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Chinese ancestors came from Red Sea area?
China Daily News ^ | Oct. 13, 2004 | China Daily News

Posted on 10/12/2004 11:39:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Amateur historian Su San has created an enormous controversy with claims of Chinese ancestors were from the Red Sea area and human civilization began in the Middle East and North Africa.

These two stunning conclusions have been put forward in two recently published books, and critics and readers have wasted no time in their attack.

"They call my books nonsense," says 40-year-old Su, a Henan Province native. "They just can't bear to think there's a Western ancestor for Chinese."

With a bachelor's degree on English literature and a master's degree on economics, Su previously worked for a foreign company and was also an English teacher.

Two years ago, she quit her managerial job to study history, but not at university, just on the Internet. She published book reviews and essays on cultural study Websites.

In her first book, "A Conjecture on Sanxingdui Civilization," she boldly concludes that the Sanxingdui ruins came from Red Sea civilization. Since excavation in 1929 in Sichuan Province, the Sanxingdui ruins has been the topic of hot debate because of antiques discovered there are exotic and unusual.

In her second book, "Toward the East," she traced the origin of Chinese civilization through the Old Testament of the Bible.

"The Bible is a serious record of a royal family, who colonized around the Earth with their wealth and wisdom," she says. "I believe Chinese ancestors were Semites, Israelis and from other Middle Eastern nations. The Chinese people's respect for chastity and the elderly originates from primitive Judaism."

She even found interesting relations between the earliest Chinese dynasties and the Bible.

According to her study, Hagar, wife of Abraham, established the Xia Dynasty (c. 21st century-16th century BC). His grandson Esau's offsprings built the Shang Dynasty (c. 16th century-11th century BC ), and the name of the Zhou Dynasty (c. 11th century-221 BC) originated from the word "Jew."

Su emphasizes she has more freedom than traditional Chinese archeologists and historians whom she claims work in a rigid style.

"I have a free mind and hate restrain," Su says. "I have no background in education on archeology or ancient cultural study. This allows me to think outside the traditional stereotype and discover the real origins of Chinese."

Su grew up in a small mountainous village near Luoyang of Henan Province, the ancient capital of the Zhou Dynasty.

"When I left my home to study English in a university in big city, life was such a big contrast," says Su. "I had many interests but my favorite was history. At university I often lay on the lawn to appreciate the night sky, which helped me built up my view of the world."

Her first book only took two months to complete.

"I studied the Websites of museums, institutes and online libraries. It's efficient and quick," she says.

But few experts agree with her claims.

"Until now most Sanxingdui antiques belonged to Chinese local civilization and mainstream experts believe Sanxingdui is still a Chinese civilization with only small foreign influences," says He Yun'ao, director of Cultural and Natural Relics Research Institute at Nanjing University.

He explains that most jade and pottery antiques discovered in Sanxingdui bear strong Chinese characters. But some bronze antiques are different from traditional Chinese civilizations from along the Yellow River.

"This probably shows the variety of Chinese civilizations, which are not only from along the Yellow River," He says. "In Sanxingdui, there's a road to India. But since there's no records for the area, archeology cannot answer the question. Gene analysis can tell the truth but until now no human remains have been unearthed there."

Professor Jiang Xiaoyuan, dean of the Human Studies Institute at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, says Su's study can be hard to swallow.

"Her opinions are radical and far from traditional research, which probably will be accepted after 100 years," says Jiang. "I agree with parts of her research about Sanxingdui."

But most Chinese historians are not even close to considering her research.

"She hasn't got a historical education but obviously she has done a lot of library work," comments Jiang. "Her books are far better than amateur nonsense. I suggest she send her articles to professional magazines such as 'Historical Study,' which will draw attention. I guess most experts won't even glance at her books."

Su's study may not be traditional but she says it is informed evidence-based research and a new way of thinking.

Just like the old Chinese saying, "throw out bricks to draw jades." "I wish my books were bricks, attracting experts' attention and finally discover genuine jade," she says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; china; chinese; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; redsea
Interesting. She does show some supporting evidence.

I think I've seen some other articles with similary theories about the Western Origin of the Chinese.

1 posted on 10/12/2004 11:39:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SunkenCiv


GGG PING

"They just can't bear to think there's a Western ancestor for Chinese."



2 posted on 10/12/2004 11:41:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion

In other news, a controversial Chinese archaeologist has been reported missing today. Communist government leaders refused to comment.



</sarcasm>


3 posted on 10/12/2004 11:45:30 PM PDT by Txopher
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To: FairOpinion

You go, girl.
"Most experts" can only remain that by keeping closed minds.


4 posted on 10/13/2004 12:34:05 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: FairOpinion
"They just can't bear to think there's a Western ancestor for Chinese."

Break it to them gently, we're all out of Africa...

5 posted on 10/13/2004 1:13:55 AM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Graymatter

out of africa...bah some ppl are from a far more primitive place...new jersey :D


6 posted on 10/13/2004 1:16:25 AM PDT by Casaubon (huh??)
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To: Casaubon

*sputter* Ahem! Yes, like Graymatter! :)


7 posted on 10/13/2004 8:06:04 AM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks F.O. I'd call this claim farfetched. I think the motivation is mostly that the Chinese have business interests in Sudan.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

8 posted on 10/13/2004 9:20:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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this gets the "aw, g'wan" award:
"I have a free mind and hate restrain," Su says. "I have no background in education on archeology or ancient cultural study."
but this doesn't:
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

Election 2004 threads on FR

9 posted on 10/13/2004 9:22:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: FairOpinion

"According to her study, Hagar, wife of Abraham, established the Xia Dynasty (c. 21st century-16th century BC). His grandson Esau's offsprings built the Shang Dynasty (c. 16th century-11th century BC ), and the name of the Zhou Dynasty (c. 11th century-221 BC) originated from the word "Jew."


Aluminum hat time.


10 posted on 10/13/2004 9:30:24 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: FairOpinion

Sounds like a Chinese version of Velikovsky. I wonder if she will catch as much grief from established Chinese archaeologists.


11 posted on 10/13/2004 9:49:29 AM PDT by Jonah Hex (Free Republic... Afflicting the Media Since 1998)
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To: ZULU; FairOpinion

If thatt's how the Chinese came into being, then what about the Indians? Did they come form China?


12 posted on 10/16/2004 2:17:56 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: FairOpinion
I think I've seen some other articles with similary theories about the Western Origin of the Chinese.

This is interesting.

Ancient Alphabet

13 posted on 10/18/2004 9:02:07 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (Kerry is scary)
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To: blam

What say you sir?


14 posted on 10/18/2004 9:10:05 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: FairOpinion
"I studied the Websites of museums, institutes and online libraries. It's efficient and quick," she says.

Some disciplines such as linguistics have unreservedly adopted the Internet. Scientists have been using the Internet [or something like it] for decades without even waiting for Algore to invent it. It is a powerful tool for exponentially speeding up the growth of knowledge, but those on FR already know that.

15 posted on 10/18/2004 9:20:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Also interesting - the righteous of Abraham was that he believed when Yahwey told him his seed would be scattered to the corners of the earth and all the nations would be blessed by his blood. The best part is He also said "I will shake all of the nations so that the treasures of the nations (believers) will flow in; and I will fill this house (Jerusalem) with glory. Haggai 2:6 (paraphrased)
16 posted on 10/18/2004 9:24:49 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: ASA Vet
"What say you sir?"

Read my comment in post #9 on this thread.

17 posted on 10/18/2004 5:32:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: patriot_wes
"Also interesting - the righteous of Abraham was that he believed when Yahwey told him his seed would be scattered to the corners of the earth and all the nations would be blessed by his blood. The best part is He also said "I will shake all of the nations so that the treasures of the nations (believers) will flow in; and I will fill this house (Jerusalem) with glory. Haggai 2:6 (paraphrased)"

I'm not very religious but I think there is mention of wise men from the east in the Bible too. Yes - No?

18 posted on 10/18/2004 5:34:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: CarrotAndStick

"If thatt's how the Chinese came into being, then what about the Indians? Did they come form China?"


No, Sitting Bull hales from India... (slinks away) LOL


19 posted on 10/18/2004 5:37:28 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: FairOpinion; ASA Vet
Dr Steven Oppenheimer, in his book, Eden In The East makes a compelling case that the refugees from Sundaland (South East Asia) were the settlers of the Middle East and probably were the original Sumerians.

Dr Robert Schoch, in his book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, makes the case that these same refugees spread their pyramid building custom all over the world.

20 posted on 10/18/2004 5:52:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: CarrotAndStick
"If thatt's how the Chinese came into being, then what about the Indians? Did they come form China?

The American Indians/Native Americans as we know them today did not arrive into the Americas in sizeable numbers until about 6,000 years ago. Previous to their arrival 6,000 years ago, there were people from another racial group here.

21 posted on 10/18/2004 5:56:44 PM PDT by blam
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22 posted on 09/15/2013 9:15:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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