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McDermott Co-Sponsors Legislation to Reinstate the Draft (Democrats, not Republicans!)
United States Congressman Jim McDermott, Democrat - Washington State ^ | January 2003 | Jim McDermott

Posted on 09/22/2004 1:54:46 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom

McDermott Co-Sponsors Legislation to Reinstate the Draft

January 7, 2003 - For Immediate Release

Washington, DC-- Congressman Jim McDermott (Democrat) has announced his co-sponsorship of Congressman Charles Rangel's (Democrat) legislation to reinstate the military draft and other forms of national service. The bill would require Americans between 18 and 26 to serve two years in the military or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security.

The bill, HR 163, is intended to ensure that the burden of military service is not borne disproportionately by the poor and numbers of minority groups.

Congressman McDermott commented that "I believe that if those who are pushing for war knew that their children might be required to share the burden of that war, there might be a greater willingness to work toward peace and a diplomatic solution. If, despite our best efforts, we end up in armed conflict, then fairness dictates that the sons and daughters of all classes participate."

" I am pleased to be an original co-sponsor of Congressman Rangel's bill, McDermott continued. " If we need to re-instate the draft in order to make the Administration consider the chilling consequences of war, so be it. I hope this will make them realize how important a diplomatic solution really is. "

In underscoring the need for broad public discussion about committing troops to conflict, McDermott reiterated his view that it is time to consider a period of compulsory service for every young person in our country. "The draft ended thirty years ago, and since then the sense of obligation as the price of citizenship has faded," he said. I agree with Congressman Rangel that we need to find ways to share the sacrifices associated with committing our country to war, whether it's a campaign against illiteracy, poverty, hunger, or terrorism."

Congressman McDermott served as a Lieutenant Commander in the U.S. Navy Medical Corps at the Long Beach Naval Station in California from 1968 to 1970. Congressman Rangel served in the U.S. Army in Korea from 1948 to 1952.


TOPICS: Announcements; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: baghdadjim; democrats; draft; fearmongering; kerry; liars; mcdermott; selectiveservice
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To: Prov3456

You know when Susan Estrich was exhorting the Democrats to dirty and mean/ Wellll.........


51 posted on 09/22/2004 2:37:59 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: ladtx
If, despite our best efforts, we end up in armed conflict, then fairness dictates that the sons and daughters of all classes participate."

Anybody still remember Pat Tilman? He gave up a multi-million dollar a year contract. He also gave up his life.

Now he was a hero. Not that piece of sheite John F'n Kerry

52 posted on 09/22/2004 2:39:40 PM PDT by mountn man
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To: ladtx

The Bushies need to slap that notion down hard and fast. Take a page from the Clintonistas and turn it around. Point to the bill sponsored by Democrats and then spend a couple of days worth of surrogates on TV telling the public "George Bush doesn't want to reinstate the draft - the DEMOCRATS are trying to reinstate the draft RIGHT NOW and here's proof".

I'd love to see that all over the airwaves tomorrow morning. If they let that charge go unrebutted and forcefully so, it'll kill us with the newly dubbed "Security Moms".


53 posted on 09/22/2004 2:40:24 PM PDT by Sharpie (Somebody pass the Krauthammer!)
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To: pieces of time
We need tv and radio ads. Something like "14 Democrats have co-sponsored a bill to reinstate the draft. Republicans in Congress and President Bush have vowed to fight this bill. Why won't John Kerry condemn this bill and promise not to reinstate the draft if he is elected?"

Make them region specific, so in Florida, for example, change it to "14 Democrats including Corrine Brown and Alcie Hastings have co-sponsored a bill to ..."

Maybe end it with - "Call John Kerry and urge him that we don't need a draft. Ask John Kerry to convince his democrat friends who co-sponsored this bill that we don't need a draft."

We should be on the offensive and not the defensive on this issue. If they frame it, which they are doing, it may be too late. Spend a few million on radio and tv ads that is targeted to college students and their parents."

54 posted on 09/22/2004 2:48:08 PM PDT by undeniable logic
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To: Enduring Freedom

I agree... This is Kerry's dilema. The President will not institute a draft because the military has solid end strength. Kerry is despised by a majority of active duty personell and if he did get elected these people will get out at their EAOS or submit for retirement earlier then they normally would have. Kerry will lose the Military vote. Kerry will be forced to implement a draft in order to keep military end strength. This needs some serious non-CBS investigative reporting so that the American people can see that Kerry is trying to trump the President on an issue that his party is supporting. Guaranteed to lose Kerry the Young votes...


55 posted on 09/22/2004 2:48:56 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Don't let John Kerry put a price on our childrens heads bear any burden pay any cost elect GW.)
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To: Enduring Freedom

Gee, I thought Bush was the culprit.


56 posted on 09/22/2004 2:52:16 PM PDT by KStorm (A government big enough to reach out and touch you is big enough to step on you.)
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To: All

Bump to the top!!!


57 posted on 09/22/2004 3:04:04 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog

Bttt


58 posted on 09/22/2004 3:04:30 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Prov3456
Hello and Thanks,

My son is 6, so this is not an issue in my house. However, my nephews are 18 and 15, perfect ages to scare the crap out of them and their parents.

Glad to be here, MOgirl
59 posted on 09/22/2004 3:06:51 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: cripplecreek

No, that isn't true. I know Joe Biden has a son in the military.


60 posted on 09/22/2004 3:08:45 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Veto!

McDermott could rape a 12 year old girl in broad daylight and still get reelected.

(No, I am not accusing him of any such thing, just saying that his district is so safe he would still win if the primary was over and they didn't Toricelli him)


61 posted on 09/22/2004 3:10:15 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Enduring Freedom


Pres. Bush needs to make it crystal clear in the debates that it is the DEMOCRATS in the House who are pushing the draft that the MTV commercials are scaring the clueless young with at the moment. I might even say that the US military does not think that the MTV crowd would be an asset to our mission. That ought to dent the self image that these little spoiled whiners have.


62 posted on 09/22/2004 3:10:53 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Enduring Freedom
HR 163 is a Charlie Rangel bill. It is sponsored by 14 liberal Democrats. Not One Republican!

Most of the 14 DEMS are also members of the Black Caucus.

The Bill is still alive and well. Presently it is at the DOD for "review".

I have posted this before, and some have disagreed, but IMHO, if Kerry wins we are going to see this Bill back on the floor of Congress and Rangel and his gang pushing Kerry for approval. Calling in their chit for this group getting the black vote out for Kerry.

As a side note to my rant, this is another racial issue that is really part of the DNC strategy.

The FACTS need to be put in front of the public. Perhaps an TV AD stating the history of this Bill and the FACTS could be meaningful to the Bush Campaign.

If this gets legs for the Kerry Campaign, there are going to be mothers and college kids going to the polls for Kerry. Ironic, isn't it? They are playing right into the hands of the Liberal Left to vote against the draft before they vote for it!
63 posted on 09/22/2004 3:11:07 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: Enduring Freedom

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64 posted on 09/22/2004 3:27:13 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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65 posted on 09/22/2004 3:39:33 PM PDT by Spackidagoosh
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

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66 posted on 09/22/2004 3:44:15 PM PDT by bigjoesaddle (Shrug)
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To: freeeee

Granted, there's the military issues. Been there, done that at Camp Pendleton. True enough.

But there's also the perspective they'd gain of the real world where people get killed & etc. before they hear from some hippie at college how bad the military is and how peaceful the rest of the world is.

Right now all they hear and experience is one side and one view. Is this balanced? Maybe not. Is it better? I think so.


67 posted on 09/22/2004 3:49:58 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: PeterFinn
My thanks for your service.

Right now all they hear and experience is one side and one view

True, I see your point. My problem is with the concept of indoctrination to begin with. In essence, the government is deciding that it doesn't like the mindset of the people it purports to serve, and sets out to change it, by force, to one more suitable to its desires. Is this not the very definition of social engineering? Are we to trust the very same government that created this problem through indoctrination with yet more powers of indoctination? Is the purpose of the military defense, or social engineering? This problem is highlighted by China's use of the military for exactly what you suggest - college students there spend a year in their military so they won't be so hostile to their communist government.

I find this to be contrary to a theory of a government that serves not rules its people. Free People will decide what thoughts, views and values serve them best. We are individuals endowed with self determination, not farm animals to be manipulated by masters.

That said, the military certainly can be a place for wayward individuals to improve themselves and find discipline. But they must ask for it.

68 posted on 09/22/2004 4:03:50 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Enduring Freedom
"It's the DEMOCRATS who sponsored legislation for a draft. How can Kerry accuse President Bush?"

Besides Kerry accusing him, there are those who LOATH President Bush with such passion that even when it is pointed out to them who is sponsoring the bill they will say Oh! then turn around in the next posting saying Bush and Cheney's Draft Legislation.

Such loathing is liable to give them an ulcer.

69 posted on 09/22/2004 4:23:50 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: PeterFinn
"I think a lot of young folks would benefit by gaining the perspective of serving their country for two years....

My brother was drafted into the Army (Paratroopers) back in 1959 right after his divorce and he had two children.

He says it is the best thing that ever happened to him and he thinks it would be beneficial to all young people.

I don't think he would be for a draft though.

Those who hate Bush are pushing this issue because they know it upsets people. I have friends who have sons in the service now and they say that most of the services have all the enlistments they need. If they didn't they wouldn't let so many out because of minor issues.

70 posted on 09/22/2004 4:38:44 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: pieces of time
Maybe we need to get a good letter writing campaign to MTV ... they are promoting the idea of a draft and Kerry (lied) is reinforcing it to the kids. For most 18-21 year olds this is a SINGLE ISSUE ELECTION and that is the DRAFT! It is the dems that support the draft, not the Bush Administration.
71 posted on 09/22/2004 5:09:05 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: freeeee

I oppose compulsory public education in its' current form and would readily support vouchers. This would address the indoctrination issue extant in our schools.

However, liberty and freedom are not a free ride. The people in the WTC found that out. They weren't drafted or indoctrinated yet they still died on behalf of their country.

Serving your country in the military or in a suitable/acceptable public service for objectors is no more wrong than making a child go to school to learn to be a good citizen. Or making you pay taxes. Its the price we pay to live in this country.

I spent a fair part of 1991 & 1992 under a 24 hour notice of recall and could've gone off to war. I had no problem with this and I planned for it.

250,000 lazy-assed freaks found the time to protest at the RNC. Their right to do this is secured by the soldiers and the President they hate. I don't think it's too much to ask of these freaks to at least fight a forest fire or clean up a neighborhood in service to their country when other people are dying (not all of their free will) for the same country.


72 posted on 09/22/2004 5:21:08 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: pabianice

It won't pass. Kerry is unlikely to mention it in debate, so he doesn't end up Al-Gorizing. Even our malaprop Prez would eat him alive on this one.

But, if you think about it, maybe not a bad idea to get a few 18-20s in Charlie's district up at 6:00 AM and doing something.


73 posted on 09/22/2004 6:37:32 PM PDT by jschwartz
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To: jschwartz

The modern 'Rat party is a cheap whore.


74 posted on 09/22/2004 8:01:41 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Socialism Is the Enemy of Mankind, Democrats Its Traveling Salesmen)
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To: Enduring Freedom

Exactly. If John F*ckin' is foolish enough to raise the charge again during the debates, President Bush should fire back with, "There you go again, Senator. The truth is its YOUR own party that wants to bring back the draft. Sponsors of a draft move include Jim McDermott and Charlie Rangel. I'm surprised you didn't know who is pushing it and here you are needlessly scaring the kids. That's low even for you, Mr. Kerry."


75 posted on 09/22/2004 8:05:40 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Enduring Freedom

Did my part. Circulated this little notice to everyone in my email address book. Get enough people to sit up and take notice and the demoncRATS blame game will go down the tubes. Mainstream media fails again.


76 posted on 09/22/2004 9:27:53 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: freeeee
I just heard pretty much the same from my step daughter when she came to visit last week, that Bush was going to reinstate the draft. I asked her where in the hell she heard that, "just some friends from school". No doubt they heard it from their professors. A few years back when she had just started attending in North Carolina, 1st thing she calls us up in a panic to tell us that Pell Grants are to be discontinued by order of President Bush. She was positive it was true, as ALL of her teachers were telling her this

This is the same school that, the following year, all freshman were required to take a semester studying Islam. I didn't get this from her, I got it from the news. She doesn't go there anymore.

77 posted on 09/22/2004 10:44:54 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: Enduring Freedom

"It's DEMOCRATS who sponsored legislation for a draft. How can Kerry accuse President Bush?"

What does the truth ever have to do with what Kerry says?


78 posted on 09/22/2004 10:48:16 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (So "F'n" means "flip-flopping"? ><BCC>)
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To: Enduring Freedom
"Everybody in this room who is 17 years old should know that the likelihood of a draft in a second Bush administration is almost a certainty," McDermott said.

That is word for word exactly what that deranged POS told a north Seattle high school class almost two years ago. I forget what he was supposed to talk about, but the kids were filed into an autotorium to listen to him blather on about something, instead he launched into this anti Bush anti war tirade to kids as young as 14 - my son's age. At least my son knows how to tell a worm ridden brain diseased commie charletan when he sees one, but I heard it scared the crap out've a bunch of those kids.

79 posted on 09/22/2004 10:55:39 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: lilylangtree

Good job.

Not only mainstream, but even Drudge has ignored a ping to counter that insidious headline.

Me thinks we've got another O'Reilly in Drudge - jealous, petty, ungrateful, egotistical, self-important.


80 posted on 09/23/2004 3:58:27 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (Socialism Is the Enemy of Mankind, Democrats Its Traveling Salesmen)
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To: cripplecreek

There is absolutely no need to draft anybody's daughter. There are more than enough sons to "raise armies" enough for our constitutional requirements.


81 posted on 09/23/2004 7:04:52 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: ladtx

Yes, he certainly is full of it.

Having voluntary armed services means that all classes can volunteer for service. There is no discrimination. If a family works hard and they want to send their children to college and pursue non military careers, so be it. And thank G-- they have the opportunity and good fortune.

If, however, a family is in such dire straits that military service opens many doors for them, how can the Dims complain about that? I know plenty of people who were raised with very limited opportunities, who joined the military, and, as a result, THEY became fortunate enough to be able to allow their children to choose different careers.

These Dims act as though those who volunteer have no choice whatsoever. They also seem to think that joining = injury or death. We have been extremely fortunate in the limited numbers of both in our recent conflicts. We have also been extremely fortunate that we have had so few armed conflicts.

Doesn't this action of McDermott fly in the face of their mantra "you cannot simultaneously prepare for peace and for war"? Doesn't his signing, by their logic, doom us to attacks by our enemies by threatening them with this action.


82 posted on 09/23/2004 4:57:05 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: Enduring Freedom

Hoax alert! I suggest we start an email campaign to counter a phony email that is circulating. Anyone know how to acquire addresses? Perhaps intercept and 'reply all' to every one of these (phony) emails that happened to be forwarded?

The phony email warns that Bush is behind reinstating a draft. We all know it is a trick to fool the gulible and politically ignorant/brainwashed, especially those in college. Many college students have already received the bogus email. The email is just another political dirty trick that intends to scare them to the polls to vote against Bush by voting for Kerry.


83 posted on 09/27/2004 1:09:43 PM PDT by American Sovereignty Defender (I'm voting FOR Bush - before voting AGAINST Kerry)
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