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At a Michigan Grill, an Arab American Voice Quizzes Cheney
LA Times ^ | September 22, 2004 | James Gerstenzang

Posted on 09/22/2004 10:32:40 AM PDT by JohnnyZ

Wearing a turban and robed in brown and black, Qazwini, a religious leader born in Iraq, wanted to know if Cheney would pledge to support antidiscrimination policies to protect Muslims in the United States. And he wanted to know if the vice president remained confident Iraqi elections would still proceed in January.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: arab; arabamericans; michigan; napalminthemorning
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Seems to me the questioner, Qazwini, was fair and reasonable, and Cheney answered his questions well. The Times of course treated it like a GOTCHA! moment, but that's the LASlimes for ya.

Oh yeah, go to http://www.bugmenot.com if you need a password to view article....

1 posted on 09/22/2004 10:32:41 AM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: JohnnyZ

Should free people have the right to discriminate?


2 posted on 09/22/2004 10:35:19 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: JohnnyZ
Qazwini said later he was pleased with Cheney's answer, saying, "It's been awhile since we have heard from the administration" a declaration that Muslims should not be singled out for scrutiny and should not be held responsible "for the crimes of terrorists who came from abroad."

But he added: "Was it sufficient? Did I expect him to say more, to engage Muslims in the campaign? Yes, I did."

3 posted on 09/22/2004 10:36:12 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: JohnnyZ

Just read about a decorated soldier reportedly attacked at a concert in Ohio. He was wearing an Iraqi Freedom Tee Shirt...it's on nbc4i.com; has anyone heard about this? supposedly the soldier is anxious to go back to Iraq and serve with his unit.


4 posted on 09/22/2004 10:37:07 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1
Decorated Soldier Reportedly Attacked At (Toby Keith) Concert
5 posted on 09/22/2004 10:38:27 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: JohnnyZ
Cheney quizes turban wearing man about his ability to convince fellow muslims to stop beheading Americans.

I say send him to Falluja and have the nice muslim man ask about stopping the beheading of Americans. Maybe even send Jesse Jackson, Farrakan et al to Iraq to see what the demands are....

6 posted on 09/22/2004 10:40:10 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: JohnnyZ

The Great Qazwini has spoken!


7 posted on 09/22/2004 10:40:54 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: JohnnyZ

I hope Cheney told him politely to go f--- himself!


8 posted on 09/22/2004 10:41:16 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Dick Vomer
Cheney quizes turban wearing man about his ability to convince fellow muslims to stop beheading Americans.

Muslims don't wear turbans.

9 posted on 09/22/2004 10:42:22 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (There is no Chaos. Only very complicated Order. (Presenting Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew in PJ's!)
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To: JohnnyZ
wanted to know if Cheney would pledge to support antidiscrimination policies to protect Muslims in the United States

Well Mr. Quizno... Do you plan on being a voice of reason against the maniacs who behead Americans? As it is right now, the majority of Americans are concerned about their family's safety from militant muslims and a vocal and public condemntation from one of their own would serve a very good cause toward reconciling many people's fears towards Islam.

Has that answered your question Mr Quizno?

10 posted on 09/22/2004 10:45:00 AM PDT by smith288 (ejsmithweb.com)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Muslims don't wear turbans.


11 posted on 09/22/2004 10:46:29 AM PDT by smith288 (ejsmithweb.com)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Muslims don't wear turbans.

Yes, of course. The proper term is "rag".

12 posted on 09/22/2004 10:47:11 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: smith288; JesseHousman

Why are y'all jumping on this guy? He had family killed by Saddam and he wants to make sure Iraqis are going to be holding election on the current timetable. Does that sound to you like someone sympathetic to Zarqawi?


13 posted on 09/22/2004 10:48:18 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch." --Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: JohnnyZ

Sorry, Johnny, I just don't like mudslimes.


14 posted on 09/22/2004 10:51:02 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Muslims don't wear turbans.

What's al Sadr, a Buddhist?


15 posted on 09/22/2004 10:54:42 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: JesseHousman
Sorry, Johnny, I just don't like mudslimes.

Bit of a religious bigot Jesse?

16 posted on 09/22/2004 10:56:53 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Dan Evans
Should free people have the right to discriminate?

That likely depends on the basis on which we're discriminating. For some reason, we've said one's religion is not an acceptable basis for discrimination in certain circumstances (e.g. we can kick them out of our churches and homes but, not our places of business).

Since this is so seemingly elementary, even reasonable, I have to guess you had something different in mind.

17 posted on 09/22/2004 10:57:54 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: Dan Evans
For Muslim woman it is a hijab, for Muslim men it is a kufiyyeh.

A guy wearing a turban is likely a Sikh and the Sikh are our allies.

Big difference.

18 posted on 09/22/2004 10:58:53 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (There is no Chaos. Only very complicated Order. (Presenting Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew in PJ's!)
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To: newgeezer

Doesn't one also need to deny another some aspect of their freedom in order to discriminate? Are they, then, really a free person?


19 posted on 09/22/2004 11:03:36 AM PDT by dmz
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To: JohnnyZ
Why are y'all jumping on this guy? He had family killed by Saddam and he wants to make sure Iraqis are going to be holding election on the current timetable. Does that sound to you like someone sympathetic to Zarqawi?

No, perhaps it the tone given by the author of the article but it sounded like he thinks Cheney is in charge of protecting every single muslim in the US.

20 posted on 09/22/2004 11:03:39 AM PDT by smith288 (ejsmithweb.com)
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To: Barlowmaker
Only when I have proof that adherents to a religion are cutting off the heads of innocents. Only when I see where they take over a school, shoot children in the back and rape the female children. Only when they fly our own planes into buildings to kill thousands of us.

Yes. As regards the evil muslim religion and their filthy handbook written by a perverted butcher, I am deeply prejudiced against that religion.

21 posted on 09/22/2004 11:05:11 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: JesseHousman

I don't like Catholics.

See, isn't this easy?


22 posted on 09/22/2004 11:06:12 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Dan Evans
Should free people have the right to discriminate?

As I tell my children, you'd best damn well discriminate, because if you don't, someone will discriminate for you. They're then told that they'd best discriminate on meaningful variables. Example of a unmeaningful variable on which to discriminate on--skin color. Example of a meaningful variable upon which to discriminate--whether one's a 'Rat or not.

23 posted on 09/22/2004 11:08:07 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Kerry/Edwards--When you're full of it you need two johns.)
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To: JohnnyZ
Headline I'd like to see:

At Freerepublic, Wonderama quizzes Qazwini:

Question: Mr. Qazwini, will you not condemn in the strongest language possible the slaughter by beheading of innocent Americans by your fellow Muslims in the name of Allah?

Oh that's right, only Muslims are allowed to be victims.

24 posted on 09/22/2004 11:08:29 AM PDT by Wonderama
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To: Dan Evans

The guys with the turbans are Sikhs.

Sikhs are not Moslems.

Sikhs and Moslems have been killing each other for centuries.

A good reason to appreciate Sikhs.


25 posted on 09/22/2004 11:08:32 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Barlowmaker
Sorry, Barlow.

See. You've still got a head on your shoulders.

26 posted on 09/22/2004 11:08:48 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Barlowmaker; All
I don't like Raelians either... Not all Muslim's are evil.
27 posted on 09/22/2004 11:11:46 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: JohnnyZ

President Bush, right, kisses Iman Hassan Qazwini, a local religious leader,
after speaking Monday, April 28, 2003 in Dearborn, Mich.

28 posted on 09/22/2004 11:13:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: hellinahandcart

He is wearing a taqiyah. Different then a turban.


29 posted on 09/22/2004 11:14:21 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (There is no Chaos. Only very complicated Order. (Presenting Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew in PJ's!)
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To: JesseHousman

Hating Muslims because a few terrorists use Islamist nationalism to justify their murder and mayhem is like blaming all Catholics because a few Irish Republican Army terrorists used Catholic Nationlism to justify their murder and mayhem in Ulster.

That's the way ignoramuses and bigots "think".


30 posted on 09/22/2004 11:17:16 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Muslims don't wear turbans.

HEY!!!! I got it from an unimpeachable source that Muslims DO WEAR TURBANS!!!!!

sorry I was in a typing jag with way to much java,java,java

31 posted on 09/22/2004 11:22:12 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
It's a turban. You want to split hairs and say "No, that's a ____________" (insert non-English word for 'turban' here), be my guest.

But a turban by any other name...

32 posted on 09/22/2004 11:23:04 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; hellinahandcart
Nope. A taqiyah is hat that is shaped like an unside down bucket.

turban \ter-ben\ noun [MF turbant, fr. It turbante, fr. Turk tulbent, fr. Per dulband] (1588)
1 : a headdress worn chiefly in countries of the eastern Mediterranean and southern Asia esp. by Muslims and made of a cap around which is wound a long cloth

(C) 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

The long wound cloth makes it a turban.

33 posted on 09/22/2004 11:28:13 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: JohnnyZ

Seemed like a decent guy asking fair questions. Kind of nice to see, actually.


34 posted on 09/22/2004 11:29:20 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Barlowmaker
"Hating Muslims because a few terrorists use Islamist nationalism to justify their murder and mayhem is like blaming all Catholics because a few Irish Republican Army terrorists used Catholic Nationlism to justify their murder and mayhem in Ulster. That's the way ignoramuses and bigots "think".

I see your point. Though I don't think even the IRA stoops to the levels of these thugs.

35 posted on 09/22/2004 11:33:52 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: JesseHousman

The problem with Muslims in America would be solved very simply if they renounced all acts of terror and stopped supporting terrorists. If another attack takes place here with loss of life, committed by crackpot Islamofascists, we will expect some public statement from American Muslims denouncing terrorism, etc.. I notice that this fellow's family was murdered in Iraq, and he's here, safe and sound. Does he intend to go back to help rebuild his native land? Or just stay here and complain that people stare at him and wonder if he's wearing a bomb belt. He should get down on his knees and kiss this ground. He should then stand up and thank this country for trying to help his people, when most of the rest of the world was content to simply rip Iraq off.

He should also say something to American families whose sons and daughters have either been wounded or killed, trying to free Iraq. But no, so far, not a peep. Ungrateful idiot.


36 posted on 09/22/2004 11:37:43 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Barlowmaker

Afghanistan, Algeria, Bosnia, Bangladesh, Chechnya, East Timor, Egypt, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kosovo, Libya, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Turkey; Places where Islam is killing non Muslims


37 posted on 09/22/2004 11:37:50 AM PDT by pwatson
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To: Barlowmaker

We had a large problem here in America with Catholics sending money to Ireland to support the IRA. Same thing going on with Muslims. Just as wrong, and their hands are just as bloodsoaked.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 11:39:25 AM PDT by hershey
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To: paulsy

We need to kill every one of those thugs.

I reject the smear of 1.2 billion practitioners of the Islamic faith because of the actions of a infitessimally small minority of butchers (who are killing fellow Muslims daily in Iraq).

If you look at some of the posts on FR, and the descriptions of the Islam religion ... you can almost hear the call of "death to all infidels". Only it's coming from Freepers.


39 posted on 09/22/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: hershey

Although the IRA seems to have drawn the line at beheadings. I'm half Irish, Catholic, and wish Ireland were free. That said, killing innocents is not the way to do it. This doesn't whitewash the Brits, either. They have a great deal to answer for...all over the world.


40 posted on 09/22/2004 11:42:13 AM PDT by hershey
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To: dmz
Doesn't one also need to deny another some aspect of their freedom in order to discriminate?

Main Entry: dis·crim·i·nate
Pronunciation: dis-'kri-m&-"nAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing
Etymology: Latin discriminatus, past participle of
discriminare, from discrimin-, discrimen distinction, from discernere to distinguish between -- more at DISCERN transitive senses
1 a : to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of b : DISTINGUISH, DIFFERENTIATE <discriminate hundreds of colors>
2 : to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences; especially : to distinguish from another like object
intransitive senses
1 a : to make a distinction historical sources> b : to use good judgment
2 : to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit <discriminate in favor of your friends> <discriminate against a certain nationality>
Simple discrimination does not necessarily involve denial of any freedom.
41 posted on 09/22/2004 11:42:19 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: pwatson
"Islam" is killing non-Muslims? Or are murderous terrorists who have corrupted Islam to achieve their fascistic goals killing non-Muslims? And "fellow" Muslims, if you hadn't noticed.
42 posted on 09/22/2004 11:43:06 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: dmz
Doesn't one also need to deny another some aspect of their freedom in order to discriminate? Are they, then, really a free person?

Whenever a person exercises self-restraint, he is denying some aspect of his freedom. Better to be your own slave than someone else's slave.

43 posted on 09/22/2004 12:02:28 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: paulsy
Man's historic inhumanity to man is not limited to Muslims:


44 posted on 09/22/2004 12:04:17 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: hershey
...if they renounced all acts of terror and stopped supporting terrorists.

Never happen. Terrorism, butchery or slaughter of non-muslims is inculcated in their filthy koran!

Muslims can't coexist with non-muslims or "infidels' are we are called. Look at over 50 years of their slaughter of Israelis. There is never a truce. Things slow down a little while the butchers catch their breath and then it begins again with renewed ferocity.

Muslims in America are agents whose mission is to take over whenever they can. The basements of the hundreds upon hundreds of mosques and islamic centers in the United States are not filled with tinker toys. They are the center of islamic fifth columnists.

The longer we pussy-foot around with these devils the harder it will be to get them out of here.

45 posted on 09/22/2004 12:10:10 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Barlowmaker
"Islam" is killing non-Muslims? Or are murderous terrorists who have corrupted Islam to achieve their fascistic goals killing non-Muslims? And "fellow" Muslims, if you hadn't noticed.

If people who protect and support terrorists do so out of fear, should it make any difference to us? Should it make any difference whether or not they do what they do out of conviction or whether they are cowed into submission?

Don't we still have to fight them?

46 posted on 09/22/2004 12:10:49 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Barlowmaker
I would be a religious bigot....if I though islam was a religion.
47 posted on 09/22/2004 12:12:13 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Barlowmaker
I would be a religious bigot....if I thought islam was a religion.
48 posted on 09/22/2004 12:12:35 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Kill the infidels!


49 posted on 09/22/2004 12:13:59 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: pwatson

United States of America


50 posted on 09/22/2004 12:14:52 PM PDT by revolted
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