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United Methodists Call for Accountable Leadership (Petition for B/C to repent)
http://theymustrepent.com/ ^

Posted on 10/22/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by hipaatwo

Who are we? We are United Methodists bringing a letter of complaint against United Methodist Church members George W. Bush and Richard "Dick" Cheney for their chargeable offenses of crime, immorality, disobedience to the order and discipline of The United Methodist Church (UMC), and dissemination of doctrine contrary to the established standards of doctrine of The UMC. We are calling for accountability and repentance from these two members for their sinful behavior. This specific letter of complaint originates from two United Methodist members, Rev. Courtney Ball and Josh Steward, from the Iowa Annual Conference, but we are encouraging anyone who reads the letter below and agrees with it to sign their name to the letter as well. When the letter has had time to circulate and gain signatures, it will be presented to the various recipients listed on the letter in order that they may investigate the claims and push for a resolution to the complaint.

Our hope: Our hope is that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (respondents) will recognize the sinfulness of their actions, sincerely repent for what they have done, and move on to change their ways. Although we recognize the improbability of that outcome, we believe that with God all things are possible.

If, however, they do not repent sincerely, immediately, and publicly for their chargeable offenses, we believe that the respondents should have their membership revoked from The United Methodist Church until such time that they see the error of their ways and wish to return.

Why are we doing this? We are taking this action as Christians who are desperate to hold two of our own accountable. We, as United Methodists, understand that it is our duty to support and encourage our members and our leaders, and we have been doing so faithfully through prayers and petitions. But enough is enough. The guidance of our bishops and our church-members has been ignored by the respondents for too long. Too many people have died or suffered from the sins of these two men. Now it is time for them to answer for their actions with repentance, to turn back and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, or to be judged for not doing so.

Read and Sign the Letter: Read the letter of complaint, and if you are a member of the United Methodist Church, add your name to the list of signatures. The more signatures we get, the clearer the message is that we will not stand for two of our own perpetrating these crimes against humanity


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: umc

1 posted on 10/22/2004 10:56:20 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

Sighs


2 posted on 10/22/2004 10:57:09 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

I stopped going to church 27 years ago. Methodist church, if I recall.


3 posted on 10/22/2004 10:58:29 PM PDT by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com>Maggot</a>)
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To: hipaatwo

Barf Alert...Go elect a woman or gay as minister and leave us alone.


4 posted on 10/22/2004 10:58:32 PM PDT by DSBull (Leather Belts, with Liberal logic everywhere they are keeping my head from exploding)
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To: hipaatwo

When Methodists try to act like Catholics it just comes out all wrong somehow.


5 posted on 10/22/2004 10:58:47 PM PDT by cinnathepoet (Directly, I am going to Caesar's funeral)
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To: hipaatwo
Hubris
6 posted on 10/22/2004 10:58:53 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

just evil filling there hearts


7 posted on 10/22/2004 11:01:33 PM PDT by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: Gibtx

Say, isn't the United Methodist Church one of the principal funders and supporters of The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (= Abortion Rights)?

http://www.rcrc.org/about/members/index.htm

After promoting the murder of 40 million unborn babies, they're calling on Bush and Cheney to repent????

That takes brass bells (in your belfry), heh?


8 posted on 10/22/2004 11:05:44 PM PDT by TaxachusettsMan (Mainstream Media Incest: Why walk across the street when you can walk across the studio?)
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To: hipaatwo

What do they claim their "sins" are?
This is so lame.


9 posted on 10/22/2004 11:06:06 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: TaxachusettsMan

unbelievable


10 posted on 10/22/2004 11:06:30 PM PDT by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: Gibtx

i wonder if this is a 527 doing the methodist church .... this just sounds so out of character for them...


11 posted on 10/22/2004 11:07:32 PM PDT by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: hipaatwo

Hypocrisy ALERT!


12 posted on 10/22/2004 11:12:27 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: hipaatwo

I don't get it, these 2 guys out of the whole conference are going to call out Bush/Cheney. Who are they? Nobody I bet (or k-wad staffers). Do they expect this to be shattering or scathing? Is this the best they can do to try to counter the Catholics (like me) who despise k-wad and are supporting Bush?


13 posted on 10/22/2004 11:15:03 PM PDT by Heinz 57 (Yes I'm Mixed Breed but not mixed up. I am all AMERICAN and proud of it. God, I love this country)
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To: hipaatwo

If you'd like to respond to them, here's their email address:

info@theymustrepent.com


14 posted on 10/22/2004 11:22:57 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: hipaatwo
Fortunately, the actual "Letter of Complaint" is the standard Michael Moore-type bunk. This is merely a group of Christians who can't understand the real issues nor the truth behind what's happened (they claim the president misled us on the war, attacked a sovereign country, etc.--what was said was as true as humanly knowable (and Saddam broke the ceasefire agreement many times before) and Iraq was never sovereign after the ceasefire from the first war because they were subjugated under US and UN terms).

I do believe Christians need to hold other Christians accountable to Scripture; however, these points are not valid in that light.
15 posted on 10/22/2004 11:24:21 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: hipaatwo

What are their "sins"?


16 posted on 10/22/2004 11:27:20 PM PDT by no dems (NICE GUYS FINISH LAST. GET RADICAL !!!)
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To: hipaatwo
We are United Methodists bringing a letter of complaint against United Methodist Church members George W. Bush and Richard "Dick" Cheney for their chargeable offenses of crime, immorality, disobedience to the order and discipline of The United Methodist Church (UMC), and dissemination of doctrine contrary to the established standards of doctrine of The UMC.
The church I joined as a youth had nothing bad to say about the sort of middle of the road politics of John F. Kennedy, which is who George W. Bush most resembles.

If the church has moved to the political left along with the Democratic Party since then, I recognize no obligation to follow it there. Leftism is simply saying whatever will make you feel superior to the people who actually are expert in the problem you are discussing and therefore understand that simply saying a magic formula will not solve the world's problems overnight.


17 posted on 10/22/2004 11:28:07 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: hipaatwo
Why President Bush attends a Methodist church is beyond me. They will suck the spiritual life out of faster than you can say "Dracula". Please President Bush, ask Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell to recommend a church for you to attend.
18 posted on 10/22/2004 11:33:45 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
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I wrote the following letter to them:

Dear UMC,

Why did I find your organization on a pro-abortion website and a pro-homosexual website? Do you even read the REAL Bible? Both are condemned by God Almighty, you may or may not know Him, but He created you and everyone in your congregation, and believe it or not.....THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!! Do you know what that means. HE gets to make the rules, and YOU people must obey them or pay the consequences for YOUR disobedience. YOU must obey the 10 Commandments (they are not the 10 suggestions), and YOU must remember that He is not just a God of Love, but a Righteous and Holy God, a Jealous God who demands that YOU worship HIM and HIM ALONE!!! Did you heretics know that? So I think you should, as Jesus said, "Remove the logs in YOUR OWN EYES FIRST, so that you can see clearly when removing the sliver in President Bush's and Vice President Cheney's eyes. Did you also know that women according to the Bible are not suppose be Pastors or Reverends and the like in any Christian Church? You should confess to God Almighty if you have done this also. And because God Almighty considers homosexuality an abomination, He also abhors homosexual marriages or unions, and therefore any homosexual unions and marriages performed by any Christian minister or in any Christian Church is an abomination also. Did you know that? WELL, you know it now, so it's time for your church to repent of your total disobedience to God's Word, Laws, Statutes, and Covenants.

Yours Sincerely,


19 posted on 10/22/2004 11:34:54 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: no dems

I'm lost on this, I'm Jewish. But I don't see what either one of them need to repent for. The petition confused the hell out of me because I see the two of them acting within their faith.


20 posted on 10/22/2004 11:35:02 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

This is an embarrassment. Especially if you're a Methodist...and I am. I've always been proud to share the same denomination as the President. Unfortumately, their statement is not a surprise to me because people in nat'l leadership positions have been trending left for quite awhile now. How can we let them know they don't speak for us??


21 posted on 10/22/2004 11:37:12 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

In my faith we have women Rabbi's now. Creeps me out big time.


22 posted on 10/22/2004 11:37:19 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: sam_whiskey

I really don't know. I grew up in a houseful of left Dem's. After Sept. 11th and seeing the ilk that has come out of the Dem party and the liberal Jews I know, I don't understand it either.


23 posted on 10/22/2004 11:39:25 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: elizabetty
Here's their letter of complaint. They're opposed to the war in Iraq and want Bush and Cheney to stop acting in our national interest.
24 posted on 10/22/2004 11:51:26 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: no dems

see 24


25 posted on 10/22/2004 11:52:25 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: hipaatwo
Who are we?

Well you are a bunch of mentally ill sKerry supporting Dimorats. You evidently don't have clue if your supporting sKerry. I saw this from some black ministers doing the same thing. Your petition is just another immature made up Dimmorat plan that will not work. I don't think your going to get many sane people to sign your shitty petition. I used to go to the United Methodist Church until they started supporting thing out side the bible. nuf said!
26 posted on 10/22/2004 11:52:26 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Bushworld)
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To: hipaatwo

I think Bush/Cheney are acting in their faith as well, genuinely. I wonder who these two are? Are they supposed to be "heavy hitters" in their church? I think this is just a feeble attempt for them to say that there are "fellow" Methodists who are opposed to Bush.


27 posted on 10/22/2004 11:53:50 PM PDT by Heinz 57 (Yes I'm Mixed Breed but not mixed up. I am all AMERICAN and proud of it. God, I love this country)
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To: hipaatwo
LOL!Probably the same idiots who are trying to boost gay membership.

What diseased souls they are.

Too bad this crap always reflects badly on the UMC. The vast majority would likely lock these maroons out of the church on Sunday.

28 posted on 10/22/2004 11:58:55 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: hipaatwo
Mildly amusing coming from people belonging to a denomination that doesn't generally recognize a sin when it sees one: most clear choices between good and evil are "deeply personal decisions." Not, of course, when you're guilty of the sin of being a conservative. Then you get out the old Methodist sermons ("the preacher was opposed to fornicating, because he believed that it might lead to dancing.")

Check out the official web page, and see if you can find any reference to sin anywhere in there.

And of course, let the flaming of Fred begin...

29 posted on 10/23/2004 12:13:08 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: hipaatwo

What's the Bible say about "baring false witness against others"?


30 posted on 10/23/2004 12:38:17 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: MarkeyD

This is NOT an official UMC site..Some nitwits wrote the letter and I haved an idea the dems picked it up and ran with it..They didn't even get Bush's church right if I read the site correctly..


31 posted on 10/23/2004 12:53:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: hipaatwo

So far less than 700 signatures?..My one church is larger..Good Grief.


32 posted on 10/23/2004 12:55:36 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: hipaatwo
Whoa! This takes my breath away. A denomination that backed the ainti war movement in the 1970's that ordained feminists as priests in the 1980's and that has ordained homosexuals as ministers in 2000 and they are talking about sins that George Bush and Dick Cheney have commited.

The sect was founded by John and Charles Wesley in the 1700's in their day they danced shouted and poeple spoke in other tongues in their meetings -- by 1840 they were so backslidden in England that when William Booth the founder of the salvation army (1869) preached in their churches he was expelled for shouting and daring to wave a hankerchief to make a point in a message.

In the 1970's they joined with the world council of churches -- I wrote extensevely about that in two posts early last summer -- The denomination was taken over by radicals at about the same time that the democratic party was taken over.

33 posted on 10/23/2004 12:58:07 AM PDT by Rocketman
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To: elizabetty

The sinners are the united methodist church members. They must be smoking crack to have made such an outrageous statement. These fools remind me of the mindless liberal preacher in the movie, "ZULU." I would also presume they are having their delusional kerry moment. Bush/Cheney 2004


34 posted on 10/23/2004 12:58:35 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: hipaatwo

Jesus said " He that is without sin , cast the first stone "
Hey ? ministers ? ARE YOU WITHOUT SIN ? GET YOUR OWN HOME IN RIGHT ORDER BEFORE YOU EXPECT BUSH AND CHENEY TO REPENT !!!


35 posted on 10/23/2004 1:12:25 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ScottM1968

These are the people who go around proclaiming to others that they are a christian. My first thought would be why are you telling me? Are they insecure in what they portray? A real christian doesn't have to go around in a religious fervor thumping the good book. One will be identified by their good works and not frantic verbal self- expression. "Deeds Not Words" Bush/Cheney 2004 Let's Roll!!


36 posted on 10/23/2004 1:13:33 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: hipaatwo

Six Words in Response: Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Deo Gloria.

I can repeat them again if somehow these 'Methodists' don't get it.


37 posted on 10/23/2004 1:15:06 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: hipaatwo

2 words: Free Methodist


38 posted on 10/23/2004 1:16:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: sam_whiskey

Maybe thirty pieces of silver from the kerry kooks have greased some palms. As Abe said, better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. These are just some radicals and does not reflect on all methodists.Bush/Cheney 2004


39 posted on 10/23/2004 1:19:44 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's fair. However, I think this is a great reason to go nondenominational. Go back to the Bible rather than constructs of man and hierarchical leadership that enforces corruption from the top down at some point.

Independent churches, as with the home churches in Acts, are the most stable and faithful way to go. Keep the accountability local but allow honest Christians from anywhere to encourage what is right.
40 posted on 10/23/2004 1:21:29 AM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968

UMC churches vary in their strict biblical allegiance, as well. I visited one in Jackson, Mississippi that, except for the characteristic Arminian theological bent of Methodism, could have passed for its Southern Baptist brethren.


41 posted on 10/23/2004 1:26:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: hipaatwo
To the UMC ,, Ichabod ( you know what that mean ? ) it means ( THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED , or in other words, THE GLORY OF GOD HAS DEPARTED ).
To the UMC ??? Have you noticed ? your church membership has been going down hill, mostly by the young people ( because, mostly young people can stop a PHONY when they see one ).
To the UMC ??? SO ? I guess ? your going to condemn GOD himself ? because ? GOD HIMSELF COMMANDED MANY OF ISRAELS ARMYS TO GO OUT TO WAR, and GOD COMMANDED KING DAVID MANY TIMES TO GO OUT TO WAR, SO ? ARE YOU GOING TO ORDER GOD ? TO REPENT ? YOU PHONYS.
YOUR WHITE WASHED SEPLICHERS ( TOMBS ) WITH DEAD MEN BONES ON THE INSIDE. PHARISYS YOU ARE. HYPOCRISY YOU SPILL OUT OF YOUR FOUL MOUTHS. JESUS ( GOD IN THE FLESH ) HAS MORE GRACE AND COMMPASSION FOR THE FOUL SINNER, then a PHARISY HYPOCRITS YOU ARE. YOU UMC ARE MORE IN TROBLE OF HELL FIRE IN GODS EYES,, THEN THE DRUNKHARD IN THE STREET.
42 posted on 10/23/2004 1:27:50 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

opps.. I meant in my passed posting ( young people can spot and see a phony when they see one ).


43 posted on 10/23/2004 1:31:21 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: hipaatwo
This so disappoints. My circuit riding, grim faced Methodist Preacher antecedants would burn these people at the stake.

"Come, let us reason together, though thy sins be as scarlet"

Regards,

44 posted on 10/23/2004 4:54:36 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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