AM PDT by Racehorse
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To: Diddley

My goodness. Thanks for that information.


84 posted on 09/16/2004 1:34:43 AM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: texasflower

My pleasure.
I'm out, now.
:)


85 posted on 09/16/2004 2:11:40 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: ambrose

Your timelines don't track. When W left for AL, Killian can't "go there to pin his wings on him" b/c this was nearing the END of W's Guard service - not the START.

As to hand notes & flight records the widow has - the notes might somewhere mention W - who knows? - but flight records refer to her late hubby's own records.

As to newly-found W records, I did see where more had been located in obscure PENTAGON FILES, meaning the name GWB wasn't ON THEM, but something related to him was IN THEM.


86 posted on 09/16/2004 6:19:47 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: texasflower; Diddley

Diddley cited a regulation with letters & numbers under which W was "suspended from flying". It seemed like the one from the phony memos which has proven to be a reg. unrelated to flight suspension. So that has to be cleared up.

BTW, I never said it was "bad" that he couldn't keep flying, for whatever reason. Of course not!


87 posted on 09/16/2004 6:31:52 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Racehorse

This is going to be tough for Kerry.


88 posted on 09/16/2004 6:35:01 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: The Bandit

Then Dan Rather will realize that he was used by the DNC and think they knew the truth and got caught setting him up.

This may get even more interesting.....


89 posted on 09/16/2004 6:36:46 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: wardaddy

I don't think so.
They've been on top of this like we have, and will use it to beat CBS around the head and neck.


90 posted on 09/16/2004 6:38:47 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: Nam Vet

??????

91 posted on 09/16/2004 6:49:02 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: MJY1288

If GW "Mondales" Kerry, and we pick up Senate seats and House seats.

Hopefully, the blood letting at the DNC will be brutal and savage.

Maybe we are seeing the end of the Kennedy's and the other vile left wingers who hate America, Conservatives, Christians and GW in control of the DNC.


92 posted on 09/16/2004 6:54:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: txrangerette
BTW, I never said it was "bad" that he couldn't keep flying, for whatever reason. Of course not!

I didn't mean to imply that YOU said that. I was just making a general statement.

Wizbangblog did some great detective work on tracing down how the forger got a reference to Bath in the 01 Februrary 72 forged memo (the forged letter is shown on page 13).
http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003652.php
They discovered an Administrative order that Heldt (sp) had since 2000. (This is the second image on the wizbangblog, Sep 13 page. This record doesn’t have Bath’s name blocked out.)

The recently released Administrative order (first image on that page) has Bath’s name blocked out. Wizbang’s point is that the forger has been on this for some time, not just since the Administrative order was recently released.

They put Bath's name in the forgery to give it a feel of authenticity. See my reply 73.

Wisbang did a great job on this. :)

93 posted on 09/16/2004 8:53:20 AM PDT by Diddley (Hey Kerry: The swiftees are comin' for ya')
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To: Racehorse
Give SeeBS a week and they'll forge new ones... not on Microsoft Word this time... they'll use Quark or Pagemaker. :^}
94 posted on 09/16/2004 9:00:55 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Kill'em... kill'em all!” -'Stonewall' Jackson)
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To: Lancey Howard

You'd be surprised how many decent folks do not have FOX and find listening to the radio odd much less the internet.


95 posted on 09/16/2004 9:42:14 AM PDT by wardaddy
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