Skip to comments.CHENEY SIS JUMPS INTO LESBIAN FRAY
Posted on 10/17/2004 2:24:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
October 17, 2004 -- Add Mary Cheney's sister's name to a growing list of Cheney family members angry with Sen. John Kerry for bringing up Mary and her sexuality at last week's debate in Tempe, Ariz. Appearing on "Good Morning America" alongside first-daughter hopeful Vanessa Kerry, Liz Cheney a married mother of four said an apology from the Democratic nominee "would be appropriate."
But Kerry's daughter defended her dad's comments and noted that Mary Cheney's sexual preference is a matter of record.
"My father's point was the concept was celebrating a strong family," the younger Kerry said, adding that his comments echoed what Sen. John Edwards said to Cheney himself at the vice-presidential debate. "But when you choose to be part of a campaign, you choose to make yourself public."
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What an unfortunate headline.
What does being part of a campaign have to do with someone waving your sexuality around like a bloody flag?
...as I posted on another thread...
It's about free will. God gave us free will, Kerry trod all over that in Mary Cheney's case. If she had wanted the issue made public, on a worldwide stage, it was her choice to do so, not Mr. Kerry's and not Mr. Edwards'. This is why the right to privacy was placed in our Bill of Rights, and considered as so important by the Founding Fathers of this nation. If God gave us free will, we have no right to mess with any person's free will...or privacy... in such a fashion. John-John not only violated her God-given rights, they violated her Constituional rights.
The crassnes of the act of doing such a thing is very telling on it's own. It reveals the characters of the candidates and of their politics. Those politics apparently care little for other's privacy, nor for The Constituion.
The Kerry's continue to prove themselves to be dire lowlifes.
This has noting to do with them, this has everything to do with Kerry's character.
Kerry stepped on a private citizen for power.
Kerry stepped on Vietnam vets for power.
Kerry can not be allowed to have power.
It has been statements like that about Ms. Cheney that gets Mr. Bush to lookin' at him funny. My mouth dropped open more than a few times when I was watching the debates.
What Kerry says and does is so often wrong on so many levels that it's hard to know where to begin!
Kerry never met a lie he couldn't speak.
Kerry never met a truth he couldn't spin.
"Cheney Sis Jumps Into Lesbian Fray"
When I first saw headline, I read the last word as Faye Wrey. Remembering her agent promised her "the tallest, darkest movie star in all Hollywood".
In related news, Senator John Kerry has decided the use the FreeRepublic spelling of his name sKerry. In a surprise announcment, citing low poll numbers, Senator sKerry has dumped John Edwards as his running mate, and tapped Presidential brother Neil Bush as his running mate, reminiscent of Ronald Reagan.
Can anyone make a bumper sticker of this ticket?
do you REALLY think that was an accident?
No. The "strong family" came up when he was trying to cover his tracks.
. . . adding that his comments echoed what Sen. John Edwards said to Cheney himself at the vice-presidential debate.
And this makes it better HOW?
"But when you choose to be part of a campaign, you choose to make yourself public."
Does this mean that every high school kid or housewife stuffing envelopes for a candidate becomes "fair game" too?
The minute you become a public figure, you give up those rights. Forever. After that, you're at the tender mercy of the press and political opposition.
Amendment four and amendment nine...in my opinion...
"secure in their persons"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
and "denying or disparaging" other rights to be retained...
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Clause 1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Not being a constitutional scholar, this is just my opinion.
I must have missed that one. Which one was it?
And here is the young Miss Kerry displaying some of those strong family values that her father taught her.
William Sidis Versus The New Yorker magazine. He was a child prodigy who was interviewed when a youngster. As a grown man, he was "interviewed" without his consent, sued the magazine and lost the case.
Sidis vs. F-R Pub. Corp
Federal Reporter, 1941, #113, 807-811
I stand by what I said. You don't give up these rights. They are taken from you.
If you're a celebrity, you have willingly given up the right to reasonable privacy in exchange for being a celebrity. If you're Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts, this can be a drag. However, if you're just a guy walking around leading his/her life, then you have every right to expect your privacy and should fight to maintain it.
I assume you're speaking in terms of practice, especially under current American caselaw. Lots of things are quite wrong, even if perfectly legal.
Well, it's still my opinion. It's still my thinkin' on the matter. I still have the right to that.
By the use of Supreme Court Justice's decisions as a precedent fer things, I reckon abortion is ok... Constitutionally speakin', that is...outlawin' hard currency... just all sorts of interestin' things to think about here...
You've helped to take a lookit things in a way I hadn't really looked hard at before. I thank ya fer that. Real interestin' stuff...
Yeah, that's just the legal angle. It's upheld every so often when a celeb gets upset about images in the press.
And yes, a lot of things are wrong and legal at the same time. Particularly wrong is the burden of celebrity that falls on the children of the rich/powerful/famous etc.
Check out William Sidis' life story. There are a couple of websites devoted to it. Fascinating stuff.
Also, a photog for a tabloid once told me, "That at any given time there are fewer than 200 people whose images can sell magazines or newspapers." I found it to be a fascinating statement.
Apart from the fact that he was bringing up her "gayness," though, is the sheer effrontery of saying of someone he doesn't seem to know personally "If you asked Dick Cheney's daughter . . . she would tell you . . . ." IMO, if you were crude enough to ask, she would probably (and rightly) tell you to mind your own business.
O.K. - try this on for size Kerry girls. Your father had his marriage to your mother annulled - after you were born. So that makes you basically "born out of wedlock" and as such deserve the label of "bastards". Shall we talk about that on national TV? How does that label "make you feel" girls? Is your family "ashamed" of you? Are you "ashamed" of yourself?
Putting the obvious horrors aside, the white BVDs were a real fashion faux pas.
Look, I live in NYC. I have a lot of gay friends, business associates, etc. If I presumed to speak for any of them - say while out having a drink, much less in a public forum, they'd drag me over the coals without mercy. Likewise, it is considered the height of bad taste to ask someone if they're gay. It really is a personal matter.
The fact that some gay people are applauding Kerry has nothing to do with their personal feelings on the subject and everything to do with their partisan feelings about politics.
That picture is an old paparazzi trick. They open the flash all the way and set a particular exposure. People in Hollywood have learned to counter it via various methods. Without the camera's flash, that dress would appear opaque.
She should've countered it with a bra, then...;))
Must be the Kerry daughter who wore the see-through dress without underwear?
I believe that actresses walking the red carpet have either flesh toned prosthetics and/or there's a material that is sewn into the lining of the dress.
Has Christopher Reeve called Kerry since he died?--to tell him he has to vote absentee?
If she had underwear on, as most of us women do as well as a more opaque material UNDER the organza, crepe, or whatever that dress material was, then it wouldn't matter what "setting" the flash was on the camera. Her breasts, nipples and other parts of her anatomy wouldn't be hanging around for the "camera trick" to be successful.
She doesn't have that good a body in the first place, and whoever made the dress could also get a dose of decency.
Trying to see who can be the most depraved seems to be the tagline of the entire Democrat group.
sKerry should be ashamed for his multiple positions on the topic of when SEX and who is doing it with whom is important. When Clinton was entertaining Lewinsky more often than he was meeting with the CIA, all the Dems claimed it was "personal" what he did with his sex life, no matter that it was inside the Oval office. Now it is "fair game" to attack Mary Cheney, who is working behind the scenes on her Dad's campaign.
The candidates of the Demorat party are both worms. Neither belongs in any position of power. Certainly not in the USA. WE DESERVE BETTER.
What saddens me most is what is considered "fair game" these days. But I may just be old and "out of it."
A lot of sheer garments have flesh-toned thin "sheaths" sewn into them to give the illusion of transparency without the possibility of "over exposure".
It's very commmon with lace, as well.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. But the entire women's fashion industry strikes me as a monumental scam, so I can see even expensive designers skimping on a lining.
Anyway, it's been really pleasant chatting with you all. I have to get back to work. Thanks!
I shop at Wal*Mart so "fashion" is a bit of a moot point with me.....:))
Have a good one!
pitiful breasts and horrid horse face isn't over the top then is it Vanessa?
How about the Edwards parading their young children around as props?
Is this the Kerry daughter that runs around in see-through clothing, and/or the one that has had an abortion?
"THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN"
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004
What it has to do with, is trying to tie a homosexual person to every non-homosexual in the country, to blackmail non-homosexuals emotionally into turning their backs on sexual morality in order to protect the homosexual person in the family -- and the family.
It's well known, for example, that social conservatism found its first strong articulation in the speeches of Barry Goldwater, when he ran for president in 1964, particularly from one speech he gave about three months before the nominating convention in the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Later on, one of Barry's family "came out", whereafter he took a libertarian stand on homosexuality, modifying his views to protect a family member. He did the same thing on abortion, because one of the women in his immediate family had had one. Late in life, his views on both subjects became very well known because of the activities of liberal (gay) polemicists.
A precis article on Goldwater's views was published by U.S. News & World Report in 1998:
U.S. News & World Report
June 8, 1998
SECTION: U.S. NEWS; Pg. 12
HEADLINE: Mr. Right
BYLINE: By Michael J. Gerson; Mike Tharp
Barry Goldwater created, yet stood apart from, modern conservatism
....It was during the 1980s and 1990s that Goldwater developed a reputation for apostasy. He defended legal abortion and homosexual rights and criticized the religious right, famously arguing that Jerry Falwell deserved "a swift kick in the ass." Some conservatives felt betrayed, while liberals applauded. But many of his oldest associates discerned no change at all, seeing a culmination of the frontier libertarianism on which he was raised--a visceral opposition to government's poaching beyond the fence of privacy. Charles Lichenstein, the research director for his presidential campaign, summarizes the Goldwater philosophy vividly: "If I want to go to hell, I want to go to hell in my own way." Goldwater's views were never religiously rooted, and his resentment of moralism was based, in part, on family experience. His first wife helped found Planned Parenthood in Arizona. His daughter had an illegal abortion in the mid-1950s. A grandson is gay and HIV-positive. "I know for a fact," says Lichenstein, "that his views against outlawing abortion were exactly the same in '64 as in the '70s and '80s. But it wasn't an issue then."...
Gays have been expressing an acute interest in using Mary Cheney in precisely this way, to attack the Cheneys and the Bush Administration on issues of interest to gay NGO's ever since Cheney became the likely vice-presidential nominee. Here is an excerpt from a gay e-zine article that ran in 2000; bad guys' names are bolded:
One gay Republican who's certainly inside is vice-presidential nominee Dick Cheney's daughter Mary.
She attended the convention and appeared on stage with the candidates' families following Bush's acceptance speech the final evening. It was not immediately clear if her life partner, Heather Poe, was present. Mary Cheney declined all requests for interviews.
On the convention's final day, there were a smattering of unconfirmed reports that Mary Cheney will formally join the Cheney campaign staff.
"We understand they [Dick and Mary Cheney] love each other very much," said Human Rights Campaign (HRC) spokesman David Smith. "She often times goes on trips with him and they're very close. Both her parents have known that she's gay since the early 90s. She lives with her partner and I understand her and her partner go over to the home quite often, they get along as a family. The parents are comfortable with it and so is she.
"The crux of it is, it's going to focus attention on Bush's anti- gay policy positions, and Cheney is going to look quite mean if he comes out and says: 'Yeah, I support a law that bans my daughter from adopting a child. I don't support a law that would protect my daughter from discrimination,'" Smith said.
HRC Executive Director Elizabeth Birch added: "Mary Cheney is a bright and articulate woman. She is highly impressive. The issue will be whether she is locked away in a vault in terms of her public-policy positions that are well-known."
Until recently, Cheney worked for the Coors brewery as the head of its gay and lesbian outreach efforts. "I talked to her," Birch said. "I told her we wanted to be supportive and that I felt that merely directing all inquiries to the campaign was not going to work for very long because this is a radar-jamming moment where with someone with a record like Dick Cheney's, it is remarkable and interesting that he has such a dynamic [euphemism for "gay"] daughter. She cut her teeth on advocating for gay Americans as consumers. She's a quasi-public figure. The press will want to write about that."
Dick Cheney's record on gay issues includes supporting the military gay ban and voting against the Hate Crimes Statistics Act in 1988 as a congressman. George W. Bush is on record opposing job protections for gay people and gay adoption. He scuttled hate-crime legislation in Texas and has vowed to abolish the position of White House liaison to the gay community.
In an interview with journalist Cokie Roberts, Dick Cheney's wife, Lynne, seemingly attempted to shove Mary back in the closet. When Roberts said Mary is an open lesbian, Lynne shot back: "Mary has never declared such a thing. I would like to say that I'm appalled at the media interest in one of my daughters. I have two wonderful daughters. I love them very much. They are bright; they are hard-working; they are decent. And I simply am not going to talk about their personal lives. And I'm surprised, Cokie, that even you would want to bring it up on this program."
But Mary has declared such a thing, repeatedly. For instance, she told Girlfriends magazine, "The reason I came to work here [at Coors] is because I knew several other lesbians who were very happy here."
Strategist [Mary] Matalin acknowledged Mary Cheney's sexual orientation and told this reporter: "Mary Cheney knows how to speak knowledgeably, reasonably, calmly and confidently on gay issues and [she] has. I hope she does. I don't know what her demands for privacy will be." [Emphasis added]
Source: "DID THE GOP REACH OUT TO GAYS?", by Rex Wockner [story originally filed Aug. 5, 2000], published online by The Wockner Wire column at 365Gay.com.
Archive link: http://members.aol.com/wockner/gop.html
The significance of this excerpt is to show the propaganda interest of the Human Rights Campaign in particular (the Log Cabin Republicans have recently distanced themselves from the HRC on "outing" Mary Cheney for political mileage), that it goes back four years, and the reference by slugtrail generator Elizabeth Birch to "jamming".
"Jamming" is a term also used by homosexual archpropagandists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen (the pseudonymous "Erastes Pill") in "Overhauling Straight America", the Washington, DC Guide article that they later rewrote into After the Ball. "Jamming" refers to a specific propaganda technique of great value, the purpose of which is (utterly without reference to merit or truth) to make people defensive, uncertain, and nervous about their moral values and opinions. It's a form of moral and emotional blackmail that feeds back negative judgments of the targets' own self-worth, based on their opinions -- in order to induce them to jettison their opinions. "Jamming" has nothing to do with "the truth", but is an open, polemical attack on a person or persons that is comparable to mugging rather than to honest discussion or debate. And it is right at the top of Elizabeth Birch's agenda.