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CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
New York Times ^ | 9/20/04 | Jim Rutenberg

Posted on 09/19/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker

After days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

Those officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins, and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

But these people cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials were meeting last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it has collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision.

People at the network said it was now possible that officials would open a formal internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report, which officials now say they are beginning to believe was too flawed to have gone on the air.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed came from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they were misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos came from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night whether Mr. Burkett told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents had said they were obtained anonymously and through the mail.

During an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said that the producer had been in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had only vouched for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures were cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network went wrong, officials at CBS News were turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents that had been presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said that they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''


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To: plushaye
If Burkett has to face felony charges, I wonder if he'll go down quietly or start singing about his DNC/Kerry contacts?

The guy is already bitter about his lot in life (his illness, benefits denied, and now he's mired in this controversy) that I doubt he'll stand for the further indignity of being a fall guy. He'll spill the beans--that is, if something doesn't happen to him first.

251 posted on 09/19/2004 10:50:17 PM PDT by gop_gene
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To: Ken H
"One of the interesting things about a changing economy is that our workers are more productive than ever before. That means instead of using a hoe, you use a backhoe. Or instead of using, you know, a regular old standard typewriter, you use a computer. In other words, that's an example of becoming more productive."

LOL. Home run!

252 posted on 09/19/2004 10:51:11 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: ModelBreaker

I agree, but I think it's too much to hope for that CBS will give up anyone in the Kerry campaign. They'll say they got them directly from Burkett, dealt with Burkett, etc. IF the Kerry people have any sense at all they didn't provide any physical evidence directly to CBS, they probably just helped CBS to get together with Burkett and told CBS that Burkett could be trusted (yeah, right).

I think both Rather/Mapes and Burket/Van Os will go to their graves before they give up Cleland or anyone in the Kerry camp. Unfortunately, I expect the best we can hope for is a major shake-up within CBS and a prosecution of Burkett, but Rather and his pals in CBS will fight to make Mapes the only scapegoat there..... I say fire everyone who touched this story and prosecute Burkett to the limit!


253 posted on 09/19/2004 10:51:26 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: Ken H

That's too much. What a zinger


254 posted on 09/19/2004 10:51:45 PM PDT by Cosmo (Dan Rather is F@$#$ed : F@#$@ed like a horned toad under a moonlit Texas sky.)
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To: Newton

WAIT A MINUTE! I'VE BROKEN THE CASE!!! I GET IT!!!! Capt'n Dan channeled Col Killian, and had Bill Burkett type 'em and fax 'em to make it look convincing.....yeah ...that's it!




Well, sorta. Actually, if they were gonna channel dead people...the would get John Edwards.


255 posted on 09/19/2004 10:52:01 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: Ken H
Dang it. I forgot the thing about beer through the nose again. Ow.

That is very, very funny...

256 posted on 09/19/2004 10:52:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LibWhacker
... signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Is that the first time (not genuine) that they are admitting the memos are fake, or did I miss it?

257 posted on 09/19/2004 10:52:59 PM PDT by Diddley (Buckhead is a pioneer. Pioneers get the arrows.)
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To: fish hawk

CBS owes the President an apology for sure

and the partisan pajamahadeen...


258 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: KingKongCobra

It must really suck to be a delusional DUmmy. The diabolically eeevil Karl Rove must give them feverish nightmares.


259 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:23 PM PDT by AF68
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To: woofie

Don't forget Kinko's, folks. The oh-so-important memos were faxed from a freakin' Kinko's, later to be trotted out on 60 Minutes 2 as "news."


260 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:42 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: LibWhacker; Travis McGee; Squantos; sneakypete; Chapita

"What are the bugles blowin' for?" said Files-on-Parade.
"To turn you out, to turn you out", the Colour-Sergeant said.
"What makes you look so white, so white?" said Files-on-Parade.
"I'm dreadin' what I've got to watch", the Colour-Sergeant said.
For they're hangin' Danny Rather, you can hear the Dead March play,
The Regiment's in 'ollow square -- they're hangin' him to-day;
They've taken of his buttons off an' cut his stripes away,
An' they're hangin' Danny Rather in the mornin'.


261 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:48 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Enchante

Don't be too sure about Burkett holding info back after they burn him, he's a well documented, A-1, whack job who holds a big grudge. So in that regard we still got hope.


262 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:26 PM PDT by Stonedog (Mr. Blather... tear down this STONEWALL!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Dan's going to "break" the forgery story!!!


WELCOME TO THE PARTY PAL!!!


263 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:27 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with the Oil for Food program, let's let them run the whole country!)
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To: LibWhacker

The NYTimes. Now Rather/CBS. The big lib wall is made of rotting paper mache.


264 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:27 PM PDT by HTuttle
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To: razorback-bert

And that's the way it was...


265 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Spanaway Lori
Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

Remember the graphic Rather sat in front of for his stonewall statement?

produced by
Mary Mapes

was prominently above his head.

Now some have thought this was a signal that she was to blame and she would have to go as scapegoat.

But I wonder about something else.

Mary knows where a lot of DNC bodies are buried. Was this a signal that if Rather and Mapes were not vigorously defended by the rest of the media that the Democrats and the liberal cause would pay?

My husband thinks Abu Ghraib was a set-up, that soldiers were persuaded or paid to get them incrimating photos for a big Bush attack story.

Wonder what other bodies Mary Mapes knows about.

266 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:40 PM PDT by patriciaruth (Proud member of this bastion of right wing lunacy)
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To: patriciaruth
From what I've read it may be that Burkett has brain damage and mental illness as a result of an attack of meningitis in 1998.

The perfect foil. I guarantee you, his DNC-appointed lawyer is NOT working for HIM.
Burkett is about to be fed to the wolves.

267 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Spanaway Lori

Awwwwww and she did such great work tearing down our miliary over the Abu Graib abuses. I mean, that was great liberal-media, classic spin-n-bias ... pity she let herself get caught trying to smear President Bush.


268 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:18 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Courage


269 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:36 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Spanaway Lori
Ah, but you see, if the Feds go after little Mary for committing a felony, then the press can claim the Bush admin is only doing it for "revenge" because of her no doubt "unimpeachable" reporting of the Abu Ghraib flap and not because of the felony.

Then they can dredge up Abu Ghraib again. (Not that it'll help them.)

270 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:59 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: JoJo Gunn

I just hope they don't destroy the 'out-takes.' The complete 'interview' may have to be subpoenaed at some point.


271 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:02 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: PhilDragoo

good graphic


272 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:04 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Howlin; Buckhead

Ahem...

:-)


273 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:36 PM PDT by Tamzee (Ted Koppel --- "....the media will need a stepstool to rise to the level of used car salesmen.")
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To: rolling_stone

Hey, we've beat their arses so bad, we might as well take their catchlines...


274 posted on 09/19/2004 10:57:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: section9

*I* am BuckHead.


275 posted on 09/19/2004 10:57:10 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: AF68

Oh, Rove is a god to the DUmmies. He's everywhere and omnipotent. He sees all and is control of every thing that happens. You would not believe their tiny minds.


276 posted on 09/19/2004 10:58:09 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: LibWhacker
In examining where the network went wrong, officials at CBS News were turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

Meet the fall girl. She's probably as venomously anti-conservative as anyone else, but I'd bet everything I own that it was Dan Rather who led the charge to take this story to air. They're gonna protect the old fossil and trash her as the one responsible.

MM

277 posted on 09/19/2004 10:58:45 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: kellynla

My read is that Rather and Mapes have lost control of this matter at CBS. Network (the $$ folks) are stepping in to cut their losses and salvage what they can. Ms. Mapes will get her 'golden parachute" for "decades of flawless reporting" and announce she wants to spend more time reconciling with her dad in Seattle. Rather will limp on as a very discredited newsreader until after the election. The public will laugh about "forgeries" everywhere, and that's positive for GW. What remains to be seen if any tie to the DNC and the Kerry campaign will be dug up. That's Pulitizer material.


278 posted on 09/19/2004 10:59:04 PM PDT by Swampmarine
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To: All

Pajama Party!

another shot a President Bush's Records
( I guess no rats have ever been in the military and tried to type with govt typewriters on govt forms!)


http://www.rawstory.com/


279 posted on 09/19/2004 10:59:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Enterprise
"Don't listen to 'em captain Dan. That great white whale is right there in front of you. Throw the harpoon now captain Dan, throw it"

Ooops! Missed!

280 posted on 09/19/2004 11:00:49 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: Travis McGee; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; Howlin; Nick Danger
"Sounds like they're getting ready to throw Rather off the train."

Well, notice that Ms. Mapes *didn't* accompany Dan Rathers out to Texas yesterday to interview Burkett. They sent Ms. West, instead.

So clearly they have pulled Mapes already, which means that *she* is toast no matter how everything else plays out.

But this brings up Mapes' scandal from 5 years ago.

Back in 1999, Ms. Mapes defied a federal judge (you try that one) by refusing to release the interviews tapes (plural) of the 3 men (among others) convicted and sentenced to death for the dragging death of a Black man in Texas while GWB was Governor there. CBS "negotiated" that only the transcripts, written up by CBS, be given to the judge (you try that one), and the judge then spared her from prison for contempt.

That whole "dragging death" was played up politically when it had no political meaning...and yet there was Ms. Mapes ready to go to jail rather than release those interview tapes.

Why was such a radical feminist like Ms. Mapes prepared to go to jail until the 2000 election was over, rather than release those tapes?

They still haven't been released. What the heck is *in* or on those tapes?!

...And in light of "The Wall Within" and the current Mapes/Rather forgery scandal, shouldn't *someone* be asking for those tapes now?!

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again For All Americans!

281 posted on 09/19/2004 11:02:34 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: razorback-bert
LOL............Too Cool !

Stay Safe.......Y

282 posted on 09/19/2004 11:02:48 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Stonedog

True, true, and he does have a strong streak of paranoia, so he could come to see a lot of his liberal friends as part of "the enemy" if they throw him to the wolves.

Still, even if he goes nuclear I think he'd concentrate on hurting CBS and not on hurting Kerry.... but who knows, he certainly is a loose cannon.


283 posted on 09/19/2004 11:02:50 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: nonkultur

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents. Within hours, Mapes began calling around to find independent analysts who could examine the handful of memos said to have been written by Killian. She found one in Dallas, who helped put her in touch with three others.

The next stop was Texas. Rather was in Florida, so CBS chartered a plane to get him to Austin. On Sunday, Sept. 5, he and Mapes interviewed Robert Strong, an administrative assistant in the Texas Guard during Bush's service there. Strong told them the memos were compatible with what he knew of Killian but did not claim to have seen them before. "I cannot recall that Jerry Killian talked about Bush, and am not sure he would have discussed it with me," Strong recently told The Washington Post.

SNIP

Rather said he grew more confident when Mapes began speaking with retired Col. Bobby W. Hodges, Killian's superior in the Guard. Hodges said Killian felt that Bush had been treated too leniently in those days. That was important, in Rather's view, because Hodges remained a staunch supporter of the president. But Hodges later said that he felt "misled" by CBS, that the memos were read to him over the phone and that he believes from discrepancies in the military abbreviations that they are forgeries.

SNIP

After the show, one colleague asked an elated Rather whether he was sure the documents were real. "I have never been more confident of a story in my life," he said.

SNIP

Asked at the time whether there was at least a slight chance that the documents were bogus, Heyward said: "I see no percentage of possibility."

SNIP

CBS executives declined to address news accounts that pinpoint Burkett as the confidential source for the documents but say they weighed the fact that anyone turning over the material would not be a fan of the president. Burkett would not comment on whether he supplied the documents but said by e-mail to The Post that he would "encourage everyone to not cast too many doubts prematurely" on the "60 Minutes" broadcast.

SNIP

Rather said that if the memos were indeed faked, "I'd like to break that story." But whatever the verdict on the memos, he said, critics "can't deny the story."

SNIP

As the days begin to blur for Josh Howard, he embraces the same logic: "So much of this debate has focused on the documents, and no one has really challenged the story. It's been frustrating to us to see all this reduced to a debate over little 'th's."

******

IDIOTS!!!


284 posted on 09/19/2004 11:05:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LibWhacker
People at the network said it was now possible that officials would open a formal internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report, which officials now say they are beginning to believe was too flawed to have gone on the air

possible??? beginning to believe??? Incredible!! all SeeBS has is a 86 year old pool secretary claiming she remembers something 30 years ago!! gee whiz, maybe their phony investigation will be completed by the time the election is over, meanwhile they haven't officialy retracted the bogus story.

SeeBS apologize now!!!

285 posted on 09/19/2004 11:09:17 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit
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To: kcvl
IDIOTS!!!

I tend more towards 'EVIL'

286 posted on 09/19/2004 11:10:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: LibWhacker

"Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings"

This should be under a barf alert!

Rather and others at the network have the audacity to think they knew Mr. Killian's feelings better than his own wife and family ????

This is just going too far! Anyone with an ounce of reasoning should use every tool they have to not only run Rather out of the news business, but make certain he and the others at the network are tarred and feathered first!

This remark just makes me sick! What a bunch of losers! CBS no longer exists in my life and NEVER will again!


287 posted on 09/19/2004 11:10:23 PM PDT by Proud Conservative2 (Someone please take out the trash!)
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To: Ken H
. Or instead of using, you know, a regular old standard typewriter, you use a computer

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

I just love Dubya! He speaks in cryptograms to signal us he's in touch while he "aw shucks" his competition into thinking he's too stupid to tie his own shoes let alone lead a deadly campaign against them.

And his sly skewers just crack us up.

Luvya Dubya!

288 posted on 09/19/2004 11:10:51 PM PDT by patriciaruth (Proud member of this bastion of right wing lunacy)
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To: kcvl

I was redirected from a double posted thread, to find over 200 posts. All I wanted to say was I hope to see an empty anchor chair and a sign on his desk, "Dan has left the building."


289 posted on 09/19/2004 11:10:53 PM PDT by endthematrix (Where is that number for FReeper addiction?)
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To: Swampmarine
My read is that Rather and Mapes have lost control of this matter at CBS. Network (the $$ folks) are stepping in to cut their losses and salvage what they can. Ms. Mapes will get her 'golden parachute" for "decades of flawless reporting" and announce she wants to spend more time reconciling with her dad in Seattle. Rather will limp on as a very discredited newsreader until after the election. The public will laugh about "forgeries" everywhere, and that's positive for GW. What remains to be seen if any tie to the DNC and the Kerry campaign will be dug up. That's Pulitizer material.

It is essential that Rather go soon, in the next three weeks. In no way should he be allowed to stay and influence the election. I'm going to write the local station for the heads of Rather, Mapes, and the Pres of the News Division. If not done in the next few weeks - before the election, CBS National News and the local CBS News is never to be seen in my house. There are other places to get that information. If the local NFL team is on CBS, I'll watch that week. I'm not going to tell my wife what soap operas to watch. But when there is a choice, CBS is not the choice. The only way to avoid that and counteract the blatant forgery and bias against the president and honest reporting is to clean house now. Only then will CBS be considered in the future. And I've owned what is now Viacom since Paramount Pictures was part of Gulf & Western.

290 posted on 09/19/2004 11:11:20 PM PDT by DmBarch
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To: Ken H

Libs: "AHA! That proves it! Bush lied! Dan Rather's source used a computer instead of a typewriter and it most certainly wasn't 'productive!'"


291 posted on 09/19/2004 11:12:07 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: LibWhacker
I have sources both in Texas and Central Park who have been reliable and valuable sources for decades that swear they have witnessed Dan Rather having sex with livestock. I have heard this is not uncommon amongst rural males but perhaps...just perhaps my august sources could be unauthentic or deceitful or even flawed...gravely speaking

Nevertheless, it is my view and the view of others of the same high moral caliber as myself who consider ourselves objective and reliable gator flappers that the INTENT OR SENTIMENT IF YOU WILL OF THESE ALLEGATIONS OF BESTIALITY COMMITTED BY MR. RATHER ACCURATELY REFLECT THE "FEELINGS" OF MY "RESPONSIBLE" SOURCES. THEREFORE MR RATHER. I DEMAND YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

DO YOU HAVE SEX WITH LIVESTOCK EITHER IN TEXAS OR CENTRAL PARK? I HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS IS TRUE BY FOLKS WHO CLAIM SUCH ALLEGATIONS WHETHER AUTHENTIC OR NOT, ACCURATELY REFLECT THEIR SENTIMENT....SO ANSWER THE QUESTION SIR?

(sarcasm/off)

292 posted on 09/19/2004 11:12:26 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: LibWhacker

Breaking news. CBS News concludes that the Earth is NOT flat.


293 posted on 09/19/2004 11:12:30 PM PDT by sd-joe (Rather ... a cartoon caricature of liberal bias.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

bttt


294 posted on 09/19/2004 11:12:56 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: LibWhacker
Misled? grave doubts about the authenticity of the material?
CYA SEEBS


295 posted on 09/19/2004 11:14:02 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: wardaddy

roflmao!!


296 posted on 09/19/2004 11:15:47 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit
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To: endthematrix

Between this tantalizing rumor and the fact that the head of Viacom is now selling off stock like a drunken sailor spends money, its been a history-making week.


297 posted on 09/19/2004 11:16:03 PM PDT by asgardshill (By direct order, I LOVE ALAN KEYES!)
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To: LibWhacker

Old News


298 posted on 09/19/2004 11:16:05 PM PDT by The Bandit
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"After Tet, General Westmoreland sent Walter Cronkite out to interview me

Thank you Kcvl for posting that .. I had not seen it before

Notice the similarities with what some in the press/media are doing today?

299 posted on 09/19/2004 11:18:00 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: oolatec; Grampa Dave; Howlin; MEG33; Mo1; Brad's Gramma; McGavin999; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

I vote for his using them to achieve his purposes.


300 posted on 09/19/2004 11:18:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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