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Australian Election
vanity | 9th October 2004 | naturalman1975

Posted on 10/09/2004 12:47:55 AM PDT by naturalman1975

I hesitate to suggest this, as I am fairly new around here, but I have noticed that there is quite a lot of interest in the Australian eleciton, so I thought I would make an offer here. I will be watching the election coverage and if people are interested, as the coverage proceeds, I can post updates in this thread, so people can follow what is happening in Australia.

Just an offer. Coverage starts in 15 minutes.

Oh and if any other Aussies want to post updates as well, of course, I wouldn't object. It's just I can see interest.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: australia; coalitionofwilling; elections; howard; johnhoward; napalminthemorning; parliament; wot
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To: naturalman1975

You lucky dog, It'll be November 3rd. before I get a good nights sleep....that is if the freakin' dems don't screw it up by trying to steal the election...


451 posted on 10/09/2004 7:11:52 AM PDT by processing please hold
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To: NZerFromHK

I think it was the Bali bombing...it's little noted, but as a % of population, Australia suffered a greater loss in the Bali bombing than the US did on 9/11


452 posted on 10/09/2004 7:21:03 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: naturalman1975; Dundee

G'day mates!

Thanks for giving us the great news from your country.

Thank you both for your service to your wonderful country and the cause of freedom around the world!

Naturalman1975, God bless your Father for his supreme sacrifice!


453 posted on 10/09/2004 7:59:54 AM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: naturalman1975
I was curious about the jobs situation in Australia, since the stories I read seemed to indicate people there were pretty happy with the economy. The September unemployment rate in Australia was 5.6% having been 5.9 % in September of 2003. In the U.S. the rate is now 5.4% and was 6.1% in September 2003. Funny how those numbers are considered excellent by Australians but lackluster by economists here (or a near disastrous, depression-like jobless recovery if you are part of the mainstream U.S. press).
454 posted on 10/09/2004 8:16:13 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Law is not justice but process

Another odd observation. The number of unemployed persons in Australia decreased by 3.4% since last September and Australians are thrilled. The number of unemployed in the U.S. decreased by a whopping 11% and we are in a near disastrous, depression-like jobless recovery, according to the left.


455 posted on 10/09/2004 8:28:00 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Dundee

Good on ya, mate. Congratulations on the Coalition's victory and PM Howard's re-election! Here's hoping it is a predictor for Nov. 2!


456 posted on 10/09/2004 10:48:55 AM PDT by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: naturalman1975

as eric cartman would say, KICKASS!!!!


457 posted on 10/09/2004 11:17:54 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: naturalman1975

Congrates for a great victory in Australia!

It is so glorious to read the DUers weepingover this! Guess Australia is off their places to visit. ;-)


458 posted on 10/09/2004 11:50:18 AM PDT by Simmy2.5 (Kerry served in Vietnam. Really. Just as the Swift Boat Vets.)
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To: naturalman1975

added commentary on the recent blow struck for liberty:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240141/posts


459 posted on 10/09/2004 12:28:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: naturalman1975

Thanks naturalman ~ most Americans are very interested in what goes on in Australia ~ you are one of our staunchest and strongest Allies in the war against Islamofascist terrorists!

~~ and besides, we speak the same language ~ sort of. :):)


460 posted on 10/09/2004 12:38:25 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: naturalman1975

This turned into a great play-by-play thread....I thank all who participated with the good info!!


461 posted on 10/09/2004 12:53:36 PM PDT by Uriah_lost
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To: Uriah_lost

Congrats to our Aussie friends for reelecting their PM and for backing us in the War on Terror....and for sending us Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman! (I won't even mention your leftie, anti-Iraq war novelist that just won the Nobel prize.)


462 posted on 10/09/2004 12:56:54 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: piasa

Arrrgh. Gotta quit staying up that late. That post made no sense. Should be "from Howard's opponent"


463 posted on 10/09/2004 1:07:01 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: GretchenM

Sorry for the late reply Gretchen...It is now the morning after and I am still stunned on how the government stormed in - a swing of 1.8% on the primary vote. One government pollster called the election for the PM 1 hour and 15 mintues after the polling booths closed!
I watched the returns coming in on the TV; hence I missed hopping online last night. I was too busy picking my jaw up off the floor!! LOL
I trust this victory here is a good omen for President Bush.
The thing I have learned is do not listen to the polls; the Labor party got it way, way wrong. It was actually quite stunning of how wrong they were!
But, boy, did I sleep soundly....


464 posted on 10/09/2004 1:38:14 PM PDT by ozbushkin (Aussie President Bush supporter)
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To: Dundee
IT'S OFFICAL!!! HOWARD WINS

Praise God! Wonderful news! Thanks so much to you Aussies for sticking with us through thick and thin and putting your lives on the line in many cases. We won't forget it. Now it's up to us to make sure we keep Kerry out of there!
465 posted on 10/09/2004 6:19:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (Abortion; Euthanasia; Fetal Stem Cell Research; Human Cloning; Homo Marriage - NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES)
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To: ozguy

Sorry that I didn't see your post until now. How about Singapore? It is part of the COW (althiugh a minor one, but considering it is surrounded by two anti-Iraq War SE Asia, and peopled with ethnic groups you wouldn't expect to be sympathetic to the war it was a courageous stand by Goh Cheok Tong and Lee Kwan Yew) and the PPP seems to go on forever over there. (Although I can't recall any election held in Singapore)


466 posted on 10/09/2004 10:26:32 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: mrsmel

Dang, Labor lost Sydney,if I heard correctly,I always imagined that Sydney would be really left-leaning? Could I have misunderstood that?

Surprisingly, Syndey is moderate in orientation - a bit like a cross between blue and red tate. Unlike Melbourne, Toronto, Montreal, or indeed most inner US metros, it doesn't turn out true leftists even when it elects Labor. I can't see how many US metros with population of 3 million or more that are this conervative.

I have an extract from Paddy McGuinness (from the SMH) about Sydney and Melbourne difference:

There is a harder edge, a tougher minded approach to many issues in Sydney compared with Melbourne. There you tend to get more of the politics of the warm inner glow, along with pretensions to intellectual, cultural and moral superiority. Typically, the Fabian Society - wishy-washy socialism for idealistic and ineffectual intellectuals - flourishes there while it never did in Sydney.

467 posted on 10/09/2004 10:58:42 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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To: mrsmel

Also I wrote this on another thread:

My guess in general is that New South Wales - which is the largest state - (including Sydney!) is moderately conservative Labor and conservative Liberal/National - even the Labor MPs (analogous to Representatives in the US) aren't the knee-jerk anti-Americans. By US standards it will be a cross between blue and red state.

Queensland and Western Australia are out and out red states (they are the 3rd and 4th largest states respectively). I'm not too sure about South Australia (with Adelaide as largest city and capital) though, but intitutively it isn't too liberal either and I would call it a moderate red state.

Now, the bad news. The second largest state, Victoria (including its capital and largest city, Melbourne, which is also Australia's second largest city), is a typical liberal big city in US standards. You can think of it as Ontario (and Melbourne as Toronto) in Australia. Tasmania (the sixth and smallest state) is out and out nutty left in the Washington state and British Columbia model - it is the most left-wing jurdisdiction in Australia. Both two states elect Labor candidates that would be considered liberals by US standards.

And we are left with two territories. Canberra (the Australian Capital Territory, a bit like Washington DC) elects the usual degrees-holding-professional-liberal/realpolitik-bureaucrats, and Northern Territory is schipozeric - the Europeans elect conservatives, while Aborginals elect "brownie activists" just like South Dakota in the US does.

Final words must be said about Australia's party spectrum. Labor is the main party on the left. Its Left faction is equal to Canada's Liberal Party and its Right truly moderates (its right is pro-US, and Mark Latham is currently using Paul Martin rhetoric for campaigns - but still he is considered too anti-US and he is losing support precisely because of his foreign policy stance). The main two parties on the Right, Liberal and National parties, are like urban-suburban and country versions of the US Republicans (except maybe they have more pork from time to time), etc. The Green party and Australian Democratic Party are the fringe-loony left parties in Australia. They are equal to Canada's New Democratic Party and Green Party but unlike Canada's NDP which gets 20% in the recent Canadian election, in Australia both combined gets around 4% of support. (A note of interest is Tasmania's share of votes for these two left-wing parties is similar to the figure for Canada's NDP nationally)

In short, Australia's political orientation is about 75 to the right of Canada and 25 to the left of the US.


468 posted on 10/09/2004 11:04:45 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Controversially right-wing by NZ standards: unashamedly pro-conservative-America)
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