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What if Israel Disappeared?
Insight ^ | October 8, 2004 | Michael Glueck

Posted on 10/08/2004 8:50:35 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: BIGLOOK
In fact I believe we are seriously overlooking Pakistan. Once Mushariff is assassinated, we don't know what fanatics will replace him. I think an arms race is beginning in this region. Japan-N Korea-China-India-Pakistan.

Europe would be paralyzed alright. In fear of offending their Moslem minorities they would hum and haw until it is too late. The days of the defenders of Vienna and Charles Martel are LOOOONG gone.

I have been learning how Eastern Christendom beared the brunt of Islam and how Western Christendom basically left them to the wolves. We even sacked Constantinople. The Greeks are surely entitled to whatever grievance they have against the Turks.
62 posted on 10/08/2004 10:30:33 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Some prophecy doesn't make sense to me either...but some claims stand right out...The reestablishment of Israel as a homeland and the regathering of Abraham's descendents to Israel(Jews are even now starting to leave the US taking their wealth with them...I was reading of jets being charterd to take American Jews over to Israel to live permanently).

The rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, in which a symbolic corner stone was recently attempted to be laid at the edge of the disputed mountain site.(Interestingly enough, Hebrew scholars there are arguing that there is no real scripture that says the third temple has to be rebuilt on the exact site where the Dome of the rock is now...just nearbye somewhere)

A push towards a one world religio/political system that in its very essence is an obscenity to God!

The rest everyone can argue about!


63 posted on 10/08/2004 10:33:07 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: Floyd R Turbo

How are they not Jews? Jacob was given Esau's blessing by Isaac. Esau stupidly sold his birthright on the cheap.

So they were blessed by God but it wasn't an easy bargain. They were punished severely when they failed to keep the covenant.

I think the point is God says numerous times that those that curse Israel will endure his wrath.


64 posted on 10/08/2004 10:35:22 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Lord Nelson
"I truly believe if we would have had that anti-semite Dean as President, or even Hilary, they would opt to stand by and feed Israel to its enemies."

You source a scenario that for now does not exist. So looking at current things in our country (as they are shaping up) what are your thoughts to the possible directions?
65 posted on 10/08/2004 10:35:46 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Floyd R Turbo

I've had this arguement before...God knows where all the descedents of Abraham thru the Jacobic line are...even Revelations names those who are sealed from each of the original tribes to do his special witnessing work...When it is time he will "Hiss for them" as it says in scripture.


66 posted on 10/08/2004 10:37:34 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: mdmathis6
I agree that some of it is easy to identify as a bookmark but I also think that from our perspective, it is easy to see current events as fulfilling prophecy. After all, there have been folks claiming that the world will end on any number of occasions.

For me the big worry is that if people think it's all over, we'll give up the fight to make this world a better, safer place. and if we're wrong, it's our children who pay.
67 posted on 10/08/2004 10:41:07 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Grey Ghost II

Scattered, but there.


68 posted on 10/08/2004 10:41:14 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Lord Nelson
I even heard some liberals blame the attacks on the Russian school on Israel.

They are no better than the Koranimals and liberals who believe 200,000 (or whatever the crazy number was) Jews all got paged on the morning of 9/11 just before "Bushitler", the CIA, Mossad, the global Zionist cabal, neo-Cons, aliens from alpha centauri etc conspired attack America, because errrmm, oh yeah, because we suported them.

Appeasers, or those who simply would like to learn more about Islamic injustice and the gender and religious apartheid it will enforce even on the liberal PC "hug a Muslim crowd", might also want to read some of the the writings of Bat Ye'or. "Islam and Dhimmitude. Where Civilizations Collide" would be a good start, or even just keeping up with some of her artilces at frontpagemag.com

69 posted on 10/08/2004 10:42:37 PM PDT by USF
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To: Lord Nelson

Floyd is being some-what anally correct. Jews are specifically from the tribe of Judah and were not scattered as were the 10 lost tribes. The Levites had no specific land but were the priests of Israel and the keepers of the temple. The "jews" that we know of today are the descendents of those who lived in Judea and were dispersed by the Romans to many parts of the world. Where the other 10 tribes went to is a mystery but God I'm sure knows!


70 posted on 10/08/2004 10:46:31 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: JSteff
Well, Dean is just an example of the mentality that is within the Democrat party. Hilary could very well become a reality - God forbid.

What are you asking? I think America is on a threshold. We either move unilaterally and abandon the UN and Europe, or we embrace them. If we embrace them America will be weakened. I am not convinced Bush is going to win. We have one debate and a few more Weeks to go. I think there may be recounts upon recounts. Even if Bush does win his Administration has one failing that prevents the war on terror from being won. We need to abandon Saudi Arabia as an ally. We need to call them on their human rights violations and their sponsoring of terror. I guess what I'm saying is that the near future is gonna get ugly. Al Queda is invading Iraq and Russia. There is no doubt in my mind more attacks are coming against Moscow. The US? Who knows.
71 posted on 10/08/2004 10:48:11 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: quidnunc
No more. Today, the destruction of Israel is only one item on a long Jihadi check-list. And it's vital to be clear about two things: IsraelÌs significance in this new situation and how, in the long run, Israel and the United States (and the civilized world) can triumph together.

Huh?

Israel and "palestine" were handed their birth certificates simultaneously. Israel began immediately to create; the arabs ignored the value and potential of their "country" and focused instead on preventing Israel from having theirs. One created, the other hated and focused on destruction. The contrast in spirit was clear from the beginning, and ignoring the elephant in the bathroom for 60 years won't change that clear and unambiguous fact.

Since the creation of the PLO, there was no longer an excuse for the charade, as the alice-in-wonderland other parallel universe began feeding, housing, enabling and encouraging the elephant in its murderous ways. It was then too much to expect the world not to notice. Forty years later it is beginning to dawn on even the most stupid members of humanity that the "palestinian" cockroaches have no more use for a country than feral rats do.

What if Israel disappeared? Evil will have triumphed in the most painful way possible. And the world and the concept of "humanity" would be substantially and perhaps permantly diminished.

72 posted on 10/08/2004 10:50:06 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Floyd R Turbo

How about the 10 northern tribes of Israel who were never Jewish, are they part of the blessing scenario?

To understand, a person has to be familiar with three significant events in the Old Testament: 1) Israel's division into two kingdoms ( or “houses”) after the death of King Solomon; 2) the exile of the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom and their subsequent scattering and assimilation among the Gentiles; and 3) the Prophets' declaration that these two houses would someday be re-united and restored as one kingdom.

Because the ten northern tribes (known in Scripture collectively as “Ephraim” or “Israel”) were scattered (primarilly by the Aseryians) and assimilated among the Gentiles through intermarriage, a large percentage of the world's population today has to have some Israelite ancestry. There is no way to prove or disprove who has Israelite ancestry and who does not, but that is not the point. The point is that there are, of necessity, a great number of Gentiles who do have some Israelite ancestry somewhere in their family tree. Tens of thousands of Israelites intermarrying with Gentiles thousands of years ago would result in millions of offspring over the centuries.

The Prophets said [Ezekiel - Chapter 37] that the House of Ephraim- the ten tribes who intermarried and lost their tribal identities- would eventually be re-united with the House of Judah. The Jewish people are obviously “the House of Judah,” and because the Church is composed primarily of Gentiles, some of whom have Israelite ancestry somewhere in their genealogy, the Church is presented as the obvious candidate for “the House of Ephraim” of end time prophecy. Two House theology asserts that the Prophets' declaration of the two houses being re-united will come about through Christians and Jews who will be joined together as “one new man”

The Two-House view asserts that this began happening in the days of the Apostles, and is finally coming to its full fruition in this generation as more and more Jews are embracing Yeshua (Jesus) as Messiah, and more and more Christians are embracing Torah...

http://www.i61m.com/teachings/written/twohousebotkin.htm


74 posted on 10/08/2004 10:51:26 PM PDT by Tucson_AZ
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To: mdmathis6

OK. So the Benjamites, the Danites, all those people no longer exist? Didn't they mix with the Gentiles in their region and become Samaritans? They were still under God's covenant as Judah was.


75 posted on 10/08/2004 10:52:44 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Noachian
If muslims ever took hold of Israel they'd destroy all of the advances made by the Israelis, and turn Israel back into a medieval desert.

Which reminds me of a couple of proud and thriving countries in Africa. Good intentions have turned them into cess pools once again. But what the hay... the savages are back in charge like the PC gods intended.

76 posted on 10/08/2004 10:54:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: quidnunc

That's a fine article - and an excellent overwiew of the Middle-East situation.


77 posted on 10/08/2004 10:56:23 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Chickamauga
Someone should move this thread to the Religion category. Such silliness seems almost appropriate there.

Amen, brother.

79 posted on 10/08/2004 10:57:54 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Christ said "occupy 'till I come".

Jonah tells the story of Nineveh of which God planned its destruction. After Jonah's whale of a tale...pardon the pun, his preaching induced the populace to repent of their sins, causing God to hold back his punishment.

The world doesn't have to go thru what the Bible says it will go thru...but it will if men continue to defy him!


80 posted on 10/08/2004 11:00:10 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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