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CBS News Concludes It Was Misled on National Guard Memos, Network Officials Say
New York Times ^ | 9/20/04 | Jim Rutenberg

Posted on 09/19/2004 9:40:13 PM PDT by LibWhacker

After days of expressing confidence about the documents used in a "60 Minutes'' report that raised new questions about President Bush's National Guard service, CBS News officials have grave doubts about the authenticity of the material, network officials said last night.

Those officials, who asked not to be identified, said CBS News would most likely make an announcement as early as today that it had been deceived about the documents' origins, and that it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

But these people cautioned that CBS News could still pull back from an announcement. Officials were meeting last night with Dan Rather, the anchor who presented the report, to go over the information it has collected about the documents one last time before making a final decision.

People at the network said it was now possible that officials would open a formal internal inquiry into how it moved forward with the report, which officials now say they are beginning to believe was too flawed to have gone on the air.

The report relied in large part on four memorandums purported to be from the personal file of Mr. Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago. The memos, dated from the early 1970's, said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat'' the record of the young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical.

Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings, but that the documents' authenticity is now in grave doubt.

The developments last night marked a dramatic turn for CBS News, which for a week stood steadfastly by its Sept. 8 report as various document experts asserted that the typeface of the memos could have been produced only by a modern-day word processor, not Vietnam War-era typewriters.

The seemingly unflappable confidence of Mr. Rather and top news division officials in the documents allayed fears within the network and created doubt among some in the news media at large that those specialists were correct. CBS News officials had said they had reason to be certain that the documents indeed came from the personal file of Colonel Killian.

Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents.''

But officials decided yesterday that they would most likely have to declare that they were misled about the records' origin after Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Mr. Rather interviewed Mr. Burkett on camera this weekend, and several people close to the reporting process said his answers to Mr. Rather's questions led officials to conclude that their initial confidence that the memos came from Mr. Killian's own files was not warranted. These people indicated that Mr. Burkett had previously led the producer of the piece, Mary Mapes, to have the utmost confidence in the material.

It was unclear last night whether Mr. Burkett told Mr. Rather that he had been misled about the documents' provenance or that he had been the one who did the misleading.

In an e-mail message yesterday, Mr. Burkett declined to answer any questions about the documents.

Yesterday, Emily J. Will, a document specialist who inspected the records for CBS News and said last week that she had raised concerns about their authenticity with CBS News producers, confirmed a report in Newsweek that a producer had told her that the source of the documents had said they were obtained anonymously and through the mail.

During an interview last night she declined to name the producer who told her this but said that the producer had been in a position to know. CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes'' report that it would face questions from documents experts.

In the coming days CBS News officials plan to focus on how the network moved ahead with the report when there were warning signs that the memorandums were not genuine.

Ms. Will is one of two documents experts consulted by the network who said they raised doubts about the material before the segment was broadcast. Another expert, Marcel B. Matley, said in interviews that he had only vouched for Colonel Killian's signatures on the records and not the authenticity of the records themselves. Mr. Matley said he could not rule out that the signatures were cut and pasted from official records pertaining to Colonel Killian.

In examining where the network went wrong, officials at CBS News were turning their attention to Ms. Mapes, one of their most respected producers, who was riding particularly high this year after breaking news about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal for the network.

In a telephone interview this weekend, Josh Howard, the executive producer of the "60 Minutes'' Wednesday edition, said he did not initially know who was Ms. Mapes' primary source for the documents but that he did not see any reason to doubt them. He said he believed Ms. Mapes and her team had appropriately answered all questions about the documents' authenticity and, he noted, no one seemed to be casting doubt upon the essential thrust of the report.

"The editorial story line was still intact, and still is, to this day,'' he said, "and the reporting that was done in it was by a person who has turned in decades of flawless reporting with no challenge to her credibility.''

He added, "We in management had no sense that the producing team wasn't completely comfortable with the results of the document analysis.''

Ms. Mapes has not responded to requests for comment.

Mr. Howard also said in the interview that the White House did not dispute the veracity of the documents when it was presented them on the morning of the report. That reaction, he said, was "the icing on the cake'' of the other reporting the network was conducting on the documents. White House officials have said they saw no reason to challenge documents that had been presented by a credible news organization.

Several people familiar with the situation said that they were girding for a particularly tough week for Mr. Rather and the news division should the network announce its new doubts.

One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?''


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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Burkett?
Rather?
Rather's daughter?
Mapes?
Cleland?
All of the above?


301 posted on 09/19/2004 11:19:12 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
"WELCOME TO THE PARTY PAL!!!"

Righto, Danny. Just take a number over there by the donut tray. It'll be a couple of weeks or so before they call yours. So just kick back, get fat, and watch the pro's.

302 posted on 09/19/2004 11:19:17 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: WOSG

Not to mention that it was Kerry's home newspaper newspaper the Boston Globe that printed the equivalent of "forged photos" and claimed they were really from Abu Ghraib. Wonder who fed those to them?


303 posted on 09/19/2004 11:20:30 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: hobson
Amazing chart and comments. Very detailed.

Do you think you could sell this (literally and figuratively) to the New York Times? < /sarc>

304 posted on 09/19/2004 11:20:31 PM PDT by Diddley (Buckhead is a pioneer. Pioneers get the arrows.)
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To: BoBToMatoE

That's nice - we still ought to make sure that CBS does not "mediate" any debate; let Fox News do it, or if you must use one that's just a bit less biased than CBS, use Al Jazeera 8^D


305 posted on 09/19/2004 11:23:47 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: LibWhacker

CBS is history in my home unless they come clean with the public. It burns me that I won't be watching the season premieres this week of Everybody Love Raymond, King of Queens, etc. I refuse to patronize a station that was involved in trying to influence a Presidential election by using forged documents. It's criminal.


306 posted on 09/19/2004 11:23:52 PM PDT by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: Southack
They still haven't been released. What the heck is *in* or on those tapes?!

It would be a reasonable assumption that whatever was on the tapes, it didn't match the transcripts.

307 posted on 09/19/2004 11:24:32 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: gpapa

Statement from RNC Communications Director Jim Dyke

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Christine Iverson
202-863-8614

Washington, DC-RNC Communications Director Jim Dyke made the following statement today

"Bill Burkett, Democrat activist and Kerry campaign supporter, passes information to the DNC; Kerry campaign surrogate Max Cleland discusses "valuable" information with Bill Burkett; Bill Burkett talks to "senior" Kerry campaign officials; an apparently unsuspecting news organization uses faked forged memos and an interview with Ben Barnes at the same time the Democratic National Committee launched Operation Fortunate Son; and Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill was among the first to call Ben Barnes and congratulate him after his interview. The trail of connections is becoming increasingly clear."


308 posted on 09/19/2004 11:28:20 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It is like falling in love...You will not look at the faults ,but idolize the assets of the person...That's what they did.... fell in love with advancing the story and could not see the faults of the new additions to the same old story..


309 posted on 09/19/2004 11:28:38 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: patriciaruth

I noticed a line from one of the soldiers in Iraq giving a pep talk to others on a clip on Ollie North's war stories show Sunday said something in reference to purple heart medals roughly along the lines of "None of our wounded guys took an an easy out..."


310 posted on 09/19/2004 11:28:40 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Southack
Well, notice that Ms. Mapes *didn't* accompany Dan Rathers out to Texas yesterday to interview Burkett. They sent Ms. West, instead.

I thought Mapes lived in Texas unless this was a few years ago.CBS producer Mary Mapes, who lives in Texas

Sept. 10, 2004
KVI's John Carlson said Mary Mapes use to be a News producer at KIRO TV in Seattle until moving on to CBS 60 Minutes about 10-12 years ago. He worked with her and said she was the most liberal person at KIRO and had a very leftist view when producing the news program. John said when he heard the story break at CBS, that he bet Mary Mapes is behind it. It has been announced that Mary was the one to go out and obtain the bogus documents.

Mapes father called his program and agreed with Carlson.

311 posted on 09/19/2004 11:29:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Stonedog
Funny that in the story they don't mention Burkett's politics, reported elsewhere as Democrat. Would that not be relevant for motivation??? Bu I guess the buck stops at the bottom (with the help of NYT, CBS, and of course DNC).

(Maybe next they'll find a Donald Segretti correspondence course on political activism in Burkett's bookshelf? ;-)

312 posted on 09/19/2004 11:30:26 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: DmBarch

Oh, might not be a good idea. If he stays on he serves as a reminder that some of the press has been lying and carrying Kerry's water all along.


313 posted on 09/19/2004 11:30:50 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: YaYa123

Thanks, guess I stumbled on it early. That's what I love about FR; everything's here as it breaks!


314 posted on 09/19/2004 11:31:49 PM PDT by LibWhacker (It is the black heart of Islam, not its black face, to which millions object)
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To: Spanaway Lori

Ms. Mapes has other problems as well:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3853

Rathergate producer Mapes needs to get a lawyer
September 17th, 2004

American Thinker exclusive

Mary Mapes, producer of the Rathergate fiasco, soon may have federal law enforcement officials knocking on her door, if a press story today holds water. In what could be another blow to the already scandal ridden Dan Rather and CBS News, Joe Flint of the Wall Street Journal (as made available to nonsubscribers in today’s San Francisco Chronicle), has a stunning lede about Dan Rather’s producer:

After she uncovered photos of abuse at Iraq's Abu Gharib [sic] prison, "60 Minutes" producer Mary Mapes told a newspaper interviewer that she'd "never had a story that reverberated like this."

Mary Mapes didn’t “uncover” anything. My article in The American Thinker on May 14, 2004 makes it clear that the incriminating photos of prisoner abuse and the reports of the Army’s multiple investigations were extremely sensitive in two ways: one, they were classified as Secret, and two, the documents were evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation of US Soldiers. As I noted in the article,

Whoever disclosed this classified document and the photos knows that he or she is subject to prosecution under provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). It would require a very foolish, or a very powerful and well-connected party, to believe that they could get away with this sort of disclosure. To date, the press is singularly uninterested in the question of who did the leaking.

And not only was the major press uninterested in who disclosed these materials, which could lead to criminal charges, but were also not interested in who received them, which, for a civilian, could lead to a trip to a federal magistrate’s courtroom. Thanks to Joe Flint, we mny have our answer!

This is no small technicality under the law. From the soldiers’ and their commanders’ perspective, maintaining the proper chain of custody of the evidence is paramount. The Taguba investigation stresses this point,

Due to the extremely sensitive nature of these photographs and videos, the ongoing CID investigation, and the potential for the criminal prosecution of several suspects, the photographic evidence is not included in the body of my investigation. The pictures and videos are available from the Criminal Investigative Command and the CTJF-7 prosecution team.

While it can be argued that the government has no role in the Rathergate National Guard memo fiasco, it’s a different matter entirely when an unauthorized person accepts classified documents and material relating to a federal criminal prosecution.

Mary Mapes and CBS may now find themselves the targets of an FBI investigation with serious national security and criminal implications.

Douglas Hanson is our military affairs correspondent


Douglas Hanson


315 posted on 09/19/2004 11:33:05 PM PDT by BlurBlog (The web is a town meeting for the whole world.)
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To: Tragically Single

Actually a documented chain of custody is very useful.

At trail.


316 posted on 09/19/2004 11:33:32 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: CurlyDave
. . . "a producer had told her that the source of the documents had said they were obtained anonymously and through the mail."
Oh, but Dan, you said they were from an unimpeachable source. Inquiring minds want to know how you came to that conclusion...
The true answer:
Or, Yes, Dan Rather, there really is a Santa Claus.
A modern Fable by Swordmaker

The scene: Dan Rather's posh apartment somewhere near 34th Street in New York

Late one night, Dan Rather was pondering how he could present these "documents" that came to him through the mail. They were a gift from an anonymous source. These documents PROVED that which he so ardently believed to be true (despite the total lack of evidence to back his faith): that George Bush, President of the United States, was a lying sack of, well, excrement.

As Dan pondered, he was idly watching his TV, not paying too much attention to the old movie that was playing. Suddenly, his ears perked up as Fred Gailey (played by John Payne) convinced New York Supreme Court Judge Henry X. Harper (Gene Lockhart) that the U.S. Post Office, an officially recognized arm of the United States Government, was an unimpeachable source and that Kris Kringle (Edmund Gwenn), was the one, true Santa Claus!

Dan, leaping to his feet, cried out "Eureka!" I have received these memos from an "unimpeachable" source: The United States Post Office!" "Yes," he thought as he looked up at the movie rolling its final credits, "It really IS a miracle on 34th Street!"

Dan went to bed that night gleeful with visions of President Kerry (played by Fred Gwynne) and Susan Walker (played by little Natalie Wood) finding a new house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The End...

of the beginning!

317 posted on 09/19/2004 11:36:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tagline shut down for renovations and repairs. Re-open June of 2001.)
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To: LibWhacker
According to the article, they're still sticking to the "fake but accurate" nonsense. So the story Rather is "sticking to" is now supported by gossip and fancy rather than forgeries.

We still need...


318 posted on 09/19/2004 11:36:14 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Physicist

Good point. I'm laughing if they think their story is airtight and that Kerry's campaign is safe. A million bright people are going over every word with a fine-tooth comb and are collaborating with one another. They can't hide anything, lol!


319 posted on 09/19/2004 11:36:36 PM PDT by LibWhacker (It is the black heart of Islam, not its black face, to which millions object)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If the DUmmies want to think Machiavellian, how about this scenario.

Car-Vile and Beg-Allah join the Kerry campaign, Susan Ostrich comes on the tube and says that the Dems are going to get down and dirty. Less than two weeks later here comes Damn Blather with the forged documents, at two bit Demoncrat political hustler named Ben Barnes saying the President was given special treatment to get into the Gaurd and then disobeyed orders, and was AWOL.

The story blows up in their face, Blather who was probably looking for way to retire KNOWINGLY lets himself and the SEEBS news get discredited. Then during the ensuing investigation, all roads lead to the DNC. Kerry loses all credibility with the swing voters, loses the election big time, and leaves the DNC floundering.

While the DNC is trying to pick up the pieces, in steps, you guessed it, Hitlery Klintoon, who brings the Dumb faithful back into the fold, and leads the charge for the WH in 2008,after 3 years of pre primary fund raising and campaigning. Hitlery wins the nomination in 2008, and hires Car-Vile and Beg-Allah as her campaign chiefs of staff.

Now that is Machiavellian.
320 posted on 09/19/2004 11:37:20 PM PDT by DaiHuy (en vertias est lux)
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To: LibWhacker
Mr. Rather and a top network executive, Betsy West, met in Texas with a man who was said to have helped the news division obtain the memos, a former Guard officer named Bill Burkett.

Betsy West appears to be pretty high up the food chain:

"Betsy West became Senior Vice President, Prime Time, CBS News, in June 2001. Before that, she was Vice President, Prime Time, CBS News (1998-2001). In that capacity, she oversees CBS News primetime broadcasts, including 60 Minutes Sunday and weekday and 48 Hours Mystery."

She was also apparantly involved in "sugar-coating" Private Jessica Lynch's interview deal:

"Attached you will find the outlines of a proposal that includes ideas from CBS News, CBS Entertainment, MTV Networks and Simon & Schuster publishers," wrote CBS News senior vice president Betsy West. "From the distinguished reporting of CBS News to the youthful reach of MTV, we do believe this is a unique combination of projects that will do justice to Jessica's inspiring story."

321 posted on 09/19/2004 11:37:28 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort ("We need a Commander-in-Chief who is a beacon, not a weathervane.")
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To: BlurBlog
While it can be argued that the government has no role in the Rathergate National Guard memo fiasco,

What about them being faxed from Kinko's .. would that not fall under the category of wire fraud?

322 posted on 09/19/2004 11:39:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: SteveH; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Chieftain; FairOpinion; ...


DS was an amateur

He should have worn PJs

I'm in dark blue sweats now myself; never be unable to make your move instantly


323 posted on 09/19/2004 11:41:26 PM PDT by devolve ( -- JOHN"V"KINKOS scams POW wives! - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: LibWhacker
Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said last week, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents."

Yeah, Sandy, we want to know about that "chain of custody" you're confident about. Let's start with the first in the "chain of custody" and how he or she obtained these "memos."

324 posted on 09/19/2004 11:41:29 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Jenya
It burns me that I won't be watching the season premieres this week of Everybody Love Raymond, King of Queens, etc.

Be sure that the sponsors of those shows know what you're doing and why. Otherwise, unless you're a Nielsen household, your not watching CBS won't have the slightest effect except to make you feel better (not that that's a bad thing).

325 posted on 09/19/2004 11:42:26 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: piasa

Great - then we can reexamine Mary's evidence and test it again for fraud...BTW, aren't Abu Ghraib trials starting soon?


326 posted on 09/19/2004 11:44:27 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: Bonaparte

What a farce, they are trying to hide the obvious......


327 posted on 09/19/2004 11:45:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: LibWhacker

By all means let's mention this now before the market opens in New York.


328 posted on 09/19/2004 11:45:14 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: WOSG

Um - come to Buckhead!


329 posted on 09/19/2004 11:45:30 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: LibWhacker
Mr. Rather and others at the network are said to still believe that the sentiment in the memos accurately reflected Mr. Killian's feelings...

These whackos at CBS still believe they can read the mind of a dead man they never even met? And they persist in this delusion despite the statements of killian's wife and son that they are dead wrong about the "personal file" and everything else?

330 posted on 09/19/2004 11:46:42 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: LibWhacker

Hey maybe 60 minutes will pick up on this Rathergate story and do a show on it. Dan will be out on assignment (unemployment line) and one of the other chaps can do it. Then Andy Rooney can say something clever about it too.


331 posted on 09/19/2004 11:47:25 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Savage Beast
Their defense is stupidity?

Only honest thing they've said.

332 posted on 09/19/2004 11:49:44 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Boundless

"Grima Rathertongue?"


333 posted on 09/19/2004 11:51:47 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (The Final Score: Buckhead 1, Talking Head 0)
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To: RJL
I can't wait to hear CBS & Dan Rather reveal their "unimpeachable" source.

Anybody not holding high public office is "unimpeachable".

An "absolutely credible, scrupulously honest" source is something else altogether.

334 posted on 09/19/2004 11:51:52 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: LibWhacker
CBS News officials have disputed her contention that she warned the network the night before the initial "60 Minutes" report that it would face questions from documents experts.

So now CBS is calling its own documents consultant a liar. Everybody's lying but them, right?

335 posted on 09/19/2004 11:51:57 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: piasa

It seems like we will have to have every Mapes story reviewed to see if she has consistently lied to smear GWB...


336 posted on 09/19/2004 11:54:50 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook ((Kerry/Edwards - We'll open up a carafe of whoopass on terrorists!))
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To: LibWhacker
One person close to the situation said the critical question would be, "Where was everybody's judgment on that last day?"

Yeah, everybody at CBS lost their minds on the same day. What are the odds?

337 posted on 09/19/2004 11:55:24 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: bt_dooftlook

Excellent idea! In fact, I think all Bush and kerry stories from CBS should now undergo rigorous review for factual accuracy and bias. Oops, what am I saying. Bozell has already done this over at MRC and CBS flunked.


338 posted on 09/19/2004 11:57:47 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: LibWhacker

CBS News is a criminal enterprise and should be disenfranchised, NEXT... ABS and NBS....PBS is the worst offender of all...


339 posted on 09/20/2004 12:00:43 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: All

The main problem with this report is they started with a premise or story that they wanted to present and only used evidence that supported their theory. Any good investigator knows you get as many facts as possible and then arrive at a conclusion, (if possible) not start with a conclusion and try and get facts to match it.

They are not alone, it is a mindset of most of the MSM with a bias...That's what their internal investigation should show including every red flag they ignored and every opposing fact they ignored or refused to interview. Not rather biased, but very biased.

Had they honestly looked at both sides the story would have gone the other way, President Bush did serve honorably and complete his service.


340 posted on 09/20/2004 12:01:39 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: GATOR NAVY
Be sure that the sponsors of those shows know what you're doing and why. Otherwise, unless you're a Nielsen household, your not watching CBS won't have the slightest effect except to make you feel better (not that that's a bad thing).

Yeah, I realize that. I spent a good couple of hours today writing to everyone and their mother. There was a good contact list on a thread floating around here. I still have more writing to do though. I'm actually mad at CBS because I really enjoy their Monday night comedy lineup. Oh well. Gotta follow the conscious.

341 posted on 09/20/2004 12:02:09 AM PDT by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

Yea, and for all we know she could have been one of the skeptic's at CBS that was steamrolled by Rather, et.al.. We should wait and see what comes out.


342 posted on 09/20/2004 12:02:42 AM PDT by Swampmarine
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To: Savage Beast
Their defense is stupidity?

Can't be. They're the ones who have always accused Bush of that. If they admit that they are stupid, then what were they doing slaming Bush for that?

And beyond all that, the much bigger question is -- drum roll please -- WHO WANTS A DUMB*SS BRINGING THEM THE NEWS?

343 posted on 09/20/2004 12:02:43 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: ApplegateRanch

actually impeachable also goes to credibility or criminality, both may be applicable here:


1 a: to bring an accusation against b : to charge with a crime or misdemeanor; specifically : to charge (a public official) before a competent tribunal with misconduct in office
2 : to cast doubt on; especially : to challenge the credibility or validity of impeach the testimony of a witness 3
3 : to remove from office especially for misconduct


344 posted on 09/20/2004 12:05:12 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: BlurBlog
Mary Mapes and CBS may now find themselves the targets of an FBI investigation with serious national security and criminal implications.

And how long will it take before MM plays the victim card herself, one wonders? (Quick, it's in the liberal playbook somewhere, ... ;-)

345 posted on 09/20/2004 12:05:53 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: LibWhacker
It's despicable that anyone would use a deceased man, a good man, to perpetrate a crime. Sad for Mr. Killian's family, sad for his memory.

This gang that couldn't shoot straight are filthy, immoral pigs.

346 posted on 09/20/2004 12:10:04 AM PDT by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
it was mounting an intensive news investigation of where they came from.

Lijahsbubbe: What a crock! This Clinton-speak, Alice Through the Looking Glass, bizarro statement is too much.
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Oh, but last week, Danny boy said CBS had "investigated thoroughly" and had special experts who verified the authenticity of these forged documents. And the CBS spokeswoman said they had utmost confidence in the "chain of custody" for these forged docs.

And now CBS is saying they're gonna find out where these memos came from even though they said they already investigated thoroughly and had utmost confidence in the "chain of custody." And those special experts who verified the authenticity of the memos? Well, actually, they didn't. In fact, two of these special experts said they did just the opposite. But CBS says they're lying. How can that be?

Hey, I'm a pretty confused guy. My head is spinnin. I think I better lie down for awhile. Maybe I need to see the doctor.

347 posted on 09/20/2004 12:10:11 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Jenya
But but but Danny said he knew Killian's feeeeeeelings even though the guy's dead and Danny boy never even met him. Oh, wait, Danny talked to a crazy guy in Texas about Killian. I guess that means he knows the dead guy's thoughts -- I mean the thoughts the dead guy had before he was dead.

Oh, my head! It's spinning, spinning....

348 posted on 09/20/2004 12:12:22 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: woofie
"Gee Im so glad they are being careful so they dont get the story wrong"

Hahahahahhahaha yeah hahahaha me too hahahoo hoohoo heeehee... hey, I hope they don't toss me in the same rubber room as Burkett. You know, the crazy guy that channeled dead Killian's feelings to Danny boy? Yeah, that guy.

349 posted on 09/20/2004 12:20:56 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Bonaparte
But but but Danny said he knew Killian's feeeeeeelings even though the guy's dead and Danny boy never even met him. Oh, wait, Danny talked to a crazy guy in Texas about Killian. I guess that means he knows the dead guy's thoughts -- I mean the thoughts the dead guy had before he was dead. Oh, my head! It's spinning, spinning....

Relax, step away from the computer. You've contracted severe lib-spin-itis. Listen to Rush for three hours, read articles by Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, and Michael Reagan, and you'll be fine. ;)

Oh, don't forget, the 86 year old typist knew about Mr. Killian's "feelings" too.

That old 70s song, Feelings, just popped into my head.

Feelings, wo wo wo feeeeeelings, wo wo wo feeeeeelings, again in my heart. Anyone remember that one?

350 posted on 09/20/2004 12:23:24 AM PDT by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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