Let go of the 'One Ring' (ORC Alert!)

Jerusalem Post ^ | Oct. 26, 2004 | Lloyd Green aka Wormtongue

[Alouette]

Here is a copy of the letter that I sent to the Jerusalem Post after reading this op-ed:

As someone who is very familiar with the Tolkien Trilogy, I very kindly suggest that Lloyd Green go back and reread every single one of the books and view the motion picture a few more times.

His analogies are so false and distorted that he makes an argument in favor of handing over "The One Ring" to Sauron, because he is the true owner, having forged it in the first place.

Does Lloyd Green recognize these words:

"These are the terms," said the Messenger, and smiled as he eyed them one by one. "The rabble of the Zionist Entity and its deluded allies shall withdraw at once to the 1949 Armistice lines, first taking oaths never again to assail any nation of the Arab League in arms, open or secret. All lands East of the Jordan Valley, called by the Zionists 'Shomron' and 'Judea' shall be Muslim forever, solely. West of the Jordan Valley as far as the Mediterranean and the port of Eilat and the town of Sderot shall be tributary to the Palestinians, and Jews and Christians there shall bear no weapons, but shall have leave to govern their own affairs after paying the jizya that is due to the Muslims from all infidels. But they shall help to rebuild Ramallah which they have wantonly destroyed, and that shall be Al Qaeda's, and there his lieutenant shall dwell; not Arafat, but one more worthy of his trust."

Looking in the Messenger's eyes they read his thought. He was to be that lieutenant, and gathered all that remained of Israel under his sway; he would be their tyrant and they his slaves.

These are the words spoken by the Mouth of Sauron in Chapter 10 of Return of the King. It also sounds very suspiciously like Lloyd Green's "peace plan" but if he actually understood the author of the trilogy and the message it was intended to convey, he insists on giving the One Ring to Sauron and allow only orcs to dwell in Gondor and Ithilien.

Lloyd Green has made it clear in his essay that he considers The Bible to be the equivalent of the "Ring of Power" and that Jews must throw away their religion and give away their G-D-promised land to enemies who have sworn to destroy them utterly.

J.R.R. Tolkien, a devout Christian and an admirer of the Jewish people, would not have been pleased with Lloyd Green's distorted and twisted analogy of his work.

[Alouette]

I ask all FReepers to pray for the safety of my son in the IDF, who is on duty in the Jordan Valley.

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[tiamat]

Your son stays in my prayers, Alouette!

[OldFriend]

First, prayers for your son and his brethren.

I remember when settlers were encoured to make those areas their homes. Now Israel is telling them......whoops, sorry, we changed our mind.

These people were exploited for gain and now are being discarded. I understand their fury.

[Alouette]

Please ping your Tolkien list. The Jerusalem Post" (editors@jpost.com) need to be set straight.

This is a Warrior of Gondor:

[ecurbh]

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[StoneColdGOP]

Great letter.

Every time I read over the Mouth of Sauron's "terms for peace" it sounds like so many real-world surrenders.

[Pastnowfuturealpha]

From the post: "the Third Temple "

One of the seven signs


I think when leaders listen to too many voices - some being the ones who would destory them - the trouble starts and continues to grow -

Outsiders are outsiders - when you start treating them as one of the many - and give weight to their voice - destruction can't be far behind - No matter which "nation" is involved -

in my opinion -

[tuckrdout]

The "one ring" represents "sin". It is disgusting that this writer equates "one Israel" with the "one ring". Filth!

The LORD rebuke him.

[nosofar]

Voices from Teheran to the European Union to The New York Times op-ed pages have called, not for the military annihilation of Israel but for the creation of a single, binational state.

One way or another, Israel will be destroyed. This is the goal.

[Alouette]

Here is the "Feedback" page for the Jerusalem Post

[Buggman]

Your answer was spot-on, and brilliantly composed! Please put me on your ping list.

[Esther Ruth]

"The LORD rebuke him." That is right.

He sounds like the serpent in Genesis 3 twisting the very Words of G-d to confuse Eve as to what was intended.

[wideawake]

The author equates Eretz Yisrael with a talisman forged by a demon.

That demonstrates the exiguousness of his mental powers.

[Radix]

"Outsiders are outsiders - when you start treating them as one of the many - and give weight to their voice - destruction can't be far behind - No matter which "nation" is involved -"

You might consider re-reading  Ezekiel 47:22

I have no time or sympathy with terrorists or those who would support them. I am a staunch supporter of Israel and I have been  for a very long time. Actually from just about the time that I was able to reason for myself. I have seen what terrorists have done to innocents. That here in America, globally, to Israelis and Jews everywhere, but most horribly in the case of the so-called Palestinians in their own neighborhoods and to their very own friends, families, and supporters. They have kept their own in misery for generations because of their backwardness. Son's of Amelek? I  suppose.

In my opinion, the Israelis should have done more than simply piss on the walls of the chambers adjacent to the office of that murderous pig Arafat.  They should have taken him out  with all of his goons. Palestinians will continue to suffer for as long as they allow thugs and criminals to speak for them.

God help us if John Kerry ever gets into the Oval Office because he will sell Israel out as soon as the last Inaugural Ball is over. Indeed the Democrat Party is full of ORCS!

[Pastnowfuturealpha]

No thanks -

[Alkhin]

His terms mean tyranny and theft. Excellent analysis, Alouette. Reading what he proposed gave me shudders.

[Zionist Conspirator]

J.R.R. Tolkien, a devout Christian and an admirer of the Jewish people, would not have been pleased with Lloyd Green's distorted and twisted analogy of his work.

I am glad to learn this. From his enthusiasm for pre-chr*stian, pagan mythology (mostly Nordic) and his assertion in the appendices to The Return of the King that there was no language similar to Hebrew in Middle Earth I suspected him of being one of those "civilizationist" types who seem to carry a virus against `Am Yisra'el deep down in their system. Plus, I once had a RP game based on The Lord of the Rings (which I never played, since it was so complicated) whose description of Gollum struck me as being exactly that of the Jewish people given my anti-Semites. At any rate, I rejoice at a rightwing Catholic who admired the Jewish People. Would there were more! (Though I must express puzzlement as to why Tolkien and Lewis get free passes for their fantasies while that genre falls under a general condemnation by religious conservatives.)

Okay, I've confessed my "sinful thoughts" and repented, so please no piling on my by Tolkien fanatics. I've read the books too (even the Silmarillion).

PS: The Torah is to reality what Tolkien's mythology is to "middle earth."

[Alouette]

there was no language similar to Hebrew in Middle Earth

Actually he didn't say that. What he did say was that there were no "hobbit names" derived from Hebrew. He uses the "im" plural form very frequently in his various languages.

Much of Lord of the Rings is derived from the same sources that Wagner used to compose his opera cycle Das Ring Der Nibelungen. Howard Shore's movie score, while not at all Wagnerian, makes use of the leitmotif theme for each character, a signature of Wagner.