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In Rush to Air, CBS Quashed Memo Worries
Washington Post ^ | 09/20/2004 | Howard Kurtz, Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/18/2004 7:27:43 PM PDT by jhouston

In the early-morning hours of Sept. 8, Dan Rather was preparing to fly to Washington for a crucial interview in the Old Executive Office Building, but torrential rain kept him in New York.

White House communications director Dan Bartlett had agreed to talk to "60 Minutes," but only on condition that the CBS program provide copies of what were being billed as newly unearthed memos indicating that President Bush had received preferential treatment in the National Guard. The papers were hand-delivered at 7:45 a.m. CBS correspondent John Roberts, filling in for Rather, sat down with Bartlett at 11:15.

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KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; kurtz; michaeldobbs; napalminthemorning; rather; tang
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To: jhouston

CBS News: Rush to Mis-Judgment


101 posted on 09/18/2004 8:49:19 PM PDT by reg45
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Nervous breakdown is a non-medical term but is used as a polite way of saying Burkett was hospitalized twice in the last 6 years for depression.


102 posted on 09/18/2004 8:52:05 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Have you forgotten?)
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To: Howlin

August 21, and Cleland came to Texas August 24.


103 posted on 09/18/2004 8:54:01 PM PDT by hobson
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To: t2buckeye
"[These journalists] are so surprised that people are focusing on the forgeries and not the story."

I don't beleive they are surprised. It is an intentional ploy to deflect accusations onto Bush and away from themselves. It's the most disgusting part of the whole fiasco...the way they PRETEND that they don't get it.

THEY GET IT.

104 posted on 09/18/2004 8:54:02 PM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: Howlin

"Mid August"
I believe it may have been when he was in Texas with the political theatre bit.
Got a date on that farce?

Also, anyone have a source that says Barnes was convinced to come forward due to the discovery of these documents..?
I remember this vividly, but I don't remember which story or stories it was mentioned it.


105 posted on 09/18/2004 8:54:10 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

'We're collectively better at most everything than the WH staff.'

Bush-wah, the WH staff played this to a TEE. "whaaa the hell?"..."who, me?"....."whatever..."

absolutely 5 steps ahead of CBS et al.


106 posted on 09/18/2004 8:55:20 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: hobson

Great diagram - needs more global exposure - maybe Drudge would consider posting it???


107 posted on 09/18/2004 8:56:23 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: jhouston
Does anyone else think that this is a pretty poor excuse for investigative journalists to put out.

I didn't see anything original in the entire story. When they mentioned that Barnes/Rather had known each other for 30 years, they conveniently left out that it was not mentioned during the 60 Minutes interview. Didn't identify Matley as the uncertified document examiner.

Shoddy, shoddy. Hang your head, Howie and Mikey!
108 posted on 09/18/2004 8:57:39 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: kristinn

One other thing: No mention of Van Os.


109 posted on 09/18/2004 8:58:01 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: js1138
But we did not verify this singlehandedly, of our own knowledge. It was done collectively, though a database consisting of the experience of many lives, a wealth of knowledge not then available to Bartlett.
110 posted on 09/18/2004 8:58:37 PM PDT by Fatuncle (Do you suppose the Dixie Chicks will admit that they are ashamed of Dan Rather being from Texas?)
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To: VRWCTexan

Thanks! It's probably too big but I will send it to him.


111 posted on 09/18/2004 9:01:43 PM PDT by hobson
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To: counterpunch

you are SO right. WaPo says Barnes was first out of the box, before the docs.

CBS says docs first, then Barnes.

Confusion generated because, like sKerry's stories, they can never remember the LIES correctly...and THAT is what is BRNGING THEM DOWN.

Forward this info to Hewitt, Rush and Hannity.

and to the NY POST and the WaTimes.


112 posted on 09/18/2004 9:02:06 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: jhouston

***Rather and CBS now blame the White House. If the White House had just called them liars and forgers they would have never...***

Ah HAH! Now the story is out. CBS kept saying that the White House had no problem with the memos' authenticity, making it sound as though the White House had plenty of time to examine them. They also said that they GOT the memos from the White House. Now we know that they didn't.


113 posted on 09/18/2004 9:02:16 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: counterpunch

You are right.

Here is a plausible scenario:

After Burkett connected with the Kerry campaign i.e. Senator Cleland, discussions among the staff led to some ideas including using them in their own ads. But they were worried about their integrity, probably endorsed by Ben Barnes as he was in the area to look at them. After Barnes confirmed to the Kerry campaign that the documents did exist and appear authentic the Kerry camp wanted an even higher standard of confirmation. Since contact with Cleland had been established and probable discussions with Senator Kerry, Kerry sent Cleland to look at the documents ---the stunt at the Bush ranch was simply a ruse to disguise what he was really doing, and he confirmed that from his military knowledge the documents were authentic.

The Kerry campaign contacted CBS after the decision was made that this would be more advantagous as a news event rather than a campaign ad and the additional vetting would confirm the story. It was probable that connections to CBS were active if not even "friendly" knowing that Dan Rather was looking for more info on a "supposed" story he had been working on for years.

The Kerry campaign led CBS to Burkett and Barnes and the unimpeachable source for the documents was not Burkett but Senator Cleland who provided CBS with the leads and personal assurance the documents were authentic.

This is why Rather is hiding. If the ultimate source of his information is the Kerry campaign he has a host of problems to deal with. He is not protecting Burkett. He is particularly protecting Senator Cleland.


Possible.


114 posted on 09/18/2004 9:04:36 PM PDT by Mad Dog Charlie
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To: jhouston
Roberts: How am I supposed to verify something that came from a dead man in three hours?

WE don't know. But we do know the result of not doing so. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

115 posted on 09/18/2004 9:06:51 PM PDT by Diddley (C'mon Dan; 'fess up.)
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To: counterpunch
Barnes had direct contact with someone in the chain of custody PRIOR TO CBS.

I agree with that, and I personnaly think the DNC or Kerry campaign had the documents before CBS saw them. The American Spectator's "Anatomy of a Forgery" has the forgeries in DNC / Kerry campaign hands weeks before CBS saw them.

The only nit I was picking with your previous secenario was Barnes getting the forgeries DIRECTLY FROM the forger. Maybe, maybe not, was the only difference I took.

116 posted on 09/18/2004 9:07:39 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Brandon

'They complain that they can't afford to do in-depth investigative journalism, '

no, I think that was the WH guy, Bartlett, who said that:

" But Bartlett said CBS never asked him to verify the memos and that he had neither the time nor the resources to do so."


117 posted on 09/18/2004 9:08:33 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Fatuncle

The list of people who could have vouched for these documents grows shorter every day. Right now there is not a single living person who knew Killian and Bush at the time who has not denied the validity of these documents.

That leaves a rather large question gaping -- who the heck could have vouched for them? Other than Burkett?

CBS did not get suckered. They walked into this with eyes wide shut.


118 posted on 09/18/2004 9:10:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Howlin; counterpunch; Cboldt
On August 21, Burkett circulated an e-mail claiming he had been "in touch with Max Cleland".

On August 25, he posted the message that "we have reassembled [Bush's] files".

Barnes contacted Rather "during the Republican convention" (Aug 30-Sept 2).

On September 2, the documents were faxed from Kinko's.

Mapes contacted CBS on September 3.

119 posted on 09/18/2004 9:10:35 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: jhouston

I have read this story before.

It was called "Moby Dick."

The Dan Rather character was called Ahab and the Bush family was called "the great white whale."

I seem to remember Ahab came to a bad end.


120 posted on 09/18/2004 9:10:42 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Howlin

That was exactly my thought. In fact, I can't believe that CBS fell for it....LOL


121 posted on 09/18/2004 9:11:02 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org)
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To: fightinJAG

These people (Including Burkett and Rather) have such a long-standing, unhealthy, psychotic hatred of Bush (and conservatives) that they have literally driven themselves crazy, IMO.


122 posted on 09/18/2004 9:12:11 PM PDT by Diddley (C'mon Dan; 'fess up.)
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To: hobson
August 21, and Cleland came to Texas August 24.

Burkett circulated an e-mail on August 21, saying he had been in touch with Cleland. The phone might have taken place on August 21...or sometime earlier.

123 posted on 09/18/2004 9:13:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: UNGN

Dan Bartlett played this perfectly. My hat is off to him.


124 posted on 09/18/2004 9:14:20 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: okie01
On August 25, he posted the message that "we have reassembled [Bush's] files".

$64.00 question who is the "we" besides Burkett = Mapes, Kerry campaign??

125 posted on 09/18/2004 9:14:29 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: bayourod
You're right on the news value. And, consider that Texas was such a Republican dominated state in 1968 that favors were essential. Now the question is why in heck would a Democrat in a Democrat controlled state put such energy (and remembrance) in helping out kid of a Republican Congressman? Something about Barnes is as phoney as his stock swindle.
126 posted on 09/18/2004 9:16:00 PM PDT by plangent
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To: VRWCTexan
$64.00 question who is the "we" besides Burkett = Mapes, Kerry campaign??

Ben Barnes?

127 posted on 09/18/2004 9:17:01 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: okie01

You are correct. I should have been more clear.


128 posted on 09/18/2004 9:18:38 PM PDT by hobson
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To: okie01

for info on Sharpstown Scandal, see
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210174/posts


129 posted on 09/18/2004 9:20:05 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Inyokern
My money is on Mapes - Barnes comes out and says he's ready to talk - then just two days later (after 4+ years of searching by CBS) the written "proof" suddenly shows up on Mapes door-step - NOT LIKELY!!!!

WE may never know for certain, but I have to believe that Burkett had some "help" in compiling these fakes.

130 posted on 09/18/2004 9:21:36 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Enchante

see this good graphic for comparison of docs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/guard_091404.html


131 posted on 09/18/2004 9:21:37 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Jim Robinson
I believe FReepers have observed that the latest Bush-bashing ad series ("Favored Son"?) parrots the CBS story line. Could it be that Rather was in a rush to get this story out to bolster the forthcoming DNC/MoveOn ad campaign?

Of course, it may have simply been that Rather childishly couldn't wait to get his "Big Gotcha!" on the Bushes...

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But you have to admire Bush and the white house guys. Makes you wonder if Bush hasn't fished for catfish: "When you feel ol' Whiskers nibble on the bait, release the reel so there's no drag on the line -- and let him run with it. There's plenty of time to set the hook after he swallows the bait!" ;-}

132 posted on 09/18/2004 9:22:51 PM PDT by TXnMA (FR is "all growed up"! Messin' with this kid now is just askin' for an @$$-kickin'!!!)
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To: hobson

wow! nice visual. did you make that? The perfect picture of inscestual depravity! One question, it says on there that David Van Os (Burkett's lawyer) campaigned with Max Cleland? Do you have sources for that? That could be a key part of the puzzle.


133 posted on 09/18/2004 9:25:52 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/welfare.htm)
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To: bitt
CBS says docs first, then Barnes.

Well really, as I remember it, it was Barnes who said docs first them him, and cited the docs as the reason he decided to finally tell the world the "truth" after all these years.

This was a huge step for him, if you believe he is sincere. He was freed at last when he saw these memos. He no longer had to live the lie!

No memos, no Barnes coming forward. Therefore, he saw then before Mapes or Rather did, but only by a couple days.

That is one extraordinary coincidence if it wasn't coordinated, or as has been suggested, part of a package.

Perhaps Barnes called Dan Rather and said, "I've got documents, and I want to do an interview." Then Dan says: "Ok, fax me the documents so we can "authenticate".

Where is Barnes from..? does he live within a 125 mile radius of that Abilene Kinkos..?
Who says it had to be Burkett that faxed the memos..?
It sounds like he physically handed off the documents, and then was left in the dark, at least up until the time of that email he sent out.

His participation may have ended at the hand-off to the Kerry campaign, and Barnes ran with it from there.
Barnes would make a lot more sense as the "unimpeachable source."

I bet 'ol Dan never even knew it actually came from that Burkett nutjob!
Hahaha! He was duped by Kerry's campaign!
No wonder he was so adamant that it was real.
And no wonder he has so stubbornly protected his sources.
134 posted on 09/18/2004 9:27:42 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: jhouston
The 4th document examiner James J. Pierce is not happy with CBS. c.f. link...


in http://politicalities.typepad.com/ September 15, 2004 entry...
from link...

Pierce is quoted as still reviewing the documents on 9/16, more than one week after the airing. Was Peirce even consulted for his opinion prior to the airing, opposite to what CBS maintains?
135 posted on 09/18/2004 9:27:50 PM PDT by igoramus987
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To: dennisw
"It's nice to an out of control commie scoundrel like Mary Mapes get her come uppance. Hopefully she'll get the boot."

This article targets her very directly. They make several efforts to point out her mistakes (gathering the doc, verifying the doc, ignoring her experts, telling Heyman and the lawyers it was OK at the last minute. They've pinned this on her and I'm beginning to think Dan may survive but she is finished.

136 posted on 09/18/2004 9:28:33 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: traviskicks
What is left of the story? What are the allegations? This CBS story is the shoddiest piece of journalism I have EVER SEEN. I cannot believe it. If I was the CEO of a company that were this incompetent I would fire the lot.

Agreed. It's going to happen. But not in "the heat of the moment". Rather and the rest of these clowns are already fired. They just don't know it yet.

137 posted on 09/18/2004 9:28:33 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS's story is sinking faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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To: Mo1
On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents

That's funny .. wasn't it reported they had the documents for 6 weeks??

Actually, that makes sense. Somebody "primed" Mapes by telling her they had documents. That somebody is inside the Democrat party, maybe DNC, maybe Kerry campaign, maybe Barnes, on orders from DNC or Kerry campaign. Then, after she has been "primed," the source provides the documents on September 3.

138 posted on 09/18/2004 9:30:24 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: plangent

Barnes is as big a cad as Kerry. In 1971 he was dating the UT homecoming queen. He dumped her to marry a rich older widow with three kids and run for Governor.


139 posted on 09/18/2004 9:31:11 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: hobson

And this chart will make it on the front page of the New York Times.............
yeah, right


140 posted on 09/18/2004 9:31:48 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: counterpunch
Your scenario doesn't make sense given Barnes had already created a video in May that contained the same info he told Rather on 60 Minutes. 60 Minutes needed the documents to add more drama along with Barnes' dramatic confession. Now, was there a plan hatched way back in the spring? Perhaps.

www.austin4kerry.org

For the record, the footage for these clips was shot this past May. We conducted a sit-down interview on Tuesday, May 25th, and then, almost as an afterthought, we taped his speech at our MeetUp on Thursday May 27th. The clips were edited together over the following month and posted on the morning of Friday, June 25th. They've been online ever since


141 posted on 09/18/2004 9:32:30 PM PDT by hobson
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To: counterpunch

LOL That was good.


142 posted on 09/18/2004 9:32:45 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: All

I was right somewhat.....

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/007890.php


143 posted on 09/18/2004 9:33:37 PM PDT by Mad Dog Charlie
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To: KingKongCobra

Mary Mapes is behind this fevered rush job to bring this to television. She's the producer of this segment looking for a big notch on her belt. She had a lot more to gain from it's success than Dan Rather. Mapes is working her way up the CBS food chain.


144 posted on 09/18/2004 9:33:59 PM PDT by dennisw (There)
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To: okie01
Barnes contacted Rather "during the Republican convention" (Aug 30-Sept 2).

They said something like "in the middle of the Republican convention" so it's almost certainly either Aug 31 or Sept 1.

Sept 1st is my guess.
Why..?
Because, wasn't that Zell's night...?
Didn't Kerry try to claim that Cheney called him "unfit for office" (same think Knox later said of Bush)..?

I think it was that night that was the breaking point.
I think it was after Zell and Dick that Kerry's campaign decided to go nuclear and contact Rather. "That's it! We've had enough! We're GONG TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!" Isn't that what Kerry's campaign suddenly promised right around that time..?

Their moves were all so obvious.
145 posted on 09/18/2004 9:34:25 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Biblebelter
Exactly, the media can apologize for the document not being properly examined.

If you read the article, you see that they can't even do that. Most, nay, ALL of CBS's authentication experts said the documents had serious problems.

TIn-foil hat time, but maybe this is the journalistic equivalent of a suicide bombing. Rather and CBS blow up, taking the Kerry campaign with them. I still can't figure out any possible way that can help the DNC, or to further DEM/socialist agenda, so I guess I need to take my tinfoil in for a tightening.

146 posted on 09/18/2004 9:34:31 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: counterpunch
Where is Barnes from..? does he live within a 125 mile radius of that Abilene Kinkos..?
Who says it had to be Burkett that faxed the memos..?

Barnes is based in Austin, about 300 miles from Abilene. There's no reason to believe he is the faxer.

Previously, I suspected that Mapes was probably the one who faxed the documents from Kinko's back to CBS, having picked up the hard copies from Burkett at his home in Baird. But it now appears that Burkett was faxing them to her.

147 posted on 09/18/2004 9:35:57 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: kitkat
They also said that they GOT the memos from the White House. Now we know that they didn't.

Actually, we've known all along that the trail went CBS -> WH -> CBS and others. CBS used the deceptive term "released" on pupose, to lend a patina of authenticity of origin that just flat out wasn't there.

148 posted on 09/18/2004 9:36:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: t2buckeye

Only when pigs fly.


149 posted on 09/18/2004 9:36:58 PM PDT by hobson
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To: 68skylark
It's all Bush's fault!!

Reminds me of Clinton after he was caught lying about illegal campaign contributions: "It's the Republicans' fault! Make them stop, so I can stop! Waaaaaaaahhhhh!"

150 posted on 09/18/2004 9:38:18 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (CBS's story is sinking faster than Uncle Ted's Oldsmobile.)
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