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Blogger Challenge: Let's start with Iraq, shall we?
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 9 15 2004 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 09/16/2004 9:41:11 AM PDT by Stallone

The article is quite complimentary to the new media.

It ends with a challenge to help solve world problems that media organizations only whine about.

So, taking up the challenge:

Freepers, in all seriousness, how to we best resolve the Iraq situation.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


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Tell it straight:

Bomb them to oblivion?

Get out fast?

Relocate the UN there?

Leave it alone, they're doing great?

Let's use this thread to consolidate the best ideas for helping to expedite the Iraq situation, and teach old media a few things.

1 posted on 09/16/2004 9:41:24 AM PDT by Stallone
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To: Stallone
Bomb them to oblivion?

In a word: Yes!.
2 posted on 09/16/2004 9:45:22 AM PDT by Thrusher (The timing of this post is suspicious.)
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To: Stallone
Bomb them to oblivion?

In a word: Yes!.
3 posted on 09/16/2004 9:45:27 AM PDT by Thrusher (The timing of this post is suspicious.)
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To: Stallone
First of all, you wait until after the election and then look at the real picture. You get the media to report the truthful story that is believable for better or worse. Ignore the UN. Ignore Albright. Send in Powell and the old guy that worked for Bush Sr who is negotiating the debates and tell them to strart cutting deals. Ignore the crazies and get the sane leaders protected.

Did I leave anything out?

4 posted on 09/16/2004 9:49:06 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dogs for Bush!)
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To: Stallone
I hate it when people get the general idea but can't grasp the SPECIFIC INSTANCE.

She misses the SPECIFIC point made by recent events.

THe internet is no better a "problem-solving" tool than more traditional tools, unless it is an INFORMATION based problem. What distributed processing represents is an exponentially better way to PROCESS INFORMATION.

Journalism, if it is fact based and not just political activism in disguise -- journalism is mainly just information testing and publishing. Document analysis is information.

Many of life's problems are not just information-processing tasks, but also involve supra-information, like politics.

Iraq is a political problem. Iraq is a religious problem. Iraq is a military problem.

The bloggers have dethroned the Old Media. The bloggers cannot "solve" political problems any better than any model already in existence.

5 posted on 09/16/2004 9:51:13 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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You aren't serious are you. We spent thousands of hours talking about the Kosovo/Serbia war as a cover for the Terrorist to move into Europe through the door opened by Bill Clinton. We were called tin-foil haters etc etc. We discussed at length the TWA 800 bombing and were called tin-foil hate types and even Rush ridiculed us. Now that the media has been shown to be the incompetent commie/fascist/socialist/dumb dums we all knew they were..........your suggesting we do What. Make a case for what a great guy Saddamn is, question WMD's which the French so nicely helped Saddamn smuggle to Syrian. What? Be specific.


6 posted on 09/16/2004 9:51:14 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Taliesan
THe internet is no better a "problem-solving" tool than more traditional tools, unless it is an INFORMATION based problem. What distributed processing represents is an exponentially better way to PROCESS INFORMATION.

Well stated. You saved me from making the same point.

7 posted on 09/16/2004 9:55:19 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Stallone

The following has some relevance to the discussion:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217886/posts


8 posted on 09/16/2004 9:58:18 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Stallone

Here's my two cents:

The Arab mind, through a combination of religious training and culture, respects only power and desires to follow. It simply cannot lead.

The Arab mind is not comfortable, nor is it competent, in being self-directing.

The terrorists are masters at exploiting this vulnerability, seen only in the west with left-leaning Socialists.

The coalition must seize the initiative.

Since the religious leaders hold such sway over the Arabs, it is past time that the coalition find and promote religious leaders to finally start declaring loudly and publicly that resistance is futile and that terrorism is wrong.

Remember: The most likely form of 'democracy' that can ever take hold within the next century will be one guided by a Giuliani, an iron-fisted maverick who first necessarily demonstrates control and earns the respect of the Arabs.


9 posted on 09/16/2004 9:59:44 AM PDT by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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Re locate the UN to Iraq...of course, at the expense of the Iraqis. Then, saturate the airways, media, etc., with sitcoms, ads for feminine hygiene products, Lavern and Shirley re-runs...and after they have had enough of that and the 'Kofi show'...we'll see if they have the 'right' perspective.
10 posted on 09/16/2004 10:00:09 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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To: Stallone
Great article, forward looking.

As to Iraq, my guess is things are going much better there than CBS is portraying.

11 posted on 09/16/2004 10:01:12 AM PDT by JPJones ("We'll cross all our tee's and dot all our.....lower case j's")
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To: Taliesan
The bloggers have dethroned the Old Media. The bloggers cannot "solve" political problems any better than any model already in existence.

Plus assist in muddling situations further.

12 posted on 09/16/2004 10:06:51 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: marty60

Information-based problems are often a snap.

Geo-political ones require a different level of thinking.

But in watching even this very worthy administration, we have all witnessed seriously incoherent strategies.

Remember the earliest bifurcations on the issue of Palestinian terrorism shortly after 9/11, i.e. still not justifying Israeli pre-emptive action in the opinion of America (Powell!).

The ridiculous Al-Sadr strategic truces we honored whenever we cornered him, parroting the Arab historical precedence with similar consequences.

I really think we can add a LOT to even geo-political discussions.

Don't be shy - speak out!


13 posted on 09/16/2004 10:08:03 AM PDT by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone

We have been at that one for a long time. Simply point out all the information FR has provided on Iraq and you will see what the MSM has not covered.

For original content, any FReeper that knows a soldier that has come back from Iraq should get a first hand account from them. Many have stories of all the good the U.S. is doing and that they have been involved with directly.


14 posted on 09/16/2004 10:11:16 AM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: Stallone
The best way to resolve Iraq is to take the gloves off so that there is no where to hide in Iraq for insurgents. If the next time a group of insurgents hold up in a mosque it is turned to dust within 24 hours the insurgents will know they no longer have sanctuary anywhere in Iraq.

Having said that the left has tied the hands of our military once again and the politicians even Bush have acquiesced to a certain degree prolonging the war and getting more of our young people killed then need be. Did we learn nothing from Vietnam?

The solution to this is to help Iraq hire some of the mercenary organizations available to handle the insurgents. These organizations are highly professional and skilled and will clean up Iraq with less manpower and resources and faster then we can because they are not as easily influenced by politics etc. We all know the private sector is always more efficient then government otherwise they can't stay in business.

They do scare governments because government fears loosing it's power but they have a proven track record. A group called Executive Outcome went in to Sierra Leone with just 300 men against tens of thousands in the rebel army and stopped the genocide and entire war bringing peace and order to the region until the UN had a fit a private army was involved in a state conflict. Well the UN influenced the government to terminate EO's contract and sent in 17,000 troops to keep the peace however it soon degraded right back to slaughter and genocide because UN troops could not handle the rebels and hundreds of thousands were murdered since the rebels were smarting for getting their asses handed to them by 300 highly skilled and trained men. Remember the news reports of atrocities in Sierra Leone?

The history channel did a story on mercs a while back that was pretty good called Soldiers for Hire. You can still buy the video at their website I believe.

There are already quite a bit of mercs as they are called in Iraq mostly hired by the US. But I think a group Like EO could really do wonders for Iraq and get our boys out of there quicker.
15 posted on 09/16/2004 10:21:13 AM PDT by hawkiye
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To: Stallone

I say we table the issue of Iraq until Iran and Syria have been dealt with.


16 posted on 09/16/2004 10:21:21 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: hawkiye

Excellent!


17 posted on 09/16/2004 10:22:20 AM PDT by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: thoughtomator

There is no doubt that the Socialists 'round the world have somewhat tied America's hands on further pre-emptive action.

No doubt it was their intent from the outset, and in the biased on-going reportage.

The political costs for proceeding in this environment would be enormous.

Yet, many of us know that it must be done.

Perhaps the real lesson is to first destroy old media which does so much to undermine American success and progress.

RatherGate could be just the opportunity to make an example of the costs of helping to incite world hatred against America.


18 posted on 09/16/2004 10:27:50 AM PDT by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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To: Stallone

The first thing need to be done is for Bush to all out France by name, which is refusing to provide Nato Troops to train the Itraqi Force. After that, they also need to point out that France is stonewalling the Sudan, and attempts to block the USA from taking actions - again, because it has 'Oil Interests' in that country, as it had in Iraq. The troublemakers should be eliminated first, before re-focus can occur.


19 posted on 09/16/2004 10:30:57 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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Something everybody should know also: France is providing currently weapons to the insurgents, which kill our soldiers.


20 posted on 09/16/2004 10:31:50 AM PDT by Inge C (,)
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